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| Dash Air Compressor [message #132640] |
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Bill W
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Still working on the dash air in the '77 Royale. I'm progressing toward installing Duracool, but first need to determine if the compressor is OK. If not, my mechanic says to don't bother with a remanufactured unit, new is the only way to go. The Napa reman unit ($159 w/o clutch) has a 24 month warranty; a new one from Discount AC Parts ($345 with clutch) only 1 year. Any bad experiences with the remanufactured? Thanks guys!
Hoping I won't need one anyway...
Bill
Bill Wetzel
77 Royale 26RB
Sheboygan, WI
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| Re: Dash Air Compressor [message #132643 is a reply to message #132640] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 16:54  |
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| bpwetzel wrote on Wed, 29 June 2011 14:35 |
Still working on the dash air in the '77 Royale. I'm progressing toward installing Duracool, but first need to determine if the compressor is OK. If not, my mechanic says to don't bother with a remanufactured unit, new is the only way to go. The Napa reman unit ($159 w/o clutch) has a 24 month warranty; a new one from Discount AC Parts ($345 with clutch) only 1 year. Any bad experiences with the remanufactured? Thanks guys!
Hoping I won't need one anyway...
Bill
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That's a big difference in price. I've heard the same thing from my mechanic friend about not bothering with a reman. but I have also heard, from my parts guy, that Nippondenso rebuilds are virtually new. The only thing they don't replace is the case. If you can get one of those from NAPA , Car Quest, or the like, it will probably be fine.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132644 is a reply to message #132643] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 16:57 |
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Or, you can buy one from Jim Kanomata at Appliedgmc.com. He stands behind his parts.
Emery Stora
On Jun 29, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
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> bpwetzel wrote on Wed, 29 June 2011 14:35
>> Still working on the dash air in the '77 Royale. I'm progressing toward installing Duracool, but first need to determine if the compressor is OK. If not, my mechanic says to don't bother with a remanufactured unit, new is the only way to go. The Napa reman unit ($159 w/o clutch) has a 24 month warranty; a new one from Discount AC Parts ($345 with clutch) only 1 year. Any bad experiences with the remanufactured? Thanks guys!
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>> Hoping I won't need one anyway...
>> Bill
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> That's a big difference in price. I've heard the same thing from my mechanic friend about not bothering with a reman. but I have also heard, from my parts guy, that Nippondenso rebuilds are virtually new. The only thing they don't replace is the case. If you can get one of those from NAPA , Car Quest, or the like, it will probably be fine.
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> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132655 is a reply to message #132644] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 18:16 |
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The following comment has NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH to do with
JimK (who is a VERY close friend of mine) or any other
supplier of GMC Motorhome parts. The issue for me is NOT
that someone (some company) stands behind their product with
good warranty support. It is more to do with the frustration
of installing a re-man'd part only to have it fail in
warranty and having to do the repair again. All of our time
has some value. I do not like do-overs, when I install a
replacement part, I expect it to last. I would MUCH rather
spend a little more (ok, maybe more than a little more) on a
NEW part from a reputable manufacturer than a rebuilt part
that was rebuilt in the YouFlungDung repair factory in
(insert name of you least favorite country here!).
I have been burned too many times on rebuilt parts and will
only install new whenever I have the chance.
My $.02 worth.
On 6/29/2011 2:57 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> Or, you can buy one from Jim Kanomata at Appliedgmc.com. He stands behind his parts.
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> Emery Stora
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> On Jun 29, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132657 is a reply to message #132655] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 18:22 |
emerystora
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Well, I guess sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I put in a NAPA rebuilt that cost $95 back in August 1999 (yes, 12 years ago!) and it is still working quite well.
Emery Stora
My $95 worth.
On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Terry Taylor wrote:
> The following comment has NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH to do with
> JimK (who is a VERY close friend of mine) or any other
> supplier of GMC Motorhome parts. The issue for me is NOT
> that someone (some company) stands behind their product with
> good warranty support. It is more to do with the frustration
> of installing a re-man'd part only to have it fail in
> warranty and having to do the repair again. All of our time
> has some value. I do not like do-overs, when I install a
> replacement part, I expect it to last. I would MUCH rather
> spend a little more (ok, maybe more than a little more) on a
> NEW part from a reputable manufacturer than a rebuilt part
> that was rebuilt in the YouFlungDung repair factory in
> (insert name of you least favorite country here!).
>
> I have been burned too many times on rebuilt parts and will
> only install new whenever I have the chance.
>
> My $.02 worth.
>
>
>
> On 6/29/2011 2:57 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
>> Or, you can buy one from Jim Kanomata at Appliedgmc.com. He stands behind his parts.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>>
>> On Jun 29, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132659 is a reply to message #132657] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 18:55 |
James Hupy
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Terry, New is just that, untested. A well seasoned core, remanufactured to
OEM specs, and sometimes upfitted with improvements, is almost always as
good, if not better, than offshore Too Dumn Chung new stuff. There is the
term rebuilt, which sometimes is nothing more than a flush and new seals,
cheap bearings, and some rattle can paint. And then there is remanufactured
to OEM specs. Big difference in performance and durability. That is where
the vendor comes in. I have dealt with both East and West Jims. Both stand
behind their products and when it comes, all you do is bolt it in place and
go have fun with your GMC. Your experience may vary.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 4:22 PM, Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com> wrote:
> Well, I guess sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I put in a NAPA
> rebuilt that cost $95 back in August 1999 (yes, 12 years ago!) and it is
> still working quite well.
>
> Emery Stora
>
> My $95 worth.
>
> On Jun 29, 2011, at 5:16 PM, Terry Taylor wrote:
>
> > The following comment has NOTHING, NADA, ZILCH to do with
> > JimK (who is a VERY close friend of mine) or any other
> > supplier of GMC Motorhome parts. The issue for me is NOT
> > that someone (some company) stands behind their product with
> > good warranty support. It is more to do with the frustration
> > of installing a re-man'd part only to have it fail in
> > warranty and having to do the repair again. All of our time
> > has some value. I do not like do-overs, when I install a
> > replacement part, I expect it to last. I would MUCH rather
> > spend a little more (ok, maybe more than a little more) on a
> > NEW part from a reputable manufacturer than a rebuilt part
> > that was rebuilt in the YouFlungDung repair factory in
> > (insert name of you least favorite country here!).
> >
> > I have been burned too many times on rebuilt parts and will
> > only install new whenever I have the chance.
> >
> > My $.02 worth.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 6/29/2011 2:57 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> >> Or, you can buy one from Jim Kanomata at Appliedgmc.com. He stands
> behind his parts.
> >>
> >> Emery Stora
> >>
> >> On Jun 29, 2011, at 3:54 PM, Carl Stouffer wrote:
> >>
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> Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132660 is a reply to message #132657] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 19:08 |
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Emery,
As the old adage goes "you pays your money and you takes your chances!"
With JimK your odds improve, eh? ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor
Well, I guess sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. I put in a NAPA
rebuilt that cost $95 back in August 1999 (yes, 12 years ago!) and it is
still working quite well.
Emery Stora
My $95 worth.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132662 is a reply to message #132659] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 19:22 |
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I beg to differ on one point, nearly all NEW parts from
reputable manufacturers are TESTED prior to shipment. I have
been burned too many times on rebuilt/remanufactured parts
and have had VERY few (one or two) failures on new parts
(and they were both immediate, not 6 months ( or 3 years)
down the road.
On 6/29/2011 4:55 PM, James Hupy wrote:
> Terry, New is just that, untested. A well seasoned core, remanufactured to
> OEM specs, and sometimes upfitted with improvements, is almost always as
> good, if not better, than offshore Too Dumn Chung new stuff. There is the
> term rebuilt, which sometimes is nothing more than a flush and new seals,
> cheap bearings, and some rattle can paint. And then there is remanufactured
> to OEM specs. Big difference in performance and durability. That is where
> the vendor comes in. I have dealt with both East and West Jims. Both stand
> behind their products and when it comes, all you do is bolt it in place and
> go have fun with your GMC. Your experience may vary.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 GMC Royale 403
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132663 is a reply to message #132660] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 19:23 |
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Then there is the old saying, "If you want nice clean, fresh
oats, you have to pay the price. If you are willing to buy
them after they have been through the horse, they are
somewhat cheaper".
On 6/29/2011 5:08 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> Emery,
>
> As the old adage goes "you pays your money and you takes your chances!"
>
> With JimK your odds improve, eh? ;-)
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132665 is a reply to message #132663] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 19:32 |
James Hupy
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Someday, someday, I will learn to take my own advice. Always be cautious
about getting into a war of words with those who buy ink by the
barrel.<Grin>
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:23 PM, Terry Taylor <n6mon@pacbell.net> wrote:
> Then there is the old saying, "If you want nice clean, fresh
> oats, you have to pay the price. If you are willing to buy
> them after they have been through the horse, they are
> somewhat cheaper".
>
> On 6/29/2011 5:08 PM, Rob Mueller wrote:
> > Emery,
> >
> > As the old adage goes "you pays your money and you takes your chances!"
> >
> > With JimK your odds improve, eh? ;-)
> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132669 is a reply to message #132640] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 19:52 |
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Bill,
If your problem is the compressor and it's related to the front seal or clutch my recent experience is that those can be replaced by a novice shade tree mechanic. (I don't know how well, but I know what I've done so far!)
This weekend I hope to charge up the beast with 3 cans of Duracool after I button it up to see if my fix actually worked. I have high hopes that changing the ceramic seal with a dual lip seal will do the trick. If it doesn't then I'm in the same boat as you - new compressor or Sanden replacement.
Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine
1976(ish) Palm Beach
Without A/C right now, but then who needs it when it rains in June. In frigging California. Rain. In June. What is this, Seattle?
My trusted mechanic who used to be in the A/C and Radiator business before that dried up (Cat's Automotive - known to some) said the same thing as your mechanic. Stay away from the rebuilds.
On Jun 29, 2011, at 2:35 PM, Bill Wetzel wrote:
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> Still working on the dash air in the '77 Royale. I'm progressing toward installing Duracool, but first need to determine if the compressor is OK. If not, my mechanic says to don't bother with a remanufactured unit, new is the only way to go. The Napa reman unit ($159 w/o clutch) has a 24 month warranty; a new one from Discount AC Parts ($345 with clutch) only 1 year. Any bad experiences with the remanufactured? Thanks guys!
>
> Hoping I won't need one anyway...
> Bill
> --
> Bill Wetzel
> 77 Royale 26RB
> Sheboygan, WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132675 is a reply to message #132669] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 20:20 |
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Larry,
I have a vacuum pump. if you want to borrow it.
tt
On 6/29/2011 5:52 PM, Larry Davick wrote:
> Bill,
>
> If your problem is the compressor and it's related to the front seal or clutch my recent experience is that those can be replaced by a novice shade tree mechanic. (I don't know how well, but I know what I've done so far!)
>
> This weekend I hope to charge up the beast with 3 cans of Duracool after I button it up to see if my fix actually worked. I have high hopes that changing the ceramic seal with a dual lip seal will do the trick. If it doesn't then I'm in the same boat as you - new compressor or Sanden replacement.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132682 is a reply to message #132640] |
Wed, 29 June 2011 20:45 |
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I don't believe over the years I've evr bought a new compressor... rebuilds have worked fine. Never bought a GM compressor though. Mazda, Toyota, Datsun, Mopar, old Mopar, ARA aftermarket. Bought the last one - foa 626 Mazda - off a Net outfit. They required replacing receiver/dryer and expansion valve to warrant it, but even with those it was less than AutoZone. Filled it full of new oil and R134 and ran it four yrars/140K miles till the trans disintegrated.
--johnny
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From: Bill Wetzel <billandpatwetzel@gmail.com>
Subject: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 9:35 PM
Still working on the dash air in the '77 Royale. I'm progressing toward installing Duracool, but first need to determine if the compressor is OK. If not, my mechanic says to don't bother with a remanufactured unit, new is the only way to go. The Napa reman unit ($159 w/o clutch) has a 24 month warranty; a new one from Discount AC Parts ($345 with clutch) only 1 year. Any bad experiences with the remanufactured? Thanks guys!
Hoping I won't need one anyway...
Bill
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77 Royale 26RB
Sheboygan, WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132710 is a reply to message #132675] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 00:05 |
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Thanks, Terry - I've got a Harbor Freight one that really exercises my compressor, but seems to work well. I'll pull her down for a while to make sure it's not an expensive sieve.
Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine
On Jun 29, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Terry Taylor wrote:
> Larry,
> I have a vacuum pump. if you want to borrow it.
> tt
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> On 6/29/2011 5:52 PM, Larry Davick wrote:
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132714 is a reply to message #132662] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 01:06 |
jimk
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I believe you cannot purchase new compessors.
Correct me if I am" wong" , I love to say" that "Red China people
sould stick to cooking"
New parts made there under US names also taste like egg foo youg.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Terry Taylor <n6mon@pacbell.net> wrote:
> I beg to differ on one point, nearly all NEW parts from
> reputable manufacturers are TESTED prior to shipment. I have
> been burned too many times on rebuilt/remanufactured parts
> and have had VERY few (one or two) failures on new parts
> (and they were both immediate, not 6 months ( or 3 years)
> down the road.
>
>
> On 6/29/2011 4:55 PM, James Hupy wrote:
>> Terry, New is just that, untested. A well seasoned core, remanufactured to
>> OEM specs, and sometimes upfitted with improvements, is almost always as
>> good, if not better, than offshore Too Dumn Chung new stuff. There is the
>> term rebuilt, which sometimes is nothing more than a flush and new seals,
>> cheap bearings, and some rattle can paint. And then there is remanufactured
>> to OEM specs. Big difference in performance and durability. That is where
>> the vendor comes in. I have dealt with both East and West Jims. Both stand
>> behind their products and when it comes, all you do is bolt it in place and
>> go have fun with your GMC. Your experience may vary.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, OR
>> 78 GMC Royale 403
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor [message #132739 is a reply to message #132731] |
Thu, 30 June 2011 08:14 |
Jim Bounds
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Agreed, do not scremp on materials. I used to use Delco reman AC compressors--
they cost more but I felt having the Dlco reman sticker would give me at least a
better QC if not a better all around unit. Found out recently that Delco has
farmed out their reman process to 4 seasons-- really crappy stuff so not buying
"Delco" does not mean what it used to to me. I switched to "Boach" reman
compressors. The first couple really looked and worked well and in that they
cost more than bout anything else available I am using the idea that "more cost
should mean a better part" I am hoping still rings true. What I do,
Jim Bounds
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Sent: Thu, June 30, 2011 8:33:53 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Dash Air Compressor
n6mon wrote on Wed, 29 June 2011 19:16
> <>The issue for me is NOT that someone (some company) stands behind their
>product with good warranty support. It is more to do with the frustration of
>installing a re-man'd part only to have it fail in warranty and having to do the
>repair again.<>
The same thing goes for materials. Do not scrimp; it takes just as long to
install crappy materials as it does to use the very best.
"all my possessions for a moment in time" QE Ist
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1973 26 foot Glacier, White Thing
Raleigh NC
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