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| Re: [GMCnet] Enviro-Safe [message #276571 is a reply to message #129601] |
Thu, 23 April 2015 18:33   |
Mr ERFisher
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So
How's it going emery?
On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Emery Stora wrote:
> I think there has been some misreading of this somewhere along the line.
> If one is just discharging a system that has R12 or r134a and you still
> have a small amount of residual pressure in the system then is is not
> necessary to use a vacuum pump. However if you are replacing a seal, a
> receiver / driver or s compressor or hose, or other component where the
> system has been exposed to the outside air and water vapor then I feel it
> is absolutely necessary to completely evacuate the system.
>
> Emery Stora
> 77 Kingsley
> Frederick, CO
>
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:46 PM, John Fredrikson > wrote:
>>
>> I think best practice is to pull a vacuum on your system before adding
> the coolant. Envirosafe (and I think Duracool) says that you don't need to
> pull
>> a vacuum to use their product. I'm not sure of the the down side to
> skipping the vacuum, but I'm planning to vacuum my system when I replace
> the front
>> seal.
>>
>> John
>>
>> Keith V wrote on Thu, 23 April 2015 17:16
>>> Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 22 April 2015 19:04
>>>> Well, I have a question about the 'do NOT pull a vacuum' which I take
> to mean fill the system with whatever ambient air and moisture is in it
>>>> at the time. Is this stuff sufficiently hygroscopic that you won't
> end up freezing the expansion valve? What's the benefit of not pulling the
>>>> system down?
>>>>
>>>> --johnny
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm pretty sure "don't pull a vacuum' Means don't suck out your old
> refrigerant.
>>> If your system has been open, I am really really sure you need to pull
> a vacuum!
>>>
>>> If for no other reason than air does not cool....
>>
>>
>> --
>> John Fredrikson
>> Fayetteville, GA
>> 1978 Eleganza
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| [GMCnet] Home from Hospital [message #276576 is a reply to message #276571] |
Thu, 23 April 2015 18:53 |
emerystora
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I just got home an hour ago.
The doctor gave me a choice of going home tonight or tomorrow morning.
The first surgery went well. The doctor told me it wouldn't do any good for the lower back or leg pain. That should be taken care of in the next surgery in three weeks on the two lowest veterbrea where the nerve to the legs is being pinched. Meanwhile I have to wear a back brace and pretty much remain in bed for three weeks.
Good thing I have my iPhone to keep me company.
Hope everything is going well for all you GMCers.
The next operation I'll be in the hospital for an estimated four days.
Meanwhile I can't do much on my GMC as I'll be in a brace for six months, can't lift over 8 pounds can't twist or bend my back.
That shoots the summer.
Emery Stora
> On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:33 PM, gene Fisher wrote:
>
> So
> How's it going emery?
>
>
>> On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Emery Stora wrote:
>>
>> I think there has been some misreading of this somewhere along the line.
>> If one is just discharging a system that has R12 or r134a and you still
>> have a small amount of residual pressure in the system then is is not
>> necessary to use a vacuum pump. However if you are replacing a seal, a
>> receiver / driver or s compressor or hose, or other component where the
>> system has been exposed to the outside air and water vapor then I feel it
>> is absolutely necessary to completely evacuate the system.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:46 PM, John Fredrikson >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I think best practice is to pull a vacuum on your system before adding
>> the coolant. Envirosafe (and I think Duracool) says that you don't need to
>> pull
>>> a vacuum to use their product. I'm not sure of the the down side to
>> skipping the vacuum, but I'm planning to vacuum my system when I replace
>> the front
>>> seal.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Keith V wrote on Thu, 23 April 2015 17:16
>>>> Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 22 April 2015 19:04
>>>> > Well, I have a question about the 'do NOT pull a vacuum' which I take
>> to mean fill the system with whatever ambient air and moisture is in it
>>>> > at the time. Is this stuff sufficiently hygroscopic that you won't
>> end up freezing the expansion valve? What's the benefit of not pulling the
>>>> > system down?
>>>> >
>>>> > --johnny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure "don't pull a vacuum' Means don't suck out your old
>> refrigerant.
>>>> If your system has been open, I am really really sure you need to pull
>> a vacuum!
>>>>
>>>> If for no other reason than air does not cool....
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Fredrikson
>>> Fayetteville, GA
>>> 1978 Eleganza
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| Re: [GMCnet] Home from Hospital [message #276579 is a reply to message #276576] |
Thu, 23 April 2015 19:01 |
Ken Henderson
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Emory,
Congratulations on overcoming the first procedure well. We're all hoping
the others will go as well. Keep us posted.
Thinking of you every day,
Ken H.
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 7:53 PM, Emery Stora wrote:
> I just got home an hour ago.
>
> The doctor gave me a choice of going home tonight or tomorrow morning.
>
> The first surgery went well. The doctor told me it wouldn't do any good
> for the lower back or leg pain. That should be taken care of in the next
> surgery in three weeks on the two lowest veterbrea where the nerve to the
> legs is being pinched. Meanwhile I have to wear a back brace and pretty
> much remain in bed for three weeks.
>
> Good thing I have my iPhone to keep me company.
>
> Hope everything is going well for all you GMCers.
>
> The next operation I'll be in the hospital for an estimated four days.
>
> Meanwhile I can't do much on my GMC as I'll be in a brace for six months,
> can't lift over 8 pounds can't twist or bend my back.
>
> That shoots the summer.
>
> Emery Stora
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Home from Hospital [message #276580 is a reply to message #276576] |
Thu, 23 April 2015 19:18 |
George Beckman
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emerystora wrote on Thu, 23 April 2015 16:53I just got home an hour ago.
The doctor gave me a choice of going home tonight or tomorrow morning.
The first surgery went well. The doctor told me it wouldn't do any good for the lower back or leg pain. That should be taken care of in the next surgery in three weeks on the two lowest veterbrea where the nerve to the legs is being pinched. Meanwhile I have to wear a back brace and pretty much remain in bed for three weeks.
Meanwhile I can't do much on my GMC as I'll be in a brace for six months, can't lift over 8 pounds can't twist or bend my back.
Good news that the surgery went well. You are on our prayer list.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] Home from Hospital [message #276581 is a reply to message #276576] |
Thu, 23 April 2015 19:12 |
Len Novak
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Good to hear from you and good progress!
Len and Pat Novak
1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Fallbrook, CA new email: B52Rule@Roadrunner.Com
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www.bdub.net/novak/
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From: Gmclist [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Emery Stora
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 4:53 PM
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Subject: [GMCnet] Home from Hospital
I just got home an hour ago.
The doctor gave me a choice of going home tonight or tomorrow morning.
The first surgery went well. The doctor told me it wouldn't do any good for the lower back or leg pain. That should be taken care of in the next surgery in three weeks on the two lowest veterbrea where the nerve to the legs is being pinched. Meanwhile I have to wear a back brace and pretty much remain in bed for three weeks.
Good thing I have my iPhone to keep me company.
Hope everything is going well for all you GMCers.
The next operation I'll be in the hospital for an estimated four days.
Meanwhile I can't do much on my GMC as I'll be in a brace for six months, can't lift over 8 pounds can't twist or bend my back.
That shoots the summer.
Emery Stora
> On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:33 PM, gene Fisher wrote:
>
> So
> How's it going emery?
>
>
>> On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Emery Stora wrote:
>>
>> I think there has been some misreading of this somewhere along the line.
>> If one is just discharging a system that has R12 or r134a and you
>> still have a small amount of residual pressure in the system then is
>> is not necessary to use a vacuum pump. However if you are replacing a
>> seal, a receiver / driver or s compressor or hose, or other component
>> where the system has been exposed to the outside air and water vapor
>> then I feel it is absolutely necessary to completely evacuate the system.
>>
>> Emery Stora
>> 77 Kingsley
>> Frederick, CO
>>
>>>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:46 PM, John Fredrikson >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I think best practice is to pull a vacuum on your system before
>>> adding
>> the coolant. Envirosafe (and I think Duracool) says that you don't
>> need to pull
>>> a vacuum to use their product. I'm not sure of the the down side to
>> skipping the vacuum, but I'm planning to vacuum my system when I
>> replace the front
>>> seal.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> Keith V wrote on Thu, 23 April 2015 17:16
>>>> Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 22 April 2015 19:04
>>>> > Well, I have a question about the 'do NOT pull a vacuum' which I
>>>> > take
>> to mean fill the system with whatever ambient air and moisture is in
>> it
>>>> > at the time. Is this stuff sufficiently hygroscopic that you
>>>> > won't
>> end up freezing the expansion valve? What's the benefit of not
>> pulling the
>>>> > system down?
>>>> >
>>>> > --johnny
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm pretty sure "don't pull a vacuum' Means don't suck out your old
>> refrigerant.
>>>> If your system has been open, I am really really sure you need to
>>>> pull
>> a vacuum!
>>>>
>>>> If for no other reason than air does not cool....
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> John Fredrikson
>>> Fayetteville, GA
>>> 1978 Eleganza
>>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Home from Hospital [message #276593 is a reply to message #276576] |
Thu, 23 April 2015 22:17 |
Sandra Price
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Glad today's surgery went well, Emery. Enjoy your rest and keep us
updated. All the best for the next procedure.
Sandra and Bob
On Apr 23, 2015 6:53 PM, "Emery Stora" wrote:
> I just got home an hour ago.
>
> The doctor gave me a choice of going home tonight or tomorrow morning.
>
> The first surgery went well. The doctor told me it wouldn't do any good
> for the lower back or leg pain. That should be taken care of in the next
> surgery in three weeks on the two lowest veterbrea where the nerve to the
> legs is being pinched. Meanwhile I have to wear a back brace and pretty
> much remain in bed for three weeks.
>
> Good thing I have my iPhone to keep me company.
>
> Hope everything is going well for all you GMCers.
>
> The next operation I'll be in the hospital for an estimated four days.
>
> Meanwhile I can't do much on my GMC as I'll be in a brace for six months,
> can't lift over 8 pounds can't twist or bend my back.
>
> That shoots the summer.
>
> Emery Stora
>
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 5:33 PM, gene Fisher wrote:
>>
>> So
>> How's it going emery?
>>
>>
>>> On Thursday, April 23, 2015, Emery Stora wrote:
>>>
>>> I think there has been some misreading of this somewhere along the line.
>>> If one is just discharging a system that has R12 or r134a and you still
>>> have a small amount of residual pressure in the system then is is not
>>> necessary to use a vacuum pump. However if you are replacing a seal, a
>>> receiver / driver or s compressor or hose, or other component where the
>>> system has been exposed to the outside air and water vapor then I feel
> it
>>> is absolutely necessary to completely evacuate the system.
>>>
>>> Emery Stora
>>> 77 Kingsley
>>> Frederick, CO
>>>
>>>> > On Apr 23, 2015, at 3:46 PM, John Fredrikson >>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think best practice is to pull a vacuum on your system before adding
>>> the coolant. Envirosafe (and I think Duracool) says that you don't need
> to
>>> pull
>>>> a vacuum to use their product. I'm not sure of the the down side to
>>> skipping the vacuum, but I'm planning to vacuum my system when I replace
>>> the front
>>>> seal.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> Keith V wrote on Thu, 23 April 2015 17:16
>>>> > Johnny Bridges wrote on Wed, 22 April 2015 19:04
>>>> >> Well, I have a question about the 'do NOT pull a vacuum' which I take
>>> to mean fill the system with whatever ambient air and moisture is in it
>>>> >> at the time. Is this stuff sufficiently hygroscopic that you won't
>>> end up freezing the expansion valve? What's the benefit of not pulling
> the
>>>> >> system down?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --johnny
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm pretty sure "don't pull a vacuum' Means don't suck out your old
>>> refrigerant.
>>>> > If your system has been open, I am really really sure you need to pull
>>> a vacuum!
>>>> >
>>>> > If for no other reason than air does not cool....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> John Fredrikson
>>>> Fayetteville, GA
>>>> 1978 Eleganza
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
>>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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>> “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>> -------
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>> Alternator Protection Cable
>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
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