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Goin shoppin tomorrow,,,, connectors for my Powermaster, need a cover. Don't want the juce to spash out. Lookin for a wiper motor. AND lookin for a VSS and a buffer,,,,,I have all the info in my notes as to what vehicles but not where the buffer "thingy" is located. Firewall,,,fender,,under the dash???? Do tell,,,,,,,thanks ,,,,PL
Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip [message #128491 is a reply to message #128490] Fri, 03 June 2011 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Paul,

Take a ratchet, 18" extension and a 10mm flex socket. Lean over
the air cleaner and reach down behind.
That's all I know, never did see where he was reaching.

Gary Kosier

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Subject: [GMCnet] Mall trip


>
>
> Goin shoppin tomorrow,,,, connectors for my Powermaster, need a
> cover. Don't want the juce to spash out. Lookin for a wiper
> motor. AND lookin for a VSS and a buffer,,,,,I have all the
> info in my notes as to what vehicles but not where the buffer
> "thingy" is located. Firewall,,,fender,,under the dash???? Do
> tell,,,,,,,thanks ,,,,PL
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Re: Mall trip [message #128539 is a reply to message #128490] Fri, 03 June 2011 20:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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g.winger wrote on Fri, 03 June 2011 11:53

... lookin for a VSS and a buffer,,,,,I have all the info in my notes as to what vehicles but not where the buffer "thingy" is located. Firewall,,,fender,,under the dash???? Do tell,,,,,,,thanks ,,,,PL


Typed a long note... lost it due to a computer malfunction. Need to get to work... I'll try and type it out later tonight.


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Re: Mall trip [message #128546 is a reply to message #128539] Fri, 03 June 2011 22:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:


... lookin for a VSS and a buffer,,,,,I have all the info in my notes as to what vehicles but not where the buffer "thingy" is located. Firewall,,,fender,,under the dash???? Do tell,,,,,,,thanks ,,,,PL


Are you referring to the GM 4 out buffer for use with the VSS from the Caviler?


Paul W L
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Cleveland,OH
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Re: Mall trip [message #128572 is a reply to message #128539] Sat, 04 June 2011 01:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike Miller wrote on Fri, 03 June 2011 18:58

g.winger wrote on Fri, 03 June 2011 11:53

... lookin for a VSS and a buffer,,,,,I have all the info in my notes as to what vehicles but not where the buffer "thingy" is located. Firewall,,,fender,,under the dash???? Do tell,,,,,,,thanks ,,,,PL


Typed a long note... lost it due to a computer malfunction. Need to get to work... I'll try and type it out later tonight.



OK...

While I know that there are more cars with 4 output buffers, the only ones I have been able to find where on mid 80's mid-size caddy's, Olds and Buick cars. The buffers are attached to the heater/AC housing under the glovebox. They are attached by 2 hex headed screws that sometimes have a torx slot. The angle is poor to remove the screws but where they are mounted, the housing is removable. I pry this off and work it out around the rest of the stuff... then remove the screws after it is out of the car. Be sure and get the wiring harness... cut it as far up-stream as you can.

I have found two types, the yellow one shown in Spiffycar's photos, and a smaller white type. I grabbed both as it was during a 50% off sale and they where calling them "relays"... $2.24 each!

Spiffycar might be able to fill out the list of donor cars and locations on the part in those cars

For info: The VSS is normally located near the final drive on trans-axles and the output shaft on transmissions. Some require a 10mm socket and extension to remove....


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Re: Mall trip [message #128583 is a reply to message #128572] Sat, 04 June 2011 07:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mike Miller wrote on Sat, 04 June 2011 01:22

Mike Miller wrote on Fri, 03 June 2011 18:58

g.winger wrote on Fri, 03 June 2011 11:53

... lookin for a VSS and a buffer,,,,,I have all the info in my notes as to what vehicles but not where the buffer "thingy" is located. Firewall,,,fender,,under the dash???? Do tell,,,,,,,thanks ,,,,PL


Typed a long note... lost it due to a computer malfunction. Need to get to work... I'll try and type it out later tonight.



OK...

While I know that there are more cars with 4 output buffers, the only ones I have been able to find where on mid 80's mid-size caddy's, Olds and Buick cars. The buffers are attached to the heater/AC housing under the glovebox. They are attached by 2 hex headed screws that sometimes have a torx slot. The angle is poor to remove the screws but where they are mounted, the housing is removable. I pry this off and work it out around the rest of the stuff... then remove the screws after it is out of the car. Be sure and get the wiring harness... cut it as far up-stream as you can.

I have found two types, the yellow one shown in Spiffycar's photos, and a smaller white type. I grabbed both as it was during a 50% off sale and they where calling them "relays"... $2.24 each!

Spiffycar might be able to fill out the list of donor cars and locations on the part in those cars

For info: The VSS is normally located near the final drive on trans-axles and the output shaft on transmissions. Some require a 10mm socket and extension to remove....

Paul, I've found when buffer hunting it is easiest to pop the lower cover off under the glovebox to see if the buffer is the one you want. Then pop the glovebox out of the dash get at it from your new access point. A wire cutter will cut the plastic stumps on the heaterbox that the buffer retaining screw go in to. Kind of a Neanderthal method but it is quick. It seems if the buffer is in a yellow box its the one we need. Never found one on a firebird or camaro, Caddys were the best hunting.


Wally Anderson
Omaha NE
75 Glenbrook
Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip [message #128584 is a reply to message #128583] Sat, 04 June 2011 07:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Please excuse my ignorance, but
what are VSS and buffer?

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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: wallyand@aim.com
> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 07:06:57 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip
>
>
>
> Mike Miller wrote on Sat, 04 June 2011 01:22
> > Mike Miller wrote on Fri, 03 June 2011 18:58
> > > g.winger wrote on Fri, 03 June 2011 11:53
> > > > ... lookin for a VSS and a buffer,,,,,I have all the info in my notes as to what vehicles but not where the buffer "thingy" is located. Firewall,,,fender,,under the dash???? Do tell,,,,,,,thanks ,,,,PL
> > >
> > >
> > > Typed a long note... lost it due to a computer malfunction. Need to get to work... I'll try and type it out later tonight.
> >
> >
> > OK...
> >
> > While I know that there are more cars with 4 output buffers, the only ones I have been able to find where on mid 80's mid-size caddy's, Olds and Buick cars. The buffers are attached to the heater/AC housing under the glovebox. They are attached by 2 hex headed screws that sometimes have a torx slot. The angle is poor to remove the screws but where they are mounted, the housing is removable. I pry this off and work it out around the rest of the stuff... then remove the screws after it is out of the car. Be sure and get the wiring harness... cut it as far up-stream as you can.
> >
> > I have found two types, the yellow one shown in Spiffycar's photos, and a smaller white type. I grabbed both as it was during a 50% off sale and they where calling them "relays"... $2.24 each!
> >
> > Spiffycar might be able to fill out the list of donor cars and locations on the part in those cars
> >
> > For info: The VSS is normally located near the final drive on trans-axles and the output shaft on transmissions. Some require a 10mm socket and extension to remove....
>
> Paul, I've found when buffer hunting it is easiest to pop the lower cover off under the glovebox to see if the buffer is the one you want. Then pop the glovebox out of the dash get at it from your new access point. A wire cutter will cut the plastic stumps on the heaterbox that the buffer retaining screw go in to. Kind of a Neanderthal method but it is quick. It seems if the buffer is in a yellow box its the one we need. Never found one on a firebird or camaro, Caddys were the best hunting.
> --
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> 1975 Glenbrook
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Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip [message #128620 is a reply to message #128584] Sat, 04 June 2011 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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k2gkk wrote on Sat, 04 June 2011 05:27


Please excuse my ignorance, but
what are VSS and buffer?





Parts used for electronic cruise control or some fuel injection systems.

VSS = Vehicle Speed Sensor (The name kinda tells you what it does...)
4 output buffer = Converts the output of the least cost (junkyard) VSS into a signal usable by the above systems. I understand it will also provide outputs for the modern electronic speedometers.

Both of these parts are in this picture:

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=35183


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Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip [message #128633 is a reply to message #128620] Sat, 04 June 2011 13:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks, Mike.

I sort of wish that posters would use "standard" procedure
of always using the "full word" name of anything that has
an abbreviation that may be unfamiliar to newbies reading
their text; i.e. Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS); the first time
they write of it!

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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: m000035@gmail.com
> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 10:34:31 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip
>
>
>
> k2gkk wrote on Sat, 04 June 2011 05:27
> > Please excuse my ignorance, but
> > what are VSS and buffer?
>
>
> Parts used for electronic cruise control or some fuel injection systems.
>
> VSS = Vehicle Speed Sensor (The name kinda tells you what it does...)
> 4 output buffer = Converts the output of the least cost (junkyard) VSS into a signal usable by the above systems. I understand it will also provide outputs for the modern electronic speedometers.
>
> Both of these parts are in this picture:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=35183
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip [message #128656 is a reply to message #128633] Sat, 04 June 2011 15:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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k2gkk wrote on Sat, 04 June 2011 13:02


Thanks, Mike.

I sort of wish that posters would use "standard" procedure
of always using the "full word" name of anything that has
an abbreviation that may be unfamiliar to newbies reading
their text; i.e. Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS); the first time
they write of it!



It is a good thing you never worked with or for IBM. Everything is abbreviations and many times we did not every know the real names. Kind of like working for or being in the army.


Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip [message #128663 is a reply to message #128656] Sat, 04 June 2011 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Abbreviation conversation made me think of several, but the one that has
stuck in my mind is the word "posh". It means the deluxe or special
treatment. Originally it was P.O.S.H. , back in the days of ocean liners
that were departing from Southamton and with a destination of Capetown, The
preferred cabin location was Port side, outward bound, starboard side,
homeward bound. That side of the ship was much cooler. When Cunard wanted to
give someone special treatment, they would stamp their tickets POSH. Funny
what minds retain, that surely is catagorized as useless information. But,
now you know. <GRIN>
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
1978 General Motors Corporation Motorhome, 26 foot, Royale by Coachman, with
a 403 cubic inch internal combustion engine, gasoline powered.

On Sat, Jun 4, 2011 at 1:51 PM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:

>
>
> k2gkk wrote on Sat, 04 June 2011 13:02
> > Thanks, Mike.
> >
> > I sort of wish that posters would use "standard" procedure
> > of always using the "full word" name of anything that has
> > an abbreviation that may be unfamiliar to newbies reading
> > their text; i.e. Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS); the first time
> > they write of it!
>
> It is a good thing you never worked with or for IBM. Everything is
> abbreviations and many times we did not every know the real names. Kind of
> like working for or being in the army.
> --
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Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip [message #128676 is a reply to message #128663] Sat, 04 June 2011 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jim,

This provoked my interest and so I did a Google search "Port & Starboard"
and came up with this:

http://www.nmm.ac.uk/explore/sea-and-ships/facts/faqs/customs-and-origins/po
rt-and-starboard

http://tinyurl.com/6xr486

Helen and I have been thinking of taking a cruise around South America. It
starts in Ft. Lauderdale and then heads over to the Panama Canal, down the
west coast and then up the east coast. The POSH rule holds true for this
cruise also as the Port side will face the continent and therefore have more
interesting views when in sight of land.

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426


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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:40 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip

Abbreviation conversation made me think of several, but the one that has
stuck in my mind is the word "posh". It means the deluxe or special
treatment. Originally it was P.O.S.H. , back in the days of ocean liners
that were departing from Southamton and with a destination of Capetown, The
preferred cabin location was Port side, outward bound, starboard side,
homeward bound. That side of the ship was much cooler. When Cunard wanted to
give someone special treatment, they would stamp their tickets POSH. Funny
what minds retain, that surely is catagorized as useless information. But,
now you know. <GRIN>
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
1978 General Motors Corporation Motorhome, 26 foot, Royale by Coachman, with
a 403 cubic inch internal combustion engine, gasoline powered.


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Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip [message #128679 is a reply to message #128676] Sat, 04 June 2011 18:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Robert Mueller wrote on Sat, 04 June 2011 18:46

Jim,

This provoked my interest and so I did a Google search "Port & Starboard" and came up with this:

[url]<http://www.nmm.ac.uk/explore/sea-and-ships/factsfaqs/customs-and-origins/port-and-starboard>

http://tinyurl.com/6xr486

Helen and I have been thinking of taking a cruise around South America. It starts in Ft. Lauderdale and then heads over to the Panama Canal, down the west coast and then up the east coast. The POSH rule holds true for this cruise also as the Port side will face the continent and therefore have more interesting views when in sight of land.

Regards,
Rob M.


What the article does not include is that the reason the admiralty and many other organization changed Larboard to Port in that time frame (mid 19th century) was that the noise of propulsion machinery - steam engines - make understanding the difference between Larboard and Starboard as spoken words difficult. The noise of the machinery used to propel watercraft is still an issue to many.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip [message #128683 is a reply to message #128676] Sat, 04 June 2011 18:34 Go to previous message
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Don't worry about it, Rob. Most of the time
you will NOT be sequestered in your cabin
and you can look at the land from wherever
on the ship it is visible.

I have heard the P.O.S.H. before but had
forgotten about the story.

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> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 08:46:50 +1000
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip
>
> Jim,
>
> This provoked my interest and so I did a Google search "Port & Starboard"
> and came up with this:
>
> http://www.nmm.ac.uk/explore/sea-and-ships/facts/faqs/customs-and-origins/po
> rt-and-starboard
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6xr486
>
> Helen and I have been thinking of taking a cruise around South America. It
> starts in Ft. Lauderdale and then heads over to the Panama Canal, down the
> west coast and then up the east coast. The POSH rule holds true for this
> cruise also as the Port side will face the continent and therefore have more
> interesting views when in sight of land.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie - Downunder
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 7:40 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Mall trip
>
> Abbreviation conversation made me think of several, but the one that has
> stuck in my mind is the word "posh". It means the deluxe or special
> treatment. Originally it was P.O.S.H. , back in the days of ocean liners
> that were departing from Southamton and with a destination of Capetown, The
> preferred cabin location was Port side, outward bound, starboard side,
> homeward bound. That side of the ship was much cooler. When Cunard wanted to
> give someone special treatment, they would stamp their tickets POSH. Funny
> what minds retain, that surely is catagorized as useless information. But,
> now you know.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
> 1978 General Motors Corporation Motorhome, 26 foot, Royale by Coachman, with
> a 403 cubic inch internal combustion engine, gasoline powered.
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