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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #125966 is a reply to message #125941] |
Fri, 13 May 2011 22:11   |
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FWIW, Just give in and by Alcoas or Eagles. They look so much nicer, and are lighter, which means you don't need a gantry crane to change a flat. I bought all but one of mine on Craigslist
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #125999 is a reply to message #125966] |
Sat, 14 May 2011 07:42 |
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| Chr$ wrote on Fri, 13 May 2011 23:11 |
FWIW, Just give in and by Alcoas or Eagles. They look so much nicer, and are lighter, which means you don't need a gantry crane to change a flat. I bought all but one of mine on Craigslist
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<Political rant disabled>
The cost of a set of alloy wheels is greater than our annual maintenance budget for the coach. This cost also represents about a weeks traveling fuel cost. (It used to be two weeks - I’m not sure if this is an improvement.)
Alloy wheels to fit GMC are very rare on the used market. (Yes, I did let four that were close go by, but that is a separate issue.)
Many of us do not have current employment and cannot expect our income to increase to match inflation, the investments we made have decreased in value (or are gone altogether). There are also some significant increases in living expenses on the horizon we had better prepare to meet.
The very possible demise of good 16.5 tires leaves many of us working with just three choices:
1 Hope that the Chinese 16" wheels prove suitable and successful.
2 Force the purchase of alloy wheels and forego using the coach for a year or more to cover the expense.
3 Dispose of the “Asset”(liability) of the coach.
I have been trying to acquire wheels for quite some time. I would prefer steel wheels because I have a specific maintenance issue at hand. This does not change the fact that I have to do something and I have to start acting on one of the three choices very soon.
<Political rant enabled>
Please be cautious in any reply.
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #126011 is a reply to message #126008] |
Sat, 14 May 2011 08:44 |
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If the 225*16 go manufacturer discontinued what do we use as replacements.
And would replacement size be different for early vs. late coaches?
Enquiring minds...
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Matt Colie <mcolie@chartermi.net> wrote:
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> Mr ERFisher wrote on Sat, 14 May 2011 08:54
> > >> The cost of a set of alloy wheels is greater than our annual
> maintenance budget for the coach.
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> > buy 2 per year - new rims and tires- now it is in the budget ;>)
> > gene
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> Gene,
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> I had considered that but:
> What if at year 3 the wheels I have been buying become unavailable? (JimK
> is real good, but he still has only one supplier of Eagles.)
> And
> Years 1 & 2 would require carrying two different spares. This will be the
> case in any circumstance, but I can carry two steel wheels without modifying
> the mount.
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> On several occasions I have carried two steel wheeled tires on the mount,
> it works but it is not convenient at all.
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> And now JimB has thrown in the grenade that 225*16 may be on the way out.
> So running without a spare is again a bad plan.
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> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #126013 is a reply to message #126011] |
Sat, 14 May 2011 08:55 |
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you can read up on tire size here
http://gmcmotorhome.info/tires.html
gene
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
> If the 225*16 go manufacturer discontinued what do we use as replacements.
> And would replacement size be different for early vs. late coaches?
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> Enquiring minds...
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> Tom Eckert N2VWN
> 73 Glacier
> Oakland, TN
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> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Matt Colie <mcolie@chartermi.net> wrote:
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> >
> > Mr ERFisher wrote on Sat, 14 May 2011 08:54
> > > >> The cost of a set of alloy wheels is greater than our annual
> > maintenance budget for the coach.
> > >
> > > buy 2 per year - new rims and tires- now it is in the budget ;>)
> > > gene
> >
> > Gene,
> >
> > I had considered that but:
> > What if at year 3 the wheels I have been buying become unavailable?
> (JimK
> > is real good, but he still has only one supplier of Eagles.)
> > And
> > Years 1 & 2 would require carrying two different spares. This will be
> the
> > case in any circumstance, but I can carry two steel wheels without
> modifying
> > the mount.
> >
> > On several occasions I have carried two steel wheeled tires on the mount,
> > it works but it is not convenient at all.
> >
> > And now JimB has thrown in the grenade that 225*16 may be on the way out.
> > So running without a spare is again a bad plan.
> >
> > Matt
> > --
> > Matt & Mary Colie
> > '73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
> > SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #126021 is a reply to message #126008] |
Sat, 14 May 2011 10:10 |
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| mcolie wrote on Sat, 14 May 2011 06:39 |
| Mr ERFisher wrote on Sat, 14 May 2011 08:54 |
>> The cost of a set of alloy wheels is greater than our annual maintenance budget for the coach.
buy 2 per year - new rims and tires- now it is in the budget ;>)
gene
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Gene,
I had considered that but:
What if at year 3 the wheels I have been buying become unavailable? (JimK is real good, but he still has only one supplier of Eagles.)
And
Years 1 & 2 would require carrying two different spares. This will be the case in any circumstance, but I can carry two steel wheels without modifying the mount.
On several occasions I have carried two steel wheeled tires on the mount, it works but it is not convenient at all.
And now JimB has thrown in the grenade that 225*16 may be on the way out. So running without a spare is again a bad plan.
Matt
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Matt,
There is no reason to carry two different spares. All you need is an extra set of lug nuts for the steel spare wheel. The difference in 16" and 16.5" wheels/tires is insignificant.
Used steel wheels of the proper type can be had. My coach had a set on it when I got it. I traded them to another local GMCer for a set of almost new Eagles that he had bought from Jim K. and had on a project coach that he changed direction on.
About a year ago, I ran across a set of six of the same wheels on Craig's list, here in Tucson, for $50.00! I re-posted the link to the forum and Peter Baily responded that he wanted them. I picked them up, added another wheel I had lying around and Peter sent me a check for $100.00 to cover the cost of the other wheel and my gas. The wheels were then taken to CA. by Steve F. and made their way to a shipping depot and eventually to Australia. Peter will evidently save a huge amount of vehicle license tax by having factory wheels on his coach, instead of the 'custom' wheels that came on it.
Keep looking, or do as Gene suggests and upgrade two at a time. I have the lug centered Eagles on my coach and am quite happy with them. I do not see any advantage to buying the more expensive hub centered wheels. I guess it is a personal preference to some.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #126025 is a reply to message #126021] |
Sat, 14 May 2011 10:49 |
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| Carl S. wrote on Sat, 14 May 2011 11:10 |
Matt,
There is no reason to carry two different spares. All you need is an extra set of lug nuts for the steel spare wheel. The difference in 16" and 16.5" wheels/tires is insignificant.
Used steel wheels of the proper type can be had. My coach had a set on it when I got it. I traded them to another local GMCer for a set of almost new Eagles that he had bought from Jim K. and had on a project coach that he changed direction on.
About a year ago, I ran across a set of six of the same wheels on Craig's list, here in Tucson, for $50.00! <I remember that>
Keep looking, or do as Gene suggests and upgrade two at a time. I have the lug centered Eagles on my coach and am quite happy with them. I do not see any advantage to buying the more expensive hub centered wheels. I guess it is a personal preference to some.
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Carl,
I have planned to upgrade tires 2 at a time, but years ago I was taught an expensive lesson that if you want a set, you better be ready to buy them all at the same time.
I will not drive a car any distance or under less than perfect conditions with different front tires - again. (BTDT - not again).
Every salvage yard in striking range has my note on the wall that I am looking for these wheels, but I am in the rust belt and most of the old GMC trucks have been corroded out of service long ago. So far, one of the network yards offered to get me one (1)(uno)(ein) for merely 95$ (condition not guaranteed - no return) - No Thank You.
I am going to continue beating up Craig's list, Kijiji and E-bad. But unless Colorado works out well, I'm going to have to work on other solutions.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #126033 is a reply to message #126025] |
Sat, 14 May 2011 11:38 |
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| mcolie wrote on Sat, 14 May 2011 10:49 |
| Carl S. wrote on Sat, 14 May 2011 11:10 |
Matt,
There is no reason to carry two different spares. All you need is an extra set of lug nuts for the steel spare wheel. The difference in 16" and 16.5" wheels/tires is insignificant.
Used steel wheels of the proper type can be had. My coach had a set on it when I got it. I traded them to another local GMCer for a set of almost new Eagles that he had bought from Jim K. and had on a project coach that he changed direction on.
About a year ago, I ran across a set of six of the same wheels on Craig's list, here in Tucson, for $50.00! <I remember that>
Keep looking, or do as Gene suggests and upgrade two at a time. I have the lug centered Eagles on my coach and am quite happy with them. I do not see any advantage to buying the more expensive hub centered wheels. I guess it is a personal preference to some.
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Carl,
I have planned to upgrade tires 2 at a time, but years ago I was taught an expensive lesson that if you want a set, you better be ready to buy them all at the same time.
I will not drive a car any distance or under less than perfect conditions with different front tires - again. (BTDT - not again).
Every salvage yard in striking range has my note on the wall that I am looking for these wheels, but I am in the rust belt and most of the old GMC trucks have been corroded out of service long ago. So far, one of the network yards offered to get me one (1)(uno)(ein) for merely 95$ (condition not guaranteed - no return) - No Thank You.
I am going to continue beating up Craig's list, Kijiji and E-bad. But unless Colorado works out well, I'm going to have to work on other solutions.
Matt
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Just make sure both front wheels (drive wheels) are the same and the spare is identical to the drive wheels. If the spare is a little bigger or smaller than a rear wheel, it will still get you somewhere where you can effect permanent repairs.
I am like you. If I can't do a set of 6 or 7, I'm not going to take a chance on buying one or two now and then not being able to find identical units in the future. For now I can still find new 16.5" tires for about the same price as new 225/75R16s (load range D is good enough for my lightly loaded 23'). I won't be in the market for tires for another 6 - 12 months. If I can't find a set of 16" rims for next to nothing by then, I will just buy 16.5" tires.
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #126046 is a reply to message #126025] |
Sat, 14 May 2011 12:56 |
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Carl,
I have planned to upgrade tires 2 at a time, but years ago I was taught an expensive lesson that if you want a set, you better be ready to buy them all at the same time.
I will not drive a car any distance or under less than perfect conditions with different front tires - again. (BTDT - not again).
Every salvage yard in striking range has my note on the wall that I am looking for these wheels, but I am in the rust belt and most of the old GMC trucks have been corroded out of service long ago. So far, one of the network yards offered to get me one (1)(uno)(ein) for merely 95$ (condition not guaranteed - no return) - No Thank You.
I am going to continue beating up Craig's list, Kijiji and E-bad. But unless Colorado works out well, I'm going to have to work on other solutions.
Matt[/quote]
Matt,
You are absolutely right, and I'm not advocating driving with mis-matched front tires for any distance. Just to a tire shop, where you can get your tire repaired or replaced. In my experience, a slight mismatch in even a drive wheel will not harm the differential side gears since they are not turning at a significantly different rate of speed, especially at a difference of only 16 revs per mile. besides, they are bathed in 90 wt. Others may, and probably do, have a different opinion.
For about 18 years, I drove a 1980 Dodge dually with 7.50 X 16 tires on it. I had a bent 8.75 X 16.5 tire, off a dodge class C motor home for a spare. On a trip to Phoenix, I blew one of my rear duals about halfway there. I pulled over, under the shade of a billboard, took the rear wheels off that side, put one of the front wheels on, along with the other good rear, and put the (bent) 16.5 on the right front. I proceeded the 50 more miles to Phoenix and then drove the 100 miles back to Tucson, where I got the blown tire replaced. There were some ill handling effects, as I recall, but not too bad. Of course I was 20 years younger then, and changing three wheels, instead of one was no big deal.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #126094 is a reply to message #126046] |
Sat, 14 May 2011 19:31 |
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Carl -
Will the wheels on a 78 P-30 Chev dually work?
--- On Sat, 5/14/11, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
Every salvage yard in striking range has my note on the wall that I am looking for these wheels, but I am in the rust belt and most of the old GMC trucks have been corroded out of service long ago. So far, one of the network yards offered to get me one (1)(uno)(ein) for merely 95$ (condition not guaranteed - no return) - No Thank You.
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #126113 is a reply to message #126103] |
Sat, 14 May 2011 21:25 |
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I have been telling you ALL so! I have them on my 1978 GMC Royale 403.
Because I have the thick metallic brake pads, new rotors, and new calipers,
my calipers touched the back of the wheel. You elected to grind on the
caliper, I added a 1/4" spacer to gain clearance. I made a hub extender to
keep the steelie centered. Either way works, yours is cheaper if you do not
include the new cost of the steel wheel. Mine cost me $15.00 each, and I had
the aluminum that I turned the extenders and spacers out of. If I include my
labor, it is probably a wash. It is what each person prefers. Viva le
difference, it is what makes the world go around.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 GMC Royale 403
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Charles Wood <cbwoodsr@swbell.net> wrote:
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> OK...finally did it today..
> Mounted the Colorado Chinese NEW Wheel...
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> Had to grind a little more off the caliper housing and the fingers, the
> center is a little thicker than the used wheels..
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> However... It fit, is mounted and will be uploading pictures of the wheel,
> the area on the caliper that needs grinding and the finished product..
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> These will fit the 70mm calipers right off.., ONLY the 80mm calipers need
> the additional grinding. Should only be around 1/16th or so..
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> Nay sayers please take heed..
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #126116 is a reply to message #126094] |
Sat, 14 May 2011 21:46 |
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| Johnny Bridges wrote on Sat, 14 May 2011 17:31 |
Carl -
Will the wheels on a 78 P-30 Chev dually work?
--- On Sat, 5/14/11, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
Every salvage yard in striking range has my note on the wall that I am looking for these wheels, but I am in the rust belt and most of the old GMC trucks have been corroded out of service long ago. So far, one of the network yards offered to get me one (1)(uno)(ein) for merely 95$ (condition not guaranteed - no return) - No Thank You.
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Acording to this info, yes: <http://gmcmotorhome.info/wheels.html#HUB>
The guy I traded my Firestone 16" steel wheels couldn't get them to fit on 80mm calipers either. He switched the calipers with the ones on his newer coach and didn't have any other problems. I have stock calipers and they fit fine too. I believe Jim Hupy's spacers will fix the fitment problem for those running 80mm calipers.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #126151 is a reply to message #126011] |
Sun, 15 May 2011 07:39 |
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New standard for trucks is 17"and 18" tries and some 20"tires= no standard
On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
> If the 225*16 go manufacturer discontinued what do we use as replacements.
> And would replacement size be different for early vs. late coaches?
>
> Enquiring minds...
>
>
> Tom Eckert N2VWN
> 73 Glacier
> Oakland, TN
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> On Sat, May 14, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Matt Colie <mcolie@chartermi.net> wrote:
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>> Mr ERFisher wrote on Sat, 14 May 2011 08:54
>> > >> The cost of a set of alloy wheels is greater than our annual
>> maintenance budget for the coach.
>> >
>> > buy 2 per year - new rims and tires- now it is in the budget ;>)
>> > gene
>>
>> Gene,
>>
>> I had considered that but:
>> What if at year 3 the wheels I have been buying become unavailable? (JimK
>> is real good, but he still has only one supplier of Eagles.)
>> And
>> Years 1 & 2 would require carrying two different spares. This will be the
>> case in any circumstance, but I can carry two steel wheels without modifying
>> the mount.
>>
>> On several occasions I have carried two steel wheeled tires on the mount,
>> it works but it is not convenient at all.
>>
>> And now JimB has thrown in the grenade that 225*16 may be on the way out.
>> So running without a spare is again a bad plan.
>>
>> Matt
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie
>> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
>> SE Michigan - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels [message #126174 is a reply to message #126116] |
Sun, 15 May 2011 12:01 |
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OK. I got 7 of them on this old Itasca I'm parting. Before I space wheels outward, I want to know how much safety factor I have in the bearings - which I don't know on one of these guys. A quarter inch hadn't ought to matter... but so much of the coaches running gear is kind of on the ragged edge anyway, I have to wonder what the increased moment does to the load on the bearings.
--johnny
--- On Sun, 5/15/11, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] I'm giving up on trying to find new american made 16" steel wheels
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Sunday, May 15, 2011, 2:46 AM
Johnny Bridges wrote on Sat, 14 May 2011 17:31
> Carl -
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> Will the wheels on a 78 P-30 Chev dually work?
>
> --- On Sat, 5/14/11, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Every salvage yard in striking range has my note on the wall that I am looking for these wheels, but I am in the rust belt and most of the old GMC trucks have been corroded out of service long ago. So far, one of the network yards offered to get me one (1)(uno)(ein) for merely 95$ (condition not guaranteed - no return) - No Thank You.
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Acording to this info, yes: <http://gmcmotorhome.info/wheels.html#HUB>
The guy I traded my Firestone 16" steel wheels couldn't get them to fit on 80mm calipers either. He switched the calipers with the ones on his newer coach and didn't have any other problems. I have stock calipers and they fit fine too. I believe Jim Hupy's spacers will fix the fitment problem for those running 80mm calipers.
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Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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