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Whats the latest consensus on front alignment specs [message #124251] Mon, 02 May 2011 15:39 Go to next message
RF_Burns is currently offline  RF_Burns   Canada
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There are a number of specs for the front end alignment, I was just wondering what the latest consensus was.

With the Hubler upgrade I'll be taking the Murray in for an alignment in the morning.


Somewhere I believe I read as much caster as you can get with toe and camber at zero.

Thanks


Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
Re: [GMCnet] Whats the latest consensus on front alignment specs [message #124255 is a reply to message #124251] Mon, 02 May 2011 15:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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I thing Lenzi's is
0,0,0,all you can get (caster ;>)

of course like always, ask 3 GMCers a question, and you will get 5 answers
;>)


gene



On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Bruce Hislop <bruce@perthcomm.com> wrote:

>
>
> There are a number of specs for the front end alignment, I was just
> wondering what the latest consensus was.
>
> With the Hubler upgrade I'll be taking the Murray in for an alignment in
> the morning.
>
>
> Somewhere I believe I read as much caster as you can get with toe and
> camber at zero.
>
> Thanks
>
> --
> Bruce Hislop,
> S. Ontario Canada
> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI and ESC.
> Hubler front end and rear disk brakes are finally HERE!:)
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
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Re: Whats the latest consensus on front alignment specs [message #124273 is a reply to message #124251] Mon, 02 May 2011 17:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RF_Burns is currently offline  RF_Burns   Canada
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Yes I think it's Dave recommendation, yet all I could find on the net was that camber was everything.

Thanks for confirming that Gene


Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
Re: Whats the latest consensus on front alignment specs [message #124276 is a reply to message #124273] Mon, 02 May 2011 17:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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RF_Burns wrote on Mon, 02 May 2011 18:15

Yes I think it's Dave recommendation, yet all I could find on the net was that camber was everything.

Thanks for confirming that Gene






Sir;
0 toe, 0 camber, all the + CASTER you can get.


C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
Re: [GMCnet] Whats the latest consensus on front alignment specs [message #124336 is a reply to message #124251] Tue, 03 May 2011 00:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Bruce,

Dave actually recommends:

Toe in / out: 0 in.

Camber: 0 degrees

Caster: 5 degrees

If you put too much caster in you can run into problems with your power
steering pump. Caster actually causes the front suspension to rise and fall
when the wheel is turned left and right.

IIRC Dave noted that on his 8.1 Vortec he had problems with the power
steering pump relief valve popping at one time.

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426


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Subject: [GMCnet] Whats the latest consensus on front alignment specs



There are a number of specs for the front end alignment, I was just
wondering what the latest consensus was.

With the Hubler upgrade I'll be taking the Murray in for an alignment in the
morning.


Somewhere I believe I read as much caster as you can get with toe and camber
at zero.

Thanks

--
Bruce Hislop,
S. Ontario Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI and ESC.
Hubler front end and rear disk brakes are finally HERE!:)
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
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Re: Whats the latest consensus on front alignment specs [message #124343 is a reply to message #124251] Tue, 03 May 2011 05:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Did you see the pic of the angle between the upper and lower ball joint which should be the caster. I think Bill Hubler has added a bit more caster. IIRC last time it was aligned all they could get was about 2.5 deg.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=39011&title=hubler-front-end-insta&cat=500


Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
Re: [GMCnet] Whats the latest consensus on front alignment specs [message #124356 is a reply to message #124343] Tue, 03 May 2011 07:22 Go to previous message
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Bruce,

I have no idea what is obtainable with Bill's system; I Dave's modified
upper control arms and I got 5 degrees of caster. I had offset bushings in
the rear arm before I installed them and the best Tom Hampton could get was
1.9.

Double Trouble drives like it's on rails.

Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426


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Did you see the pic of the angle between the upper and lower ball joint
which should be the caster. I think Bill Hubler has added a bit more
caster. IIRC last time it was aligned all they could get was about 2.5 deg.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=39011&title=hubler-fro
nt-end-insta&cat=500
--
Bruce Hislop,
S. Ontario Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI and ESC.
Hubler front end installed and WOW! !:)
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
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Regards, Rob M. (USAussie) The Pedantic Mechanic Sydney, Australia '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428 '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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