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[GMCnet] Battery Charging Question [message #122359] Tue, 19 April 2011 14:47 Go to next message
Ray Erspamer is currently offline  Ray Erspamer   United States
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I thought I saw a comment on here awhile back that the power converters were not
the best things to use for charging the batteries.

We do a lot of dry camping and I typically run the Onan for awhile each day to
recharge the batteries, but it seems like I have to run it a really long time to
get the charges up like up to 4 hours, this seems pretty excessive.

Would it be better to hook up a regular battery charger and plug it into a
100vac outlet that the Onan powers and use that to charge the batteries?

Our power converter is a Progressive Dynamics PD9145A with the Charge Wizard on
it.

Thanks

Ray


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Re: [GMCnet] Battery Charging Question [message #122362 is a reply to message #122359] Tue, 19 April 2011 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ray Erspamer wrote on Tue, 19 April 2011 12:47

I thought I saw a comment on here awhile back that the power converters were not
the best things to use for charging the batteries.
... << snipped >> ...
Our power converter is a Progressive Dynamics PD9145A with the Charge Wizard on it.


You might have been thinking about a comment I made... I was talking about the original "Buzz Box" converter. NOT a PD like yours. (And the two that I own.)

The Buzz Box is more of a power supply, not a charger. It WILL "over charge" your batteries. Your PD is designed to both charge the batteries _AND_ supply power to your house 12 circuits.


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Re: [GMCnet] Battery Charging Question [message #122363 is a reply to message #122359] Tue, 19 April 2011 15:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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here is the whole deal.

http://goo.gl/xhv7v

in the final analysis, you should have a 3 level charger for the house
(bulk,soak,float) and have a combiner so that it works on both battery banks

the converters (buzz-boxz) , will typically boil your battery

gene



On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:

> I thought I saw a comment on here awhile back that the power converters
> were not
> the best things to use for charging the batteries.
>
> We do a lot of dry camping and I typically run the Onan for awhile each day
> to
> recharge the batteries, but it seems like I have to run it a really long
> time to
> get the charges up like up to 4 hours, this seems pretty excessive.
>
> Would it be better to hook up a regular battery charger and plug it into a
> 100vac outlet that the Onan powers and use that to charge the batteries?
>
> Our power converter is a Progressive Dynamics PD9145A with the Charge
> Wizard on
> it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
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Re: [GMCnet] Battery Charging Question [message #122366 is a reply to message #122359] Tue, 19 April 2011 15:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ray Erspamer wrote on Tue, 19 April 2011 15:47

I thought I saw a comment on here awhile back that the power converters were not the best things to use for charging the batteries.

We do a lot of dry camping and I typically run the Onan for awhile each day to recharge the batteries, but it seems like I have to run it a really long time to get the charges up like up to 4 hours, this seems pretty excessive.

Would it be better to hook up a regular battery charger and plug it into a 100vac outlet that the Onan powers and use that to charge the batteries?

Our power converter is a Progressive Dynamics PD9145A with the Charge Wizard on it.

Thanks

Ray

Ray,

You have a Converter/Charger, and in my carefully considered opinion, one of the best ever built.

Other than checking the water level in the house bank every once and a while, leave it alone. A PD9145 will not use much water and the house bank will always be topped up.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Battery Charging Question [message #122368 is a reply to message #122362] Tue, 19 April 2011 15:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Assuming your charger is set up for multi stage charging, it should charge the batteries at the fastest rate reasonable. So a regular battery charger shouldn't help.

The problem with 3 stage charging is that it isn't set up to charge a battery circuit that is also under load since the charger is also seeing the current draw from the load as well as the battery charging current and inferring that all the current is going to the battery. As a result the charger never drops to stage 3. I noted on my charger that for this situation they recommend setting the charger for two stage charging.


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Re: [GMCnet] Battery Charging Question [message #122369 is a reply to message #122363] Tue, 19 April 2011 15:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ray Erspamer is currently offline  Ray Erspamer   United States
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Thanks Gene, I do have a battery combiner. So according to the link you gave
me, having the Progressive Dynamics unit with the charge wizard, would you
consider this an ideal setup or should I change something??

Ray


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here is the whole deal.

http://goo.gl/xhv7v

in the final analysis, you should have a 3 level charger for the house
(bulk,soak,float) and have a combiner so that it works on both battery banks

the converters (buzz-boxz) , will typically boil your battery

gene



On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:

> I thought I saw a comment on here awhile back that the power converters
> were not
> the best things to use for charging the batteries.
>
> We do a lot of dry camping and I typically run the Onan for awhile each day
> to
> recharge the batteries, but it seems like I have to run it a really long
> time to
> get the charges up like up to 4 hours, this seems pretty excessive.
>
> Would it be better to hook up a regular battery charger and plug it into a
> 100vac outlet that the Onan powers and use that to charge the batteries?
>
> Our power converter is a Progressive Dynamics PD9145A with the Charge
> Wizard on
> it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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Re: [GMCnet] Battery Charging Question [message #122370 is a reply to message #122369] Tue, 19 April 2011 15:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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you got it all

congrats
gene


On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:

> Thanks Gene, I do have a battery combiner. So according to the link you
> gave
> me, having the Progressive Dynamics unit with the charge wizard, would you
> consider this an ideal setup or should I change something??
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Tue, April 19, 2011 3:02:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Battery Charging Question
>
> here is the whole deal.
>
> http://goo.gl/xhv7v
>
> in the final analysis, you should have a 3 level charger for the house
> (bulk,soak,float) and have a combiner so that it works on both battery
> banks
>
> the converters (buzz-boxz) , will typically boil your battery
>
> gene
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I thought I saw a comment on here awhile back that the power converters
> > were not
> > the best things to use for charging the batteries.
> >
> > We do a lot of dry camping and I typically run the Onan for awhile each
> day
> > to
> > recharge the batteries, but it seems like I have to run it a really long
> > time to
> > get the charges up like up to 4 hours, this seems pretty excessive.
> >
> > Would it be better to hook up a regular battery charger and plug it into
> a
> > 100vac outlet that the Onan powers and use that to charge the batteries?
> >
> > Our power converter is a Progressive Dynamics PD9145A with the Charge
> > Wizard on
> > it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> > Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> > 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> > TZE368V101144
> > Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> > Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> > 414-745-3188
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Re: [GMCnet] Battery Charging Question [message #122376 is a reply to message #122370] Tue, 19 April 2011 16:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ray, this all depends on how things are set up. Let me tell you what works the fastest for us. I too have a new pd45 and the external switch to put it in boost mode anytime I want.
Our 6 batteries are up front. The PD is in back with a 10, or 12g, gauge wire running to the front batteries, too small. Plans for #6 welding cable soon.
Anyway: I have two "charge" lugs on passenger side dash, near the floor. Two heavy cables direct to the batteries. We keep a 30 amp 3 stage charger plugged in and connected to these two lugs when dry camping. When the Onan or Kipor is fired, we get a good 25 plus amp charge direct to batteries. Will charge much faster than the PD. I watch the charge on the battery charger and on my shunt fed amp meter. Most here disagree with me but this is the fastest way I have found to get the batteries to suck current back in.
That being said, we rarely need this due to the solar setup. But, I have it when I want it.
When I run the #6 welding cable to the front I will recheck things. The PO did not do us a favor by running number 10, or 12 g, wire to the batteries.
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Re: [GMCnet] Battery Charging Question [message #122379 is a reply to message #122376] Tue, 19 April 2011 16:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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so just put your PD up front and problem solved....

gene



On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Ray, this all depends on how things are set up. Let me tell you what works
> the fastest for us. I too have a new pd45 and the external switch to put it
> in boost mode anytime I want.
> Our 6 batteries are up front. The PD is in back with a 10, or 12g, gauge
> wire running to the front batteries, too small. Plans for #6 welding cable
> soon.
> Anyway: I have two "charge" lugs on passenger side dash, near the floor.
> Two heavy cables direct to the batteries. We keep a 30 amp 3 stage charger
> plugged in and connected to these two lugs when dry camping. When the Onan
> or Kipor is fired, we get a good 25 plus amp charge direct to batteries.
> Will charge much faster than the PD. I watch the charge on the battery
> charger and on my shunt fed amp meter. Most here disagree with me but this
> is the fastest way I have found to get the batteries to suck current back
> in.
> That being said, we rarely need this due to the solar setup. But, I have it
> when I want it.
> When I run the #6 welding cable to the front I will recheck things. The PO
> did not do us a favor by running number 10, or 12 g, wire to the batteries.
> Dan
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Re: [GMCnet] Battery Charging Question [message #122383 is a reply to message #122379] Tue, 19 April 2011 17:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mr ERFisher wrote on Tue, 19 April 2011 16:22

so just put your PD up front and problem solved....

gene




Have thought about that. With the amp meter it is easy to see that the PD rarely ever puts a full charge in our batteries when we are plugged in and using our appliances. Moving it might help that also. I also have a spare converer, Iota 45, that I thought about mounting but it is not a 3 stage, I dont think.
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Re: [GMCnet] Battery charging [message #358941 is a reply to message #122359] Fri, 25 September 2020 15:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I say a lot depends upon the design of the coach. House battery
bank is very close to the "converter" and voltage drop losses would
consequently be much less of a disadvantage.

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Converter has a max charge rate of 45 amps. Engine alternators 80 - 100
amps.
Neither system will charge batteries at their max. It depends upon
resistance in the charging circuit. Converters are a long way from the
engine battery. Auto alternators are a shorter distance with twice the
output. You can do the math.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 12:07 PM Vadim Jitkov via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Just a small thought experiment here - what is a better way (more
> efficient and/or I suppose a faster way) to charge the house batteries when
> not
> connected to the grid - Onan generator or 455 main engine?
> Onan generator is 6,000W. It feeds power into 110 house system, which is
> then connected to batteries through battery charger/maintainer.
> Main engine is 455 with what I believe a standard no frills alternator
> setup. Is there a way to poke the head into the engine compartment and
> figure
> out how many Amps the alternator is rated for?
> --
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> '76 Glenbrook 26'
> Pullman, WA

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Re: [GMCnet] Battery charging [message #358943 is a reply to message #122359] Fri, 25 September 2020 15:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you really want to go fast do both


On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 1:05 PM James Hupy via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Converter has a max charge rate of 45 amps. Engine alternators 80 - 100
> amps.
> Neither system will charge batteries at their max. It depends upon
> resistance in the charging circuit. Converters are a long way from the
> engine battery. Auto alternators are a shorter distance with twice the
> output. You can do the math.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 12:07 PM Vadim Jitkov via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Just a small thought experiment here - what is a better way (more
>> efficient and/or I suppose a faster way) to charge the house batteries
> when
>> not
>> connected to the grid - Onan generator or 455 main engine?
>> Onan generator is 6,000W. It feeds power into 110 house system, which is
>> then connected to batteries through battery charger/maintainer.
>> Main engine is 455 with what I believe a standard no frills alternator
>> setup. Is there a way to poke the head into the engine compartment and
>> figure
>> out how many Amps the alternator is rated for?
>> --
>> Vadim Jitkov
>> '76 Glenbrook 26'
>> Pullman, WA
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Re: [GMCnet] Battery charging [message #358945 is a reply to message #122359] Fri, 25 September 2020 16:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No one asked about fuel consumption. The faster the charge rate, the more
fuel is consumed. Fact of life.
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On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 2:40 PM Larry Davick via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> I suspect the generator will use less fuel than the engine at idle.
>
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>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Vadim Jitkov via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> Didn't think about distance from source of electricity to the battery.
> In my case, the house batteries are in the back by the generator. This puts
>> the alternator much further away than the charger/converter. I guess
> I'll try to find a datasheet on the charger to see what it can output. Is
> there
>> some simple formula or rule of thumb for what the current/voltage drop
> is depending on wire length and size?
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>> '76 Glenbrook 26'
>> Pullman, WA
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Re: [GMCnet] Battery charging [message #358947 is a reply to message #358945] Fri, 25 September 2020 18:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Will idle from the 455 charge as fast as if you are driving?

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 2:50 PM James Hupy via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> No one asked about fuel consumption. The faster the charge rate, the more
> fuel is consumed. Fact of life.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Oregon
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 2:40 PM Larry Davick via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> I suspect the generator will use less fuel than the engine at idle.
>>
>> Larry Davick
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>>
>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Vadim Jitkov via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Didn't think about distance from source of electricity to the battery.
>> In my case, the house batteries are in the back by the generator. This
> puts
>>> the alternator much further away than the charger/converter. I guess
>> I'll try to find a datasheet on the charger to see what it can output.
> Is
>> there
>>> some simple formula or rule of thumb for what the current/voltage drop
>> is depending on wire length and size?
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>>> '76 Glenbrook 26'
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Re: [GMCnet] Battery charging [message #358949 is a reply to message #358947] Fri, 25 September 2020 18:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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Probably not.
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On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 4:30 PM John Phillips via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:

> Will idle from the 455 charge as fast as if you are driving?
>
> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 2:50 PM James Hupy via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> No one asked about fuel consumption. The faster the charge rate, the more
>> fuel is consumed. Fact of life.
>> Jim Hupy
>> Salem, Oregon
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>> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 2:40 PM Larry Davick via Gmclist > gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>>> I suspect the generator will use less fuel than the engine at idle.
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>>> Larry Davick
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>>>> On Sep 25, 2020, at 1:38 PM, Vadim Jitkov via Gmclist >> gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>>>> Didn't think about distance from source of electricity to the
> battery.
>>> In my case, the house batteries are in the back by the generator. This
>> puts
>>>> the alternator much further away than the charger/converter. I guess
>>> I'll try to find a datasheet on the charger to see what it can output.
>> Is
>>> there
>>>> some simple formula or rule of thumb for what the current/voltage
> drop
>>> is depending on wire length and size?
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Re: [GMCnet] Battery charging [message #358954 is a reply to message #358949] Fri, 25 September 2020 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Matt Colie is currently offline  Matt Colie   United States
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Quote:
John Phillips asked:
Will idle from the 455 charge as fast as if you are driving?

Jim Hupy answered:
Probably not.
And as usual Jim is his usual right-on self.

I had to mess with this a lot when building new house power systems for racing sloops that were becoming performance cruisers.

At an ~800 idle the alternator might be up to 2500. The 27SI series is not up to the flat part of the output until about 4500 (near road load speed).

If, as suggested, you try both it will probably still be disappointing unless you are running the APU while underway. At idle speeds, the charge voltage that the alternator can contribute over that provided by the converter will make little if any difference.

If this is a real concern, I suggest that you install a real (with a shunt or other charge current measurement device) battery condition monitor. That is what centered me up on my problem years ago.

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Re: [GMCnet] Battery Charging Question [message #358955 is a reply to message #122359] Fri, 25 September 2020 20:41 Go to previous message
RF_Burns is currently offline  RF_Burns   Canada
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Lead acid batteries typically do not like to be charged at rate higher than 5C without shortening their life. So for a 100Amp hr battery, 5C is 100/5 = 20 amps. If you are running two 6 volt golf cart batteries that is about 40 amps. In either case from discharge that is 5 hours plus about another hour because the battery charge is not 100% efficient. So considering you don't go below 50% depth of discharge you are still looking at 2.5-3 hours. But you also do not want to run 5C right to full charge you are still looking at 5 hours or so.

This is where LiFePo4 batteries shine in that you can take them down to 80% DoC and can then recharge them at a much higher rate so from 80%DoC you can recharge in 2-3 hours.


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