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Fri, 25 March 2011 01:58  |
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USAussie
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G'day,
I contacted Jim B for a couple of SS-45 Fire Extinguishers and was wondering
if anyone from Florida is coming to the GMCMI Convention in Patterson, LA
and could pick them up from his shop and bring them.
http://www.firefight1.com/upload/prod1.php?pk=6#qvc
He's also got a drivers side Caddy 500 exhaust manifold that Manny brought
to his shop that I need too.
Please contact me OFF NET if you can bring these items.
Thanks,
Rob M.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #119898 is a reply to message #119895] |
Fri, 25 March 2011 08:08  |
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USAussie
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Jim,
Thanks!
I don't mean to sound like an ingrate but I've been traveling with two dry
powder fire extinguishers for two years now and touch wood I haven't needed
them as they can do damn near as much damage as a fire if used.
I'm getting paranoid and would like to swap them for two of Jim's two liter
SS-45 Aqueous Foam Extinguishers ASAP as IMHO they are WAY better than the
dry powder units for putting out fires and the foam doesn't do any damage.
Having said all this if there isn't anybody from the area coming to the
GMCMI Convention I would appreciate it if you would bring them to Bean
Station.
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Galbavy
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:38 PM
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Rob,
I'm 19 miles down I-4 from JimB. I won't be at GMCMHI but would be happy to
take them to Bean Station.
jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Chesterfield, Va / LAKE MARY, FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #119938 is a reply to message #119898] |
Fri, 25 March 2011 16:20 |
Larry C
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Rob
Best to keep them as well. They are for a different fire source than the foam.
Dry Chem is call an "All around" fire extinguishant. They will put the fire out. Used on dry fuels, wood, paper, rugs, some liquid fires, though flash back can be a problem if the liquid is heated to flash point.
Dry Chem is not a bad extinguisher, it is messy but it would save your property.
Foam is used for coating fuel fires, large puddles of fuel burning are extinguished by the foam covering the surface of the fuel source, starving the fire for air and cooling the fuel from flash back temps. They have been used for solid fuel fires but remember if your engine metal is hot, the cool foam can crack your manifold, headers, etc.
There are plus and minuses in both worlds so have both handy.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #119951 is a reply to message #119938] |
Fri, 25 March 2011 19:18 |
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USAussie
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Larry,
Noted, thanks!
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Sent: Saturday, March 26, 2011 8:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers
Rob
Best to keep them as well. They are for a different fire source than the
foam.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #120038 is a reply to message #119885] |
Sat, 26 March 2011 16:21 |
Larry
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Rob,
A friend of ours had a house fire. After all was said and done, dealing with insurance company, and getting things cleaned instead of replaced, she told me if she had to do it again, she'd have gotten kids, dog and a few valuables out, and then waited 10 minutes to call the fire dept. If my coach starts fire, I'll get my wife out first, then me and let it burn. Much easier to replace with a nice "done" coach than have it towed home and fix it. Been there with fix'in it, done that! Gonna take the easy way out next time. JMHO.
Gotta admit though...after all the blood sweat and tears I got in this thing, it would be hard to watch...
Larry 
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #120058 is a reply to message #120038] |
Sat, 26 March 2011 20:15 |
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| Larry wrote on Sat, 26 March 2011 17:21 |
Rob,
A friend of ours had a house fire. After all was said and done, dealing with insurance company, and getting things cleaned instead of replaced, she told me if she had to do it again, she'd have gotten kids, dog and a few valuables out, and then waited 10 minutes to call the fire dept. If my coach starts fire, I'll get my wife out first, then me and let it burn. Much easier to replace with a nice "done" coach than have it towed home and fix it. Been there with fix'in it, done that! Gonna take the easy way out next time. JMHO.
Gotta admit though...after all the blood sweat and tears I got in this thing, it would be hard to watch...
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I know you were kidding when you wrote this because, like most things on the web, it never goes away and is easily found through a Google search later. So I'm sure you were just kidding in here and, in the extremely unfortunate situation of a fire, would call AS SOON AS everyone was safe. As I'm sure we all would.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #120067 is a reply to message #119885] |
Sat, 26 March 2011 20:56 |
Larry
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I was wondering when I wrote that what the reaction would be. OK...for the record, really...after all the Blood Sweat and Tears I have in this thing, should there be a fire, after getting my wife out, I would use up all three of the extinguishers I carry in the coach putting it out. Yes, I do carry three extinguishers. One next to the engine compartment behind the passenger seat, another at the coach entrance, and a third in the right rear outside storage compartment. All located so that I can get at any one of them easily. The point I was making is that should there be a fire, it is only the beginning of the trouble, not to mention having to build another one...
It would be to hard to watch, and not act on it.
Larry
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #120087 is a reply to message #120058] |
Sun, 27 March 2011 01:29 |
Larry C
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Yeah, I have the exact same plan
I travel with 3 Greyhounds and getting them off is number one. The 911 comes next and if I can put it out, thats one thing, if not, well, a tear in my eye comes to mind....
If I, ( we ) keep our eye on the maintenance, and some good luck, we all should be alright, ya know.... Happy Trails...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #120088 is a reply to message #120087] |
Sun, 27 March 2011 02:33 |
James Hupy
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A fireman friend of mine says that prevention is the best kind of fire
fighting, but good extinguishers are indespensible when stuff happens. I
personally have an under hood halon extinguisher bottle that is automatic.
It is pointed at the side of the engine where the transmission and oil
cooler lines as well as the mechanical fuel pump are located. It also cover
the top of the engine including the carb and alternator. I have a 5# dry
chemical right behind the drivers seat, another in the rear of the coach,
and a final one in the equipment bay on the pass side rear. I hope that I
never have to use any of them, but I have seen enough burned RVs to know
that with all those systems crammed into that confined space that stuff
happens. These coaches are all getting old and most are extensively
modified. Try to keep up on your maintence & check under that engine hatch
once in a while, and keep your appraisals and insurance plans up to date.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC Royale 403
On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Larry <slawrence111@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Yeah, I have the exact same plan
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> I travel with 3 Greyhounds and getting them off is number one. The 911
> comes next and if I can put it out, thats one thing, if not, well, a tear in
> my eye comes to mind....
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> If I, ( we ) keep our eye on the maintenance, and some good luck, we all
> should be alright, ya know.... Happy Trails...
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> 74 GLACIER X, 260
> 455/APC/4 bagg'r(ver3)
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #120108 is a reply to message #120088] |
Sun, 27 March 2011 12:57 |
Larry C
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I have three dry chem and usually carry 2 foam extinguisers. I don't carry Halon because its effectiveness is the same as CO2.
I am curious....
Has anyone ever had one of the under hood auto fire suppressing systems actually operate and did it work to your satisfaction???
What exactly happened?
No flames please, Its better to have something ready to go than not be ready. I am interested in how they have actually reacted to a problem and if they are also able to be fired manually...
Anyone care to entertain this thought??
many thanks
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #120113 is a reply to message #120108] |
Sun, 27 March 2011 13:15 |
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| Larry C wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 13:57 |
I have three dry chem and usually carry 2 foam extinguisers. I don't carry Halon because its effectiveness is the same as CO2.
I am curious....
Has anyone ever had one of the under hood auto fire suppressing systems actually operate and did it work to your satisfaction???
What exactly happened?
No flames please, Its better to have something ready to go than not be ready. I am interested in how they have actually reacted to a problem and if they are also able to be fired manually...
Anyone care to entertain this thought??
many thanks
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Jim Bounds posted on his Daily Pose last month, if you scroll down to the 2/25/11 posting you'll find it, about one of his under hood systems activating and preventing significant damage to someone's coach. There are a few pictures of what still needed to be replaced. I know he's very involved in the marketing, so I wouldn't call him unbiased, but it was a pretty good depiction of what happened, the aftermath, what could be saved, and what he had to repair to get the coach back on the road.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #120114 is a reply to message #120113] |
Sun, 27 March 2011 13:51 |
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Larry, that halon bottle is the same one that is often used on Funny cars
and other enclosed racing cars. It will flat out put out a nitromethane or
alcohol fire in 2 or 3 seconds and save the drivers life doing it. I used to
crew on a slingshot dragster that had a DeSoto Hemi on hilborn injection
that had a fuel fire without extinguishers on board & we had a fuel tank
rupture spraying the engine, cockpit, driver, slicks, mag wheels, parachute
with fuel. It happened when the car was moving about 150 MPH. When the car
came to a stop, all the wood, plastic, leather, magnesium behind the engine
was consumed. The driver was wearing a nomex fire suit, one of the first
ones that had velcro closures around the wrists and neck band. He recieved
burns when the velcro melted. The race car was a total loss. Whole deal took
about 10 or 15 seconds. I have seen those halon bottles discharge & the fire
just goes out. Would have saved him from some very painful burns and
scarring. I have used C02 extinguishers when I was in the military and the
static electricity generated from the use of those things gets pretty
exciting, the sparks jump off of that funnel shaped outlet nozzle when it is
in use. If you are grounded and have bare hands it will discharge through
you also.
The foam extinguishers also work well. The dry chemical types do put out
fires, but the corrosive effects of the chemicals raises holy ned with any
electronic equipment in the area.
You are usually better off to replace that stuff after using one of those. I
have them and will use them if my on board system doesn't do the job.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC Royale 403
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Larry C wrote on Sun, 27 March 2011 13:57
> > I have three dry chem and usually carry 2 foam extinguisers. I don't
> carry Halon because its effectiveness is the same as CO2.
> >
> > I am curious....
> >
> > Has anyone ever had one of the under hood auto fire suppressing systems
> actually operate and did it work to your satisfaction???
> >
> > What exactly happened?
> >
> >
> > No flames please, Its better to have something ready to go than not be
> ready. I am interested in how they have actually reacted to a problem and
> if they are also able to be fired manually...
> >
> > Anyone care to entertain this thought??
> >
> > many thanks
>
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> Jim Bounds posted on his Daily Pose last month, if you scroll down to the
> 2/25/11 posting you'll find it, about one of his under hood systems
> activating and preventing significant damage to someone's coach. There are a
> few pictures of what still needed to be replaced. I know he's very involved
> in the marketing, so I wouldn't call him unbiased, but it was a pretty good
> depiction of what happened, the aftermath, what could be saved, and what he
> had to repair to get the coach back on the road.
> --
> Thanks,
> Jeremy Knezek
> 1976 Glenbrook
> Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #120129 is a reply to message #119885] |
Sun, 27 March 2011 17:15 |
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I use to sell Halon systems for flooding computer rooms. The key word here is "flooding". Halon must eliminate all of the oxygen to be entirely effective. The area must stay flooded for a period of time while cooling down or removal of the combustible material occurs. This makes Halon good in enclosed areas like the generator cabinet or the refrigerator cabinet. In my opinion it is almost useless in the engine area where the front has a fan forcing air in and the bottom is entirely open to allow dispersal of the Halon. Halon is about as effective as CO2 except CO2 adds a cooling component to reduce the possibility of re-ignition.
Dry powder does a decent job but destroys everything left in the area (see my GMC fire pictures on the GMCMH photos web site.)
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=17604&cat=4521
That pretty much leaves water and foams.
The best solution I see is AR-AFFF foam. It suppresses the fire and also cools down the burning item. We use FAA approved AFFF on the fire trucks at the airport. We actually mix it on the truck. The truck can shoot straight water or with the opening of a valve mix the AFFF solution on the fly at 3% or 6% for fuel type fires.
One problem with AFFF is some types do not like alcohol. I know the regular (non-aviation) fire trucks also kept at the airport use AR-AFFF which is alcohol resistant. Aviation fuel NEVER has alcohol in it while automotive gasolines might have some. This is why the different mixes are used.
More info is available here on AR-AFFF:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_fighting_foam
I carry AFFF and CO2 fire extinguishers in my motorhome. I also do not buy alcohol blended gasoline.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #120136 is a reply to message #120135] |
Sun, 27 March 2011 19:44 |
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Jim,
Thanks for the follow-up.
Turns out my Aussie Mate, Mark Bennett is heading for Jim B's in the next
couple of days on his way down to the Florida Keys and volunteered to pick
them up.
I will post a note to the GMC net if that doesn't work out.
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jim Galbavy
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 11:34 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers
We have strayed from Rob's original question. Can anyone help him by
delivering the extinguishers and manifold to the gmcmhi rally. If not I can
get them to Bean Station.
jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Chesterfield, Va / LAKE MARY, FL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #120137 is a reply to message #120108] |
Sun, 27 March 2011 19:44 |
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Larry;
I have a friend that has a 1977 Kingsley.
He had the halon extinguisher system installed in the engine compartment.
It went off and killed the engine, no oxygen & no evidence of a fire.
He had it recharged and it went off again killing the engine, again, no
fire.
Needless to say, he didn't recharge it again as he said it was too costly
and unreliable.
JADE
73 23' ?? 73 26' Palm Desert
Ajo, AZ
KC7QGC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry" <slawrence111@yahoo.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2011 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers
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> I have three dry chem and usually carry 2 foam extinguisers. I don't
> carry Halon because its effectiveness is the same as CO2.
>
> I am curious....
>
> Has anyone ever had one of the under hood auto fire suppressing systems
> actually operate and did it work to your satisfaction???
>
> What exactly happened?
>
>
> No flames please, Its better to have something ready to go than not be
> ready. I am interested in how they have actually reacted to a problem and
> if they are also able to be fired manually...
>
> Anyone care to entertain this thought??
>
> many thanks
>
> --
> Gatsbys' CRUISER :d
> 74 GLACIER X, 260
> 455/APC/4 bagg'r(ver3)
> Remflex Manifold gaskets
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> Purchased 08-18-04
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| Re: [GMCnet] Fire Extinguishers [message #120139 is a reply to message #120129] |
Sun, 27 March 2011 19:57 |
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Just a quick note here...
I was trained in fire equipment and extinguishers for work. When the company was its own fire fighting force, we managers had to be certified... GRRr mumble mumble...
I did learn a lot about fighting fires and with what.
I beg forgiveness when I jump on the band wagon but if you use the wrong type of extinguisher, you might as well not use anything. One that we should never see is a metal fire, NONE of our extinguishers would work on this. and a forceful Propane fire can only be put out by a pretty hefty dry chemical. It is the hottest fire you will ever NOT WANT TO SEE. you will get burns 20 foot away or more. I did, and I had protection on.
The problem with CO2 / Halogen is if the metal is hot, and the protected area is not an inclosed space, the gas will go away after putting the fire out and the fire will re-ignite by the hot metal. Foam might help here but you are back to a mess.
By the way, the dry chem that sticks on everything is doing what it is supposed to, it smothers the fire, what we see as damage/corrosion has just saved your equipment.
Halon is suppose to have a chemical reaction to hot copper, makes acid... But I don't have any paper to prove the claim. sooo.
Sorry Rob, I guess I started all this and I will now sheepishly bow away.
Sorry I cannot help you with transport at this time, but perhaps I can help in the future.
I think Rob needs something picked up at the Coop RESORT and transported to the MCMHI rally.... Anyone able to help, step up.
Thanks all for your comments.
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