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| Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year [message #119426 is a reply to message #119423] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 09:45   |
jknezek
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| George Zhookoff wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 09:37 |
Jeremy,
It takes 4 pieces of 3/4" thick X 18" Uni-strut. I have enough for two
pieces of 18". You'll need to get at least 36" more.
George Zhookoff
78 EL II
Atlanta
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Thank you. Chuck Boyd also has one strut already made, so now I'm up to 3 of 4. Of course, the coach didn't survive the trip back from Eastern States. Froze a rear bearing coming south on I-85 about 25 miles north of Atlanta.
Coach is at Southland (Zeb Frady's shop). Was odd because I didn't have any warning. No whining, jolting, screeching, nothing until it just let go with a big jolt and some black smoke. Almost tore the wheel off the coach. Was very fortunate that I didn't cause an accident since people in Atlanta drive like donkeys. I'm belching smoke in the second lane from the right shoulder and had to go a couple hundred yards while some idiot happily sat in my blind spot instead of moving out of the way. Was waiting to see the wheel go rolling past me...
Took Coachnet 5.5 hours to get a landoll out to us, and we didn't get home in a rental car until about 1 a.m. My wife and my baby daughter were pretty unhappy. I grease those bogies religiously and had the bearings repacked by a GMC shop less than 4yrs and 15K miles ago. Pretty disappointing.
Anyway, thanks for the Unistrut. I'm still planning to be at Bean Station.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year [message #119440 is a reply to message #119426] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 12:35 |
Dennis S
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Jeremy,
Sorry to hear of your mechanical problems. I believe at least one GMCer lost a rear wheel in the last few years because of bearing failure. Please let us know of any post mortem -- maybe we can all learn from your experience. I recall DanG and perhaps Rob both suffered bearing failures -- but not so catastrophic -- just lots of noise and such.
Regards,
Dennis
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Thank you. Chuck Boyd also has one strut already made, so now I'm up to 3 of 4. Of course, the coach didn't survive the trip back from Eastern States. Froze a rear bearing coming south on I-85 about 25 miles north of Atlanta.
Coach is at Southland (Zeb Frady's shop). Was odd because I didn't have any warning. No whining, jolting, screeching, nothing until it just let go with a big jolt and some black smoke. Almost tore the wheel off the coach. Was very fortunate that I didn't cause an accident since people in Atlanta drive like donkeys. I'm belching smoke in the second lane from the right shoulder and had to go a couple hundred yards while some idiot happily sat in my blind spot instead of moving out of the way. Was waiting to see the wheel go rolling past me...
Took Coachnet 5.5 hours to get a landoll out to us, and we didn't get home in a rental car until about 1 a.m. My wife and my baby daughter were pretty unhappy. I grease those bogies religiously and had the bearings repacked by a GMC shop less than 4yrs and 15K miles ago. Pretty disappointing.
Anyway, thanks for the Unistrut. I'm still planning to be at Bean Station.[/quote]
Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year [message #119444 is a reply to message #119440] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 12:42 |
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Jeremy - looks like I'm not able to see the first of this message but apparently you broke down. I really hate that. You had quite a number of passengers to take care of. We probably ought to swap cell phone numbers at the end of a rally so if anyone gets in trouble, they can at least let others know.
Stick Miller
'78 Royale - "White Trash" - she left me for another man
'76 Eleganza - "Cousin Eddie" Sold
'84 Bluebird Wanderlodge - "Past Tents"
Americus, GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year [message #119449 is a reply to message #119444] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 13:22 |
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| Stick Miller wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 13:42 |
Jeremy - looks like I'm not able to see the first of this message but apparently you broke down. I really hate that. You had quite a number of passengers to take care of. We probably ought to swap cell phone numbers at the end of a rally so if anyone gets in trouble, they can at least let others know.
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Thanks Stick. It was good to meet you. We did freeze a rear bearing (last wheel, passenger side) on I-85 north of Atlanta. Had to rent a minivan and load up the family and animals to come the rest of the way. These things happen, although I think this one is a bit odd. I wouldn't have expected to have no warning it was going to fail. Now I didn't use the infared heat gun on the wheel on the way home, but I did check it at a gas stop on the way to the rally and saw no major temp variation from the other wheels.
The idea for exchanging phone numbers is good, but we carry the Black List and that usually has your best bet. We were the last ones to leave the campground as I'm sure you can remember how much longer it takes to get going with a toddler! Everyone would have been out in front and with the likely damage to the spindle there wasn't much that could be done on a Sunday anyway. The coach is in Zeb Frady's good hands and if I get a post mortem other than "the bearing froze" I'll pass it along to increase the group knowledge.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year [message #119452 is a reply to message #119449] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 13:47 |
James Hupy
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This note applies to all GMCers East or West that have had rear wheel
bearing failure in the recent past. We have seen a big change in the shape
of the inner wheel bearing seal metal ring. In the past, the ring was
radiused considerably more on the side towards the bearings and when
installed properly, no interference between the inner bearing and the seal
occurred. The newest production seals do not have as much radius and when
installed too deeply will contact the bearings a slight amount. Not enough
to keep the wheel from turning, but enough to have the bearing cage scrape
on the seal and make an emulsion of hardened bearing cage, seal metal and
grease, not unlike grinding compound. This leads to catastrophic bearing
failure in short order. After you install the drum assembly and turn it and
adjust the brakes, the dragging drum masks the sound of the seal dragging on
the bearing. The way to prevent this is to compare the old seal with the new
one and go back to your supplier and get the correct seal. Generally
speaking, you have to remove the old seal to take the bearings out for
cleaning and inspection. Clean the inside of the old seal and check for
signs of rubbing on the seal and the bearing cage. Check it twice, fix it
once.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC Royale 403
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Stick Miller wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 13:42
> > Jeremy - looks like I'm not able to see the first of this message but
> apparently you broke down. I really hate that. You had quite a number of
> passengers to take care of. We probably ought to swap cell phone numbers at
> the end of a rally so if anyone gets in trouble, they can at least let
> others know.
>
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> Thanks Stick. It was good to meet you. We did freeze a rear bearing (last
> wheel, passenger side) on I-85 north of Atlanta. Had to rent a minivan and
> load up the family and animals to come the rest of the way. These things
> happen, although I think this one is a bit odd. I wouldn't have expected to
> have no warning it was going to fail. Now I didn't use the infared heat gun
> on the wheel on the way home, but I did check it at a gas stop on the way to
> the rally and saw no major temp variation from the other wheels.
>
> The idea for exchanging phone numbers is good, but we carry the Black List
> and that usually has your best bet. We were the last ones to leave the
> campground as I'm sure you can remember how much longer it takes to get
> going with a toddler! Everyone would have been out in front and with the
> likely damage to the spindle there wasn't much that could be done on a
> Sunday anyway. The coach is in Zeb Frady's good hands and if I get a post
> mortem other than "the bearing froze" I'll pass it along to increase the
> group knowledge.
> --
> Thanks,
> Jeremy Knezek
> 1976 Glenbrook
> Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year [message #119456 is a reply to message #119452] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 14:30 |
Mr ERFisher
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this should not happen
Here is a version of the bad seal problem
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5621
and
I would have all of the rear wheels checked, most often, a rear wheel
bearing is lost because it was installed too tight.
have all the others checked also
gene
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:47 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> This note applies to all GMCers East or West that have had rear wheel
> bearing failure in the recent past. We have seen a big change in the shape
> of the inner wheel bearing seal metal ring. In the past, the ring was
> radiused considerably more on the side towards the bearings and when
> installed properly, no interference between the inner bearing and the seal
> occurred. The newest production seals do not have as much radius and when
> installed too deeply will contact the bearings a slight amount. Not enough
> to keep the wheel from turning, but enough to have the bearing cage scrape
> on the seal and make an emulsion of hardened bearing cage, seal metal and
> grease, not unlike grinding compound. This leads to catastrophic bearing
> failure in short order. After you install the drum assembly and turn it and
> adjust the brakes, the dragging drum masks the sound of the seal dragging
> on
> the bearing. The way to prevent this is to compare the old seal with the
> new
> one and go back to your supplier and get the correct seal. Generally
> speaking, you have to remove the old seal to take the bearings out for
> cleaning and inspection. Clean the inside of the old seal and check for
> signs of rubbing on the seal and the bearing cage. Check it twice, fix it
> once.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 GMC Royale 403
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> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Jeremy <jtknezek@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Stick Miller wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 13:42
> > > Jeremy - looks like I'm not able to see the first of this message but
> > apparently you broke down. I really hate that. You had quite a number of
> > passengers to take care of. We probably ought to swap cell phone numbers
> at
> > the end of a rally so if anyone gets in trouble, they can at least let
> > others know.
> >
> >
> > Thanks Stick. It was good to meet you. We did freeze a rear bearing (last
> > wheel, passenger side) on I-85 north of Atlanta. Had to rent a minivan
> and
> > load up the family and animals to come the rest of the way. These things
> > happen, although I think this one is a bit odd. I wouldn't have expected
> to
> > have no warning it was going to fail. Now I didn't use the infared heat
> gun
> > on the wheel on the way home, but I did check it at a gas stop on the way
> to
> > the rally and saw no major temp variation from the other wheels.
> >
> > The idea for exchanging phone numbers is good, but we carry the Black
> List
> > and that usually has your best bet. We were the last ones to leave the
> > campground as I'm sure you can remember how much longer it takes to get
> > going with a toddler! Everyone would have been out in front and with the
> > likely damage to the spindle there wasn't much that could be done on a
> > Sunday anyway. The coach is in Zeb Frady's good hands and if I get a post
> > mortem other than "the bearing froze" I'll pass it along to increase the
> > group knowledge.
> > --
> > Thanks,
> > Jeremy Knezek
> > 1976 Glenbrook
> > Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year [message #119458 is a reply to message #119440] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 15:18 |
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Dennis,
I heard some noise "down the back" when Helen and I were traveling with
Chuck and Cathy Boyd on the way to DuQuoin. Bob Price noticed a lot of noise
coming from the DRIVERS side rear wheel as we pulled into our spot at
DuQuoin. When I pulled the brake drum a bunch of brake shoe parts fell out
so I thought that was the problem and repaired it. I took Double Trouble for
a short test drive inside the fairgrounds just to make sure the brakes
worked and never heard anything as I didn't go faster than 25mph.
As pulled out of the fairgrounds heading for Dan and Teri's place in Dexter
and got up to highway speed I heard noise from down the back again, however,
it was not the same noise. It sounded like a bearing on its way out. I kept
listening but it didn't get any louder. When we got to Dexter Dan drove
Double Trouble I listened closely and found the noise coming from the
passenger side.
It was the wheel bearing on the passenger middle wheel; you could see that
the bearing was heat damaged. I pulled the drivers side and found evidence
of the same thing so it got replaced too.
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Sexton
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:35 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year
Jeremy,
Sorry to hear of your mechanical problems. I believe at least one GMCer lost
a rear wheel in the last few years because of bearing failure. Please let us
know of any post mortem -- maybe we can all learn from your experience. I
recall DanG and perhaps Rob both suffered bearing failures -- but not so
catastrophic -- just lots of noise and such.
Regards,
Dennis
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Thank you. Chuck Boyd also has one strut already made, so now I'm up to 3 of
4. Of course, the coach didn't survive the trip back from Eastern States.
Froze a rear bearing coming south on I-85 about 25 miles north of Atlanta.
Coach is at Southland (Zeb Frady's shop). Was odd because I didn't have any
warning. No whining, jolting, screeching, nothing until it just let go with
a big jolt and some black smoke. Almost tore the wheel off the coach. Was
very fortunate that I didn't cause an accident since people in Atlanta drive
like donkeys. I'm belching smoke in the second lane from the right shoulder
and had to go a couple hundred yards while some idiot happily sat in my
blind spot instead of moving out of the way. Was waiting to see the wheel go
rolling past me...
Took Coachnet 5.5 hours to get a landoll out to us, and we didn't get home
in a rental car until about 1 a.m. My wife and my baby daughter were pretty
unhappy. I grease those bogies religiously and had the bearings repacked by
a GMC shop less than 4yrs and 15K miles ago. Pretty disappointing.
Anyway, thanks for the Unistrut. I'm still planning to be at Bean
Station.[/quote]
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Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Germantown, TN
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year [message #119460 is a reply to message #119458] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 15:23 |
Dennis S
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Rob,
Thank you. Much more what one would have expected to hear and or have occur with bearing failure.
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA
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From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Mon, Mar 21, 2011 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year
Dennis,
I heard some noise "down the back" when Helen and I were traveling with
huck and Cathy Boyd on the way to DuQuoin. Bob Price noticed a lot of noise
oming from the DRIVERS side rear wheel as we pulled into our spot at
uQuoin. When I pulled the brake drum a bunch of brake shoe parts fell out
o I thought that was the problem and repaired it. I took Double Trouble for
short test drive inside the fairgrounds just to make sure the brakes
orked and never heard anything as I didn't go faster than 25mph.
As pulled out of the fairgrounds heading for Dan and Teri's place in Dexter
nd got up to highway speed I heard noise from down the back again, however,
t was not the same noise. It sounded like a bearing on its way out. I kept
istening but it didn't get any louder. When we got to Dexter Dan drove
ouble Trouble I listened closely and found the noise coming from the
assenger side.
It was the wheel bearing on the passenger middle wheel; you could see that
he bearing was heat damaged. I pulled the drivers side and found evidence
f the same thing so it got replaced too.
Regards,
ob M.
SAussie - Downunder
US '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
SA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
----Original Message-----
rom: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Dennis Sexton
ent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 4:35 AM
o: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
ubject: Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year
Jeremy,
Sorry to hear of your mechanical problems. I believe at least one GMCer lost
rear wheel in the last few years because of bearing failure. Please let us
now of any post mortem -- maybe we can all learn from your experience. I
ecall DanG and perhaps Rob both suffered bearing failures -- but not so
atastrophic -- just lots of noise and such.
Regards,
ennis
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hank you. Chuck Boyd also has one strut already made, so now I'm up to 3 of
. Of course, the coach didn't survive the trip back from Eastern States.
roze a rear bearing coming south on I-85 about 25 miles north of Atlanta.
Coach is at Southland (Zeb Frady's shop). Was odd because I didn't have any
arning. No whining, jolting, screeching, nothing until it just let go with
big jolt and some black smoke. Almost tore the wheel off the coach. Was
ery fortunate that I didn't cause an accident since people in Atlanta drive
ike donkeys. I'm belching smoke in the second lane from the right shoulder
nd had to go a couple hundred yards while some idiot happily sat in my
lind spot instead of moving out of the way. Was waiting to see the wheel go
olling past me...
Took Coachnet 5.5 hours to get a landoll out to us, and we didn't get home
n a rental car until about 1 a.m. My wife and my baby daughter were pretty
nhappy. I grease those bogies religiously and had the bearings repacked by
GMC shop less than 4yrs and 15K miles ago. Pretty disappointing.
Anyway, thanks for the Unistrut. I'm still planning to be at Bean
tation.[/quote]
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ennis S
3 Painted Desert 230
ermantown, TN
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| Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year [message #119461 is a reply to message #118770] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 15:34 |
jknezek
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I wish I had heard some noise. I know I didn't just miss it because my wife was in the back trying to nap when it happened and she didn't hear anything unusual prior to failure. I guess we were just unlucky. I'll have Southland look at all the bearings. Funny, it's actually one of the jobs I have learned to do myself but hadn't planned on needing for a while. Of course, since it crashed out instead of stopping before the failure, it's not quite as simple as just replacing and repacking and checking over the brakes. On the upside, at least I'm in good hands.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year [message #119464 is a reply to message #119461] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 15:37 |
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Jeremy,
The bearing that failed on Double Trouble had traces of red grease which I
assumed to be Mobil 1.
I used Valvoline Synpower when I replaced the bearings. I intend to use it
on the rears when I replace the bearings.
I also will be pulling the front bearings and replacing the Mobil 1 with it
too.
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 7:35 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year
I wish I had heard some noise. I know I didn't just miss it because my wife
was in the back trying to nap when it happened and she didn't hear anything
unusual prior to failure. I guess we were just unlucky. I'll have Southland
look at all the bearings. Funny, it's actually one of the jobs I have
learned to do myself but hadn't planned on needing for a while. Of course,
since it crashed out instead of stopping before the failure, it's not quite
as simple as just replacing and repacking and checking over the brakes. On
the upside, at least I'm in good hands.
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Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year [message #119470 is a reply to message #119464] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 17:16 |
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WD0AFQ
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Dang it Jeremy, I hate that for you. Dennis has a good memory. We had a bearing going out north of Dothan, year before last. Teri heard the noise and made me stop. We had the one on pass side, front, going out from lack of grease. Don't know why. Could find no leak. I checked the other three then and repacked all. Teri and I do not listen to the stereo going down the road, we listen to the coach.
You are in good hands with Zeb. Glad you were close enough to go there.
I blame Rob for us having the new rear discs. I drove his with only front rear disc brakes. I could not believe it. I knew at that point if I could make it to Jim's in Fremont we were going to get the whole ball of wax, that included the reaction arm. I got better brakes than Rob now.
Let us know what Zeb finds. I am sure he is aware of the bad rear seals out there now. Thanks to Rob, I have 5 seals that are good, as spares from NAPA.
dan
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355 FD/Quad Bag/Alum Radiator Manny Tran/New eng.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Eastern States and the first trip of the year [message #119474 is a reply to message #119470] |
Mon, 21 March 2011 17:53 |
jknezek
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| WD0AFQ wrote on Mon, 21 March 2011 18:16 |
Dennis has a good memory. We had a bearing going out north of Dothan, year before last.
dan
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I remember that. Didn't you get some kids to help you in a Walmart parking lot? Sure wish we had heard some noise. Oh well, done is done. I'll pass along what I learn.
Thanks,
Jeremy Knezek
1976 Glenbrook
Birmingham, AL
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