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| PC & being on-topic [message #116021] |
Mon, 21 February 2011 20:28  |
jayrabe
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Modeling what I consider to be appropriate behavior and starting a new thread when the topic has significantly deviated from original...
My 2c:
I consider this forum and all similar ones really about community. We are a bunch of people who otherwise might never meet each other, let alone hang out, but for our shared love for the GMCMH.
So now here we are together, and IMO regardless that the original purpose of our forming was to discuss the GMC, still what we are is a family, and making some subjects taboo at the dinner table is not the way to handle it.
If you're a member of the community, and there's something that seriously concerns you that you want to share/rant about, I say let's hear it. How else are we going to get to know each other short of rallys which many of us can't attend? I have no problem using the delete key if things drag on. Heck I already delete over half the posts I get every day for not being immediately relevant to where I'm at with my coach/budget.
Personally don't see a problem with off-topic/political posts. Maybe because I generally agree with them. LOL
J "Just sharing my off-GMC-topic opinion"
76 PB
Portland, OR
P.S. And on the subject of the delete key, I've learned that if a thread continues for a long time, chances are good that the subject has deviated, so I have learned to read at least a few of the longer threads even if I really don't care about the stated subject, just so I don't miss something important (to me).
So here's a request to everyone to please remember to start a new topic - the way things get distracted now, it's painful or impossible to find anything in a search of the archives.
J
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116061 is a reply to message #116021] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 02:00  |
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J,
I agree, however, it is my experience that people will "say" things to
people over the Internet that they NEVER would say face to face. I have read
it has something to do with the anonymity of the Internet.
This is compounded by the fact that a lot of the contributors here have
never met adds to that phenomenon.
"Things" get pretty passionate around here when a subject drifts in a
political direction.
However, in comparison to some forums I've visited this place is TAME!
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:28 PM
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Subject: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic
Modeling what I consider to be appropriate behavior and starting a new
thread when the topic has significantly deviated from original...
:)
My 2c:
I consider this forum and all similar ones really about community. We are a
bunch of people who otherwise might never meet each other, let alone hang
out, but for our shared love for the GMCMH.
So now here we are together, and IMO regardless that the original purpose of
our forming was to discuss the GMC, still what we are is a family, and
making some subjects taboo at the dinner table is not the way to handle it.
If you're a member of the community, and there's something that seriously
concerns you that you want to share/rant about, I say let's hear it. How
else are we going to get to know each other short of rallys which many of us
can't attend? I have no problem using the delete key if things drag on. Heck
I already delete over half the posts I get every day for not being
immediately relevant to where I'm at with my coach/budget.
Personally don't see a problem with off-topic/political posts. Maybe because
I generally agree with them. LOL
J "Just sharing my off-GMC-topic opinion"
76 PB
Portland, OR
P.S. And on the subject of the delete key, I've learned that if a thread
continues for a long time, chances are good that the subject has deviated,
so I have learned to read at least a few of the longer threads even if I
really don't care about the stated subject, just so I don't miss something
important (to me).
So here's a request to everyone to please remember to start a new topic -
the way things get distracted now, it's painful or impossible to find
anything in a search of the archives.
J
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116081 is a reply to message #116061] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 10:08 |
Ken Burton
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The language and discussion here is very tame compared to several other forums that I belong to on the internet. I prefer that it stay that way.
Yes, I / we wander off topic occasionally but most know when to stop the discussion before it really gets out of hand. If we don't, then Patrick will stop it for us.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116088 is a reply to message #116021] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 10:55 |
Patrick Flowers
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On Mon, February 21, 2011 9:28 pm, Jay Rabe wrote:
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> My 2c:
> I consider this forum and all similar ones really about community. We are
> a bunch of people who otherwise might never meet each other, let alone
> hang out, but for our shared love for the GMCMH.
>
> So now here we are together, and IMO regardless that the original purpose
> of our forming was to discuss the GMC, still what we are is a family, and
> making some subjects taboo at the dinner table is not the way to handle
> it.
For the sake of brevity - I'll cut to the point. This is an internet
discuss group for GMC Motorhomes. The level of traffic generated by the
on-topic posts is more than many older members care to handle already.
I've been travelling since Friday and I'm already looking at over 700
emails. There are many owners that bought these coaches in the 70's are
just aren't willing to put up with the traffic. That's a tremendous drain
on the knowledge base.
When we first transitioned to a dedicated server, we tried an off-topic
list as a test vehicle. It worked well to test the server, but I
certainly didn't think that it added anything to the "community". If
anything, it reinforced my opinion of the "poison" that these subjects
introduce into a technically based forum.
I didn't come up with these rules on a whim. They came from my
participation in dozens of email and nntp discussion groups for years
before I started my own. I saw what worked and what didn't.
It's a big internet with lots of places to talk politics if that's your
bent. There's no compelling reason for this to be one of them.
Patrick
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116090 is a reply to message #116088] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 10:59 |
Gary Worobec
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Well said Patrick
Thanks
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: <patrick@gmcmotorhome.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic
>
> On Mon, February 21, 2011 9:28 pm, Jay Rabe wrote:
>>
>> My 2c:
>> I consider this forum and all similar ones really about community. We are
>> a bunch of people who otherwise might never meet each other, let alone
>> hang out, but for our shared love for the GMCMH.
>>
>> So now here we are together, and IMO regardless that the original purpose
>> of our forming was to discuss the GMC, still what we are is a family, and
>> making some subjects taboo at the dinner table is not the way to handle
>> it.
>
> For the sake of brevity - I'll cut to the point. This is an internet
> discuss group for GMC Motorhomes. The level of traffic generated by the
> on-topic posts is more than many older members care to handle already.
> I've been travelling since Friday and I'm already looking at over 700
> emails. There are many owners that bought these coaches in the 70's are
> just aren't willing to put up with the traffic. That's a tremendous drain
> on the knowledge base.
>
> When we first transitioned to a dedicated server, we tried an off-topic
> list as a test vehicle. It worked well to test the server, but I
> certainly didn't think that it added anything to the "community". If
> anything, it reinforced my opinion of the "poison" that these subjects
> introduce into a technically based forum.
>
> I didn't come up with these rules on a whim. They came from my
> participation in dozens of email and nntp discussion groups for years
> before I started my own. I saw what worked and what didn't.
>
> It's a big internet with lots of places to talk politics if that's your
> bent. There's no compelling reason for this to be one of them.
>
> Patrick
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116094 is a reply to message #116088] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 11:40 |
Sandra Price
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Patrick, I take issue with your statement about discussions adding "poison"
to the forum... However, I am in no way advocating changing your standards
for the forum.
Sandra Price
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:31 AM, <patrick@gmcmotorhome.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, February 21, 2011 9:28 pm, Jay Rabe wrote:
> >
> > My 2c:
> > I consider this forum and all similar ones really about community. We are
> > a bunch of people who otherwise might never meet each other, let alone
> > hang out, but for our shared love for the GMCMH.
> >
> > So now here we are together, and IMO regardless that the original purpose
> > of our forming was to discuss the GMC, still what we are is a family, and
> > making some subjects taboo at the dinner table is not the way to handle
> > it.
>
> For the sake of brevity - I'll cut to the point. This is an internet
> discuss group for GMC Motorhomes. The level of traffic generated by the
> on-topic posts is more than many older members care to handle already.
> I've been travelling since Friday and I'm already looking at over 700
> emails. There are many owners that bought these coaches in the 70's are
> just aren't willing to put up with the traffic. That's a tremendous drain
> on the knowledge base.
>
> When we first transitioned to a dedicated server, we tried an off-topic
> list as a test vehicle. It worked well to test the server, but I
> certainly didn't think that it added anything to the "community". If
> anything, it reinforced my opinion of the "poison" that these subjects
> introduce into a technically based forum.
>
> I didn't come up with these rules on a whim. They came from my
> participation in dozens of email and nntp discussion groups for years
> before I started my own. I saw what worked and what didn't.
>
> It's a big internet with lots of places to talk politics if that's your
> bent. There's no compelling reason for this to be one of them.
>
> Patrick
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> '73 CanyonLands
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116100 is a reply to message #116094] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 12:55 |
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Sandra, that's certainly your perogative, but it doesn't agree with my
experience. I've seen it happen too many times.
Patrick
On Tue, February 22, 2011 12:40 pm, Sandra Price wrote:
> Patrick, I take issue with your statement about discussions adding
> "poison"
> to the forum... However, I am in no way advocating changing your
> standards
> for the forum.
>
> Sandra Price
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116104 is a reply to message #116094] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 13:24 |
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Sandra, since the mid 90's my experience with off topic threads, in
particular, Politics Sex and Religion, were the root cause for the
failure of 4 of my favorite forums. Those threads pretty much acted like
a Poison pill.
At first there were just one or two off topics, then it grew, before
long the Forums were like Water coolers, nothing about Woodworking or
Diesel Engines or what ever the original intent of the Forum, just lots
of bad jokes, Political etc opinions with foul language as passions
rose. Not pretty, therefore I agree with Patrick.
JMHO
Richard
On 2/22/2011 12:40 PM, Sandra Price wrote:
> Patrick, I take issue with your statement about discussions adding "poison"
> to the forum... However, I am in no way advocating changing your standards
> for the forum.
>
> Sandra Price
> On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:31 AM,<patrick@gmcmotorhome.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, February 21, 2011 9:28 pm, Jay Rabe wrote:
>>> My 2c:
>>> I consider this forum and all similar ones really about community. We are
>>> a bunch of people who otherwise might never meet each other, let alone
>>> hang out, but for our shared love for the GMCMH.
>>>
>>> So now here we are together, and IMO regardless that the original purpose
>>> of our forming was to discuss the GMC, still what we are is a family, and
>>> making some subjects taboo at the dinner table is not the way to handle
>>> it.
>> For the sake of brevity - I'll cut to the point. This is an internet
>> discuss group for GMC Motorhomes. The level of traffic generated by the
>> on-topic posts is more than many older members care to handle already.
>> I've been travelling since Friday and I'm already looking at over 700
>> emails. There are many owners that bought these coaches in the 70's are
>> just aren't willing to put up with the traffic. That's a tremendous drain
>> on the knowledge base.
>>
>> When we first transitioned to a dedicated server, we tried an off-topic
>> list as a test vehicle. It worked well to test the server, but I
>> certainly didn't think that it added anything to the "community". If
>> anything, it reinforced my opinion of the "poison" that these subjects
>> introduce into a technically based forum.
>>
>> I didn't come up with these rules on a whim. They came from my
>> participation in dozens of email and nntp discussion groups for years
>> before I started my own. I saw what worked and what didn't.
>>
>> It's a big internet with lots of places to talk politics if that's your
>> bent. There's no compelling reason for this to be one of them.
>>
>> Patrick
>> --
>> GMCnet Listmaster
>> '73 CanyonLands
>> Tyrone GA
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116107 is a reply to message #116104] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 14:01 |
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I am NOT a fan of censorship on any level, but one the lessons I learned
early in life is that a gentleman (or lady) does not discuss religion
or politics in civilized conservation. In short, I agree with Patrick, et al
(and besides, it is HIS server, HIS list and HIS expense, so he can make
and enforce any rules he likes (we are, in effect, guests in his "house"
and should behave as such.
On 2/22/2011 11:24 AM, Richard MacDonald wrote:
> Sandra, since the mid 90's my experience with off topic threads, in
> particular, Politics Sex and Religion, were the root cause for the
> failure of 4 of my favorite forums. Those threads pretty much acted like
> a Poison pill.
> At first there were just one or two off topics, then it grew, before
> long the Forums were like Water coolers, nothing about Woodworking or
> Diesel Engines or what ever the original intent of the Forum, just lots
> of bad jokes, Political etc opinions with foul language as passions
> rose. Not pretty, therefore I agree with Patrick.
> JMHO
> Richard
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116109 is a reply to message #116107] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 14:30 |
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Regarding censorship on politics and religion, I don't see this as a problem on this site; it is primarily a tech site and adding other things to it, just muddies the water. It makes it more difficult for the members to cover all the tech issues that are brought up, so keep it off here and thanks Patrick.
Re politics and religion in polite company, I'm a gentleman and often participate in these discussions in a public/private forum w/o going bonkers on either one. It is great to discuss our differences in this way.
geo groth '73 260 Sequoia
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116110 is a reply to message #116107] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 14:30 |
Larry C
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it is HIS server, HIS list and HIS expense, so he can make
and enforce any rules he likes
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I thought we were all active contributors to the cause? I know I am. Anytime a thread goes over 10 to 20 responses, it is guaranteed to go off topic. It happens in the flow of converstation where someone thinks of something remotely relevant to something that might have had something to do with the topic, or not even releveant to the topic but ties in with the GMC.
What are you gonna do, limit the amount of responses to control off topic strings..... I don't think that is a good idea.
And placing a blatant wall to stop any conversation that is not directly relevant to the GMC is not possible, though some do bust in there with some silly comment " what does this have to do with a GMC ". Whatever good that may bring.
There are a lot of people on this board, many have hard secured ideas of how things should be done, others have soft ideas that waver a little here and there. Others just don't remember and start talking about something different.
This board has stayed on track, pretty much most the time, in fact I think it is silly that this has even been brought back up again. I have not seen any blatant posts recently, though now that I said that I'll probably find a slew of them.
As for the archives, I have to be honest, anytime I try to search info out of the archive, I have a 1 in 10 chance of finding it, if it comes up at all. For all intensive purposes, there is no archive. there is no structure to the titles of the strings and parts of the archive appearantly get lost permanently.
One thing that comes up is REPEAT TOPICS. Again if it could be searched, it may not repeat and the repeat topics seem to come 3 fold or more, thats a lot of server space too.
This may not be a perfect forum, but it isn't a bad one and it is still doing quite well, in my eyes.
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116112 is a reply to message #116109] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 14:40 |
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But the trouble is that many of us get every post ever placed sent to us in email. It's totally overwhelming, just as-is.
I'm also a mailing list admin for a few organizations. The thing we are protecting is the knowledge base. If a lot of people start bailing from the list because it's too noisy, there will be fewer people to contribute knowledge, especially when you have a specific issue and you'd like to hear from someone with the right experience. If they leave the list, you won't reach them.
DC
On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:30 PM, George Groth wrote:
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>
> Regarding censorship on politics and religion, I don't see this as a problem on this site; it is primarily a tech site and adding other things to it, just muddies the water. It makes it more difficult for the members to cover all the tech issues that are brought up, so keep it off here and thanks Patrick.
> Re politics and religion in polite company, I'm a gentleman and often participate in these discussions in a public/private forum w/o going bonkers on either one. It is great to discuss our differences in this way.
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116113 is a reply to message #116107] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 15:00 |
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I have two cents too to inject into the thread: At 100+ posts a day, I have to pick and choose and skip a few. I often send late responses to the originator of the thread to keep others from having to read my overly worded and untimely responses.
I occasionally feel poisoned (emotionally) by political stuff and leave the forum for a few days. When I return, I have little choice but to delete messages that might be relevant to me as there are too many piled up and no time for reading. Don't get me wrong, I have loved explaining to my politically extremist brother-in-law why his politics was wrong, even when I agree with him! But after several decades of my bantering and after he figured out I took no positions and only questioned his, he stopped his political discussions and life got better for both of us.
I am glad a moderator has rules or will step in when someone is off topic to protect my time and distemper. I am not a closed eyed liberal, a closed eyed conservative, nor a disciple of the Marquis De Sade nor a wide eyed Anglican for Baha'i. But if I was one of these, I would not want my version of the truth to appear in this forum as it might be counter constructive in someone Else's eyes. I do think some stuff I deal with in my GMC is a suitable topic like LED's, sewage, or WiFi and others are not, like vitamins and laxatives. If I find my writing a piece raises my blood pressure, I delete it or put it in the "drafts" folder so I can evaluate my lack of prudence at a later date. I also delete or file and do not send rambling and irrelevant comments much like the stuff I cut out of this one.
Put me down with Terry as another supporter of being against off topic topics.
--- On Tue, 2/22/11, Terry Taylor <n6mon@pacbell.net> wrote:
From: Terry Taylor <n6mon@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 12:01 PM
I am NOT a fan of censorship on any level, but one the lessons I learned
early in life is that a gentleman (or lady) does not discuss religion
or politics in civilized conservation. In short, I agree with Patrick, et al
(and besides, it is HIS server, HIS list and HIS expense, so he can make
and enforce any rules he likes (we are, in effect, guests in his "house"
and should behave as such.
On 2/22/2011 11:24 AM, Richard MacDonald wrote:
> Sandra, since the mid 90's my experience with off topic threads, in
> particular, Politics Sex and Religion, were the root cause for the
> failure of 4 of my favorite forums. Those threads pretty much acted like
> a Poison pill.
> At first there were just one or two off topics, then it grew, before
> long the Forums were like Water coolers, nothing about Woodworking or
> Diesel Engines or what ever the original intent of the Forum, just lots
> of bad jokes, Political etc opinions with foul language as passions
> rose. Not pretty, therefore I agree with Patrick.
> JMHO
> Richard
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116131 is a reply to message #116113] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 18:08 |
Gary Worobec
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Hi,
Since I don't delete anything on the list there have been exactly 36,004
messages posted on this list since 4/24/2010 at 3:30 pm. I can't imagine the
"fun" that Patrick has monitoring all of this. It must be like being a
school principal.
Patrick, keep up the good work.
Also everybody, how about slipping Patrick a few bucks before tax time.
No shame here Patrick, please post your address or PayPal link for all of
us.
Thanks
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA
----- Original Messoage -----
From: "Douglas Norton" <nortocd@yahoo.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic
I have two cents too to inject into the thread: At 100+ posts a day, I have
to pick and choose and skip a few. I often send late responses to the
originator of the thread to keep others from having to read my overly worded
and untimely responses.
I occasionally feel poisoned (emotionally) by political stuff and leave the
forum for a few days. When I return, I have little choice but to delete
messages that might be relevant to me as there are too many piled up and no
time for reading. Don't get me wrong, I have loved explaining to my
politically extremist brother-in-law why his politics was wrong, even when I
agree with him! But after several decades of my bantering and after he
figured out I took no positions and only questioned his, he stopped his
political discussions and life got better for both of us.
I am glad a moderator has rules or will step in when someone is off topic to
protect my time and distemper. I am not a closed eyed liberal, a closed eyed
conservative, nor a disciple of the Marquis De Sade nor a wide eyed Anglican
for Baha'i. But if I was one of these, I would not want my version of the
truth to appear in this forum as it might be counter constructive in someone
Else's eyes. I do think some stuff I deal with in my GMC is a suitable topic
like LED's, sewage, or WiFi and others are not, like vitamins and laxatives.
If I find my writing a piece raises my blood pressure, I delete it or put it
in the "drafts" folder so I can evaluate my lack of prudence at a later
date. I also delete or file and do not send rambling and irrelevant comments
much like the stuff I cut out of this one.
Put me down with Terry as another supporter of being against off topic
topics.
--- On Tue, 2/22/11, Terry Taylor <n6mon@pacbell.net> wrote:
From: Terry Taylor <n6mon@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 12:01 PM
I am NOT a fan of censorship on any level, but one the lessons I learned
early in life is that a gentleman (or lady) does not discuss religion
or politics in civilized conservation. In short, I agree with Patrick, et al
(and besides, it is HIS server, HIS list and HIS expense, so he can make
and enforce any rules he likes (we are, in effect, guests in his "house"
and should behave as such.
On 2/22/2011 11:24 AM, Richard MacDonald wrote:
> Sandra, since the mid 90's my experience with off topic threads, in
> particular, Politics Sex and Religion, were the root cause for the
> failure of 4 of my favorite forums. Those threads pretty much acted like
> a Poison pill.
> At first there were just one or two off topics, then it grew, before
> long the Forums were like Water coolers, nothing about Woodworking or
> Diesel Engines or what ever the original intent of the Forum, just lots
> of bad jokes, Political etc opinions with foul language as passions
> rose. Not pretty, therefore I agree with Patrick.
> JMHO
> Richard
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| Re: PC & being on-topic [message #116133 is a reply to message #116021] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 18:44 |
Chr$
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This is where the email list has a major weakness.
1. People get overwhelmed by the qty of messages.
2. People reply all and change the subject, but don't realize the rest of us see the original topic name with the hijacked subject.
3. What's worse, the forum uses see split threads (very hard to follow a topic when this happens, and you get "branches" of topics.
4. yes, it is nearly impossible to search, so topics get rehashed ad nauseum.
5. Larry is correct in that this board pretty much stays on topic. I don't see what all the fuss is about, but I use the forum, so I can generally pick what topics I want to follow and ignore the rest without having to open messages.
I'm probably the most vocal about ditching the mail list, but It really is time to go forum only. It would really open up this board to better thread management, off-topic discussions, and the photos right here, and easy to link to. The way we do it now with two sites is really clunky, and I am a tech savvy guy, I wonder how all the non-techie folks here feel.
We all make major changes to our GMC's, but resist changing the portal where we all communicate...
To me, the setup right now is sort of like using a dial telephone and having to ask the operator to place a long distance call...
my two cents.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116136 is a reply to message #116133] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 18:50 |
Gary Worobec
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Chris, totally disagree. Much easier to do a sort on a specific topic
through the email list. Click on a name or a topic and you can quickly see
what is going on.
My 2 cents.
Thanks
Gary and Joanne Worobec
1973 GMC Glacier
Anza, CA
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Choffat" <cchoffataz@yahoo.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic
>
>
> This is where the email list has a major weakness.
> 1. People get overwhelmed by the qty of messages.
> 2. People reply all and change the subject, but don't realize the rest of
> us see the original topic name with the hijacked subject.
> 3. What's worse, the forum uses see split threads (very hard to follow a
> topic when this happens, and you get "branches" of topics.
> 4. yes, it is nearly impossible to search, so topics get rehashed ad
> nauseum.
> 5. Larry is correct in that this board pretty much stays on topic. I don't
> see what all the fuss is about, but I use the forum, so I can generally
> pick what topics I want to follow and ignore the rest without having to
> open messages.
>
> I'm probably the most vocal about ditching the mail list, but It really is
> time to go forum only. It would really open up this board to better thread
> management, off-topic discussions, and the photos right here, and easy to
> link to. The way we do it now with two sites is really clunky, and I am a
> tech savvy guy, I wonder how all the non-techie folks here feel.
>
> We all make major changes to our GMC's, but resist changing the portal
> where we all communicate...
>
> To me, the setup right now is sort of like using a dial telephone and
> having to ask the operator to place a long distance call...
>
> my two cents.
> --
> -Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
> 77 Ex-Kingsley 455, Power Drive, 3:21 FD, Quadra bag. The Engineer's
> Motorhome
> Scottsdale, AZ
>
> Photosite: Chrisc "It has Begun"
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116138 is a reply to message #116136] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 18:56 |
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Me Too!
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Worobec" <gtw5@earthlink.net>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:50 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic
> Chris, totally disagree. Much easier to do a sort on a specific topic
> through the email list. Click on a name or a topic and you can quickly see
> what is going on.
>
> My 2 cents.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gary and Joanne Worobec
> 1973 GMC Glacier
> Anza, CA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Choffat" <cchoffataz@yahoo.com>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic
>
>
>>
>>
>> This is where the email list has a major weakness.
>> 1. People get overwhelmed by the qty of messages.
>> 2. People reply all and change the subject, but don't realize the rest of
>> us see the original topic name with the hijacked subject.
>> 3. What's worse, the forum uses see split threads (very hard to follow a
>> topic when this happens, and you get "branches" of topics.
>> 4. yes, it is nearly impossible to search, so topics get rehashed ad
>> nauseum.
>> 5. Larry is correct in that this board pretty much stays on topic. I
>> don't
>> see what all the fuss is about, but I use the forum, so I can generally
>> pick what topics I want to follow and ignore the rest without having to
>> open messages.
>>
>> I'm probably the most vocal about ditching the mail list, but It really
>> is
>> time to go forum only. It would really open up this board to better
>> thread
>> management, off-topic discussions, and the photos right here, and easy to
>> link to. The way we do it now with two sites is really clunky, and I am a
>> tech savvy guy, I wonder how all the non-techie folks here feel.
>>
>> We all make major changes to our GMC's, but resist changing the portal
>> where we all communicate...
>>
>> To me, the setup right now is sort of like using a dial telephone and
>> having to ask the operator to place a long distance call...
>>
>> my two cents.
>> --
>> -Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
>> 77 Ex-Kingsley 455, Power Drive, 3:21 FD, Quadra bag. The Engineer's
>> Motorhome
>> Scottsdale, AZ
>>
>> Photosite: Chrisc "It has Begun"
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] PC & being on-topic [message #116150 is a reply to message #116133] |
Tue, 22 February 2011 20:59 |
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On Feb 22, 2011, at 5:44 PM, Chris Choffat wrote:
>
>
> This is where the email list has a major weakness.
> 1. People get overwhelmed by the qty of messages.
> 2. People reply all and change the subject, but don't realize the rest of us see the original topic name with the hijacked subject.
> 3. What's worse, the forum uses see split threads (very hard to follow a topic when this happens, and you get "branches" of topics.
> 4. yes, it is nearly impossible to search, so topics get rehashed ad nauseum.
> 5. Larry is correct in that this board pretty much stays on topic. I don't see what all the fuss is about, but I use the forum, so I can generally pick what topics I want to follow and ignore the rest without having to open messages.
>
> I'm probably the most vocal about ditching the mail list, but It really is time to go forum only. It would really open up this board to better thread management, off-topic discussions, and the photos right here, and easy to link to. The way we do it now with two sites is really clunky, and I am a tech savvy guy, I wonder how all the non-techie folks here feel.
>
> We all make major changes to our GMC's, but resist changing the portal where we all communicate...
>
> To me, the setup right now is sort of like using a dial telephone and having to ask the operator to place a long distance call...
>
> my two cents.
> --
> -Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
> 77 Ex-Kingsley 455, Power Drive, 3:21 FD, Quadra bag. The Engineer's Motorhome
> Scottsdale, AZ
>
> Photosite: Chrisc "It has Begun"
>
My two cents is that I like the mailing list. Besides if that were eliminated that would also eliminate the forum unless the forum makes major changes as the forum gets its input from the mailing list.
With the mailing list I can have my email program automatically move things to different mail boxes so I can look at them at my leisure. It also will toss some directly into trash which I can designate at my wishes.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
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