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yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113024] Tue, 25 January 2011 01:26 Go to next message
Duce Apocalypse is currently offline  Duce Apocalypse   United States
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I just bought one of these super quiet gens, will run 12 hrs on a gallon of gas. I wanna be able to run it inside. This would especially be useful if it were raining outside. It seems all I would need to do is vent the exhaust to the outside? Any ideas?

73 Canyon Lands, (a.k.a. The Yellow Submarine) West Los Angeles CA
Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113027 is a reply to message #113024] Tue, 25 January 2011 01:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Shan,

Venting the exhaust outside would handle the stuff that would kill you
(obviously), however, how would you handle the heat radiated from the engine
and generator?

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I just bought one of these super quiet gens, will run 12 hrs on a gallon of
gas. I wanna be able to run it inside. This would especially be useful if it
were raining outside. It seems all I would need to do is vent the exhaust to
the outside? Any ideas?
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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113030 is a reply to message #113024] Tue, 25 January 2011 06:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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> I just bought one of these super quiet gens, will run 12 hrs on a gallon of gas. I wanna be able to run it inside. This would especially be useful if it were raining outside. It seems all I would need to do is vent the exhaust to the outside? Any ideas?

Shan;

I'm a big fan of those Yamaha gennies. I've probably bought a couple dozen of them over the past 15 years for work [fire dept] and they've been flawless. The only proviso is to ensure you turn the fuel off before transporting as they're very prone to flooding from the vibration of being carried down the road.

but you've set yourself a very technical, and potentially dangerous, goal if not executed near perfectly.

when you say inside, do you mean in the generator bay, or right inside the coach. my comments below refer to an interior approach. even if you meant in the current gennie bay, the removal of heat from the engine is probably the major issue as well as getting the exhaust extended out from under the coach.

Being able to set the generator up to safely run inside your coach is quite a challenge.

exhaust is just part of it. every part of the engine exhaust has to be perfect, of course, from the cylinder head on out.

getting the exhaust through the side of the coach requires a fair bit of thought, too. I've been to quite a few fires over the years where generator exhaust [900+ degrees at times] has ignited walls and materials too close to the exhaust piping. In a building, the safe setback is about 8 inches in radius from the exhaust pipe, with noncombustible materials within that range. Below the beltline, our coaches are sheet moulded compound which is, of course, quite combustible when exposed to high heat in a prolonged situation.

heat soaking is another. inside your coach would take on a fair bit of heat as the flywheel fan pushes air across the engine.

oxygen consumption of the interior air will occur at a much greater rate than some other heat sources.

The fire fighter in me discourages the idea unless you can more than address these issues.

my first thought is to leave the gennie outside and build a rain cover for it if you feel the need to protect it from the elements.

Deputy Chief Scott, Sudbury, ON, Canada


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Re: yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113037 is a reply to message #113024] Tue, 25 January 2011 07:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Please read <scott cowden wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 07:27> on this thread.

Scott, thank you for saving me a lot of writing time.

Pleasure boat people keep trying to do this and the results are never good. Some have been tragic.

If these units are not listed rain-proof (my 35yo Honda is not), make a rain cover.
Get a long enough pigtail so you can place the unit where it will not spill exhaust back into the coach living spaces. (This make take several tries if you are not a sailor.)
Have a working CO detector (a good idea anyway).

If you think read all this and think it all through, you will understand how dangerous all this stuff is but you can do it with enough safety margin.

Someone told me once that we start out life with an empty bag for experience and a full bag of luck. The big trick is to not run the luck bag dry before the experience bag is full.

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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113047 is a reply to message #113030] Tue, 25 January 2011 09:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Scott, thanks for your input, my father was also a fireman, he was captain of the treasure island fire dept back in the 80's. soI can definately appreciate the input from someone in your field. Basically the desire to run the unit inside is more for ease of use, and I know would be somewhat of a challenge but not impossible. first I should state the model, it is a yamaha EF2000iS shown here http://www.yamahagenerators.com/yamaha_generator_ef2000is_pr_51.html which is a small hand portable gen, it weighs only 44# so I can carry this thing around with 1 hand, it generates 1.6kw 2kw surge continuious, and I bought it because its hard to justify running the onan (mine functions perfectly) for just TV, laptop or nuking a small dinner, the onan is simply overkill for these applications, so this small genset should be just the ticket.

It is my understanding that they are insulated inside for noise and heat, this would make sense considering the body is plastic and thus couldnt get too hot or it would melt. what little heat generated by the 76cc engine would be a bonus when its cold, so it seems my main technical issue would be the venting of the exhaust. Obviously no one wants CO inside, I hada mild case of CO poisoning when I was a teen thanks to a leaky exhaust in a friends old station wagon, and its an experience I dont care to repeat. so basically I was looking for any one who has experience with that type of generator, and as to how hot it gets etc. it looks smally enough that with a little redesigning of the battery area I may be able to fit it in there which of course would solve all ventalation issues. but then I though because it is recoil started it owuld be nice not to have to exi the coach to start it, so how dificult would it be to run indoors safely, and address the technical issues that may be involved...




scott cowden wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 06:27


> I just bought one of these super quiet gens, will run 12 hrs on a gallon of gas. I wanna be able to run it inside. This would especially be useful if it were raining outside. It seems all I would need to do is vent the exhaust to the outside? Any ideas?

Shan;

I'm a big fan of those Yamaha gennies. I've probably bought a couple dozen of them over the past 15 years for work [fire dept] and they've been flawless. The only proviso is to ensure you turn the fuel off before transporting as they're very prone to flooding from the vibration of being carried down the road.

but you've set yourself a very technical, and potentially dangerous, goal if not executed near perfectly.

when you say inside, do you mean in the generator bay, or right inside the coach. my comments below refer to an interior approach. even if you meant in the current gennie bay, the removal of heat from the engine is probably the major issue as well as getting the exhaust extended out from under the coach.

Being able to set the generator up to safely run inside your coach is quite a challenge.

exhaust is just part of it. every part of the engine exhaust has to be perfect, of course, from the cylinder head on out.

getting the exhaust through the side of the coach requires a fair bit of thought, too. I've been to quite a few fires over the years where generator exhaust [900+ degrees at times] has ignited walls and materials too close to the exhaust piping. In a building, the safe setback is about 8 inches in radius from the exhaust pipe, with noncombustible materials within that range. Below the beltline, our coaches are sheet moulded compound which is, of course, quite combustible when exposed to high heat in a prolonged situation.

heat soaking is another. inside your coach would take on a fair bit of heat as the flywheel fan pushes air across the engine.

oxygen consumption of the interior air will occur at a much greater rate than some other heat sources.

The fire fighter in me discourages the idea unless you can more than address these issues.

my first thought is to leave the gennie outside and build a rain cover for it if you feel the need to protect it from the elements.

Deputy Chief Scott, Sudbury, ON, Canada


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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113083 is a reply to message #113047] Tue, 25 January 2011 13:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Duce Apocalypse wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 09:53

Scott, thanks for your input, my father was also a fireman, he was captain of the treasure island fire dept back in the 80's. soI can definately appreciate the input from someone in your field. Basically the desire to run the unit inside is more for ease of use, and I know would be somewhat of a challenge but not impossible. first I should state the model, it is a yamaha EF2000iS shown here http://www.yamahagenerators.com/yamaha_generator_ef2000is_pr_51.html which is a small hand portable gen, it weighs only 44# so I can carry this thing around with 1 hand, it generates 1.6kw 2kw surge continuious, and I bought it because its hard to justify running the onan (mine functions perfectly) for just TV, laptop or nuking a small dinner, the onan is simply overkill for these applications, so this small genset should be just the ticket.

It is my understanding that they are insulated inside for noise and heat, this would make sense considering the body is plastic and thus couldnt get too hot or it would melt. what little heat generated by the 76cc engine would be a bonus when its cold, so it seems my main technical issue would be the venting of the exhaust. Obviously no one wants CO inside, I hada mild case of CO poisoning when I was a teen thanks to a leaky exhaust in a friends old station wagon, and its an experience I dont care to repeat. so basically I was looking for any one who has experience with that type of generator, and as to how hot it gets etc. it looks smally enough that with a little redesigning of the battery area I may be able to fit it in there which of course would solve all ventalation issues. but then I though because it is recoil started it owuld be nice not to have to exi the coach to start it, so how dificult would it be to run indoors safely, and address the technical issues that may be involved...




Open the awning, put the gen outside.
done


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Re: yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113086 is a reply to message #113024] Tue, 25 January 2011 13:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That would work, and is a good idea, but for the fact that I don't have an Awning on my rig...

73 Canyon Lands, (a.k.a. The Yellow Submarine) West Los Angeles CA
Re: yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113087 is a reply to message #113086] Tue, 25 January 2011 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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..another project to put on the list....

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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113103 is a reply to message #113047] Tue, 25 January 2011 17:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Shan,

Your father did a fine job. We're still out here! My coach is parked
on the other side of the fence from the fire station.

DC

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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113113 is a reply to message #113103] Tue, 25 January 2011 19:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yeah lost him 3 years ago to the big C, just a couple weeks shy of his 52nd. too young to go if you ask me. Is the department still open? I remember that place vaugely from when I was a kid.

As for my gen idea, there has to be a way to make it safe for indoor useage since a lot of other CO producing items like the stove, and furnace as well as fridge in some cases are all used inside with no ill effect. every story I hear about any problems with using a gen indoors has been due to lack of proper venting of exhausts away from the living area. I can wait till the unit arrives so I can inspect its design and test it for CO. the ones I absolutely dont understand is the people who use charcoal grills for heat indoors there really is no way to vent the fumes created from that....


980 wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 17:36

Shan,

Your father did a fine job. We're still out here! My coach is parked
on the other side of the fence from the fire station.

DC

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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113116 is a reply to message #113113] Tue, 25 January 2011 20:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The infernal combustion engine is a far bigger producer
of Carbon Monoxide (CO) than most of the other devices.
It is the nature of the beast whose combustion efficiency
is quite poor.

Stoves and ovens generally are lit for short periods of
time and generally don't go out of good working order to
create a lot of CO. The same is normally true of furnaces
and gas water heaters, but they are not USUALLY within
the living spaces. Old style floor furnaces are notorious
for their CO output and kill quite a few people every
winter.

My daughter, hubby, and kids lived for awhile in an old
house that had one of those and I bought them a CO
detector as soon as I discovered that furnace.

I've been told that many houses in Korea are heated
by charcoal via duct work. Every year people there
die due to leaks in those ducts that allow the CO into
the living spaces. While I was still on active duty
in the Air Force there was a story about some American
serviceman and/or family being killed that way almost
every winter.

NO GENSETS OR CHARCOAL FIRES INDOORS! ANY TIME!


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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
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> Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:59:07 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside?
>
>
>
> yeah lost him 3 years ago to the big C, just a couple weeks shy of his 52nd. too young to go if you ask me. Is the department still open? I remember that place vaugely from when I was a kid.
>
> As for my gen idea, there has to be a way to make it safe for indoor useage since a lot of other CO producing items like the stove, and furnace as well as fridge in some cases are all used inside with no ill effect. every story I hear about any problems with using a gen indoors has been due to lack of proper venting of exhausts away from the living area. I can wait till the unit arrives so I can inspect its design and test it for CO. the ones I absolutely dont understand is the people who use charcoal grills for heat indoors there really is no way to vent the fumes created from that....
>
>
> 980 wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 17:36
> > Shan,
> >
> > Your father did a fine job. We're still out here! My coach is parked
> > on the other side of the fence from the fire station.
> >
> > DC
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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113118 is a reply to message #113113] Tue, 25 January 2011 20:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Duce Apocalypse wrote on Tue, 25 January 2011 19:59



As for my gen idea, there has to be a way to make it safe for indoor useage since a lot of other CO producing items like the stove, and furnace as well as fridge in some cases are all used inside with no ill effect. every story I hear about any problems with using a gen indoors has been due to lack of proper venting of exhausts away from the living area. I can wait till the unit arrives so I can inspect its design and test it for CO. the ones I absolutely dont understand is the people who use charcoal grills for heat indoors there really is no way to vent the fumes created from that....




* the stove will have a warning on it not to use it for heating
* the fridge propane heater is completely outside and well vented
* the furnace has a powered vent forcing the fumes outside


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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113130 is a reply to message #113113] Tue, 25 January 2011 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Shan,

I don't mean to piss you off, however, I've read all the responses and
frankly it sure looks like you are hell bent to run the generator inside no
matter how much advice to the contrary you receive.

And that's that!

Regards,
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As for my gen idea, there has to be a way to make it safe for indoor useage
since a lot of other CO producing items like the stove, and furnace as well
as fridge in some cases are all used inside with no ill effect. every story
I hear about any problems with using a gen indoors has been due to lack of
proper venting of exhausts away from the living area. I can wait till the
unit arrives so I can inspect its design and test it for CO. the ones I
absolutely dont understand is the people who use charcoal grills for heat
indoors there really is no way to vent the fumes created from that....



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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113133 is a reply to message #113130] Wed, 26 January 2011 02:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Confused by one thing. Somebody mentioned something about thinking that running the exhaust up high like above the roof was a bad idea? Not sure why that would be so. Any explanation/opinion?
Thanks,
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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113135 is a reply to message #113130] Wed, 26 January 2011 05:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just a question here. I have not followed this discussion too closely, but
even if you can effectively route the exhaust gases to the exterior of the
coach, how much oxygen is consumed/removed from the interior? If the Onan
is not functional or giving you problems remove it and install your new
genset in that location. You could possibly make a hatch so you can get to
it from the interior - just make sure the hatch seals completely.

Unless the Onan's problems are terminal, I'd invest the $$ in getting it
squared away and forget about the secondary genset.

Again, I've not monitored this thread in it's entirety so please forgive me
if this has already been addressed.

Just my thoughts.

Tom Eckert N2VWN
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On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:56 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:

> Shan,
>
> I don't mean to piss you off, however, I've read all the responses and
> frankly it sure looks like you are hell bent to run the generator inside no
> matter how much advice to the contrary you receive.
>
> And that's that!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie - Downunder
> AUS '75 Avion - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
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> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Shan Rose
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:59 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
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>
> As for my gen idea, there has to be a way to make it safe for indoor useage
> since a lot of other CO producing items like the stove, and furnace as well
> as fridge in some cases are all used inside with no ill effect. every story
> I hear about any problems with using a gen indoors has been due to lack of
> proper venting of exhausts away from the living area. I can wait till the
> unit arrives so I can inspect its design and test it for CO. the ones I
> absolutely dont understand is the people who use charcoal grills for heat
> indoors there really is no way to vent the fumes created from that....
>
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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113142 is a reply to message #113135] Wed, 26 January 2011 07:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Seems to me you are going to have to use this thing an awful lot vs the Onan to make up the $990 cost.

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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113147 is a reply to message #113133] Wed, 26 January 2011 08:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jay,

What I have read is that It puts the exhaust at the right height to be drawn in by some roof top vents --




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onfused by one thing. Somebody mentioned something about thinking that running
he exhaust up high like above the roof was a bad idea? Not sure why that would
e so. Any explanation/opinion?
hanks,
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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113148 is a reply to message #113147] Wed, 26 January 2011 08:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would estimate that the distance from such an exhaust
would be sufficiently diffused in the atmosphere to NOT
be a problem to roof vents at least 20 feet away from
the source. Obviously you would not want to have your
OWN roof vents open if you were venting the genny above
roof level. There would be a BIG difference in the CO
concentration in the air when compared to running large
sources of CO within the closed space of the coach.

I know that Camping World apparently sells a bunch of
these exhaust extensions. Does ANYBODY have any actual
evidence that these are hazardous or is this just another
urban legend or old wives/husbands tale?

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~



> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:18:36 -0500
> From: dennisfsexton@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside?
>
>
> Jay,
>
> What I have read is that It puts the exhaust at the right height to be drawn in by some roof top vents --
>
> Dennis Sexton
> 73 GMC
> Germantown, TN
> USA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 2:00 am
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside?
>
> Confused by one thing. Somebody mentioned something about thinking that running
> the exhaust up high like above the roof was a bad idea? Not sure why that would
> be so. Any explanation/opinion?
> Thanks,
> 76 PBPortland, OR
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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113156 is a reply to message #113148] Wed, 26 January 2011 09:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
James Hupy is currently offline  James Hupy   United States
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<LOLFOG> Former Governor Dixie Lee Ray was quoted as saying, after the
failure of the WPPS Nuclear Power Plant Grid in Washington State, "There is
nothing wrong with Nuclear Power per se, you just don't want people around
it."
To apply that same tounge in cheek type of humor to running the generator
indoors, the following question comes to mind. What advantages are there to
be had from doing so as opposed to setting it on the ground and plugging it
in? Maybe I am missing the point. Somewhere I remember seeing a '70s era
detroit automobile with a room sized window air conditioner strapped to the
pass side rear door complete with a portable generator bolted to the trunk
lid. I am sure that it cooled the interior of the car, but........
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 GMC Royale 403
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:25 AM, D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>wrote:

>
> I would estimate that the distance from such an exhaust
> would be sufficiently diffused in the atmosphere to NOT
> be a problem to roof vents at least 20 feet away from
> the source. Obviously you would not want to have your
> OWN roof vents open if you were venting the genny above
> roof level. There would be a BIG difference in the CO
> concentration in the air when compared to running large
> sources of CO within the closed space of the coach.
>
> I know that Camping World apparently sells a bunch of
> these exhaust extensions. Does ANYBODY have any actual
> evidence that these are hazardous or is this just another
> urban legend or old wives/husbands tale?
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
> ~ ~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
> ~ ~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
> ~ ~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
> ~~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
> ~ ~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
> ~ www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
>
>
>
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:18:36 -0500
> > From: dennisfsexton@aol.com
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside?
> >
> >
> > Jay,
> >
> > What I have read is that It puts the exhaust at the right height to be
> drawn in by some roof top vents --
> >
> > Dennis Sexton
> > 73 GMC
> > Germantown, TN
> > USA
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>
> > To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Sent: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 2:00 am
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside?
> >
> > Confused by one thing. Somebody mentioned something about thinking that
> running
> > the exhaust up high like above the roof was a bad idea? Not sure why that
> would
> > be so. Any explanation/opinion?
> > Thanks,
> > 76 PBPortland, OR
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Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside? [message #113164 is a reply to message #113148] Wed, 26 January 2011 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Dennis S is currently offline  Dennis S   United States
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Mac,

Please look here for the Cummins comments on exhaust extensions...

http://www.funroads.com/rv-repair/generators/exhaustextensions/

At a local FMCA rally, I witnessed a unit made of pvc pipe collapse and potentially block the exhaust, creating a safety issue.


Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA



-----Original Message-----
From: D C *Mac* Macdonald <k2gkk@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 8:25 am
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside?



would estimate that the distance from such an exhaust
ould be sufficiently diffused in the atmosphere to NOT
e a problem to roof vents at least 20 feet away from
he source. Obviously you would not want to have your
WN roof vents open if you were venting the genny above
oof level. There would be a BIG difference in the CO
oncentration in the air when compared to running large
ources of CO within the closed space of the coach.

know that Camping World apparently sells a bunch of
hese exhaust extensions. Does ANYBODY have any actual
vidence that these are hazardous or is this just another
rban legend or old wives/husbands tale?

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
~ ~ D C "Mac" Macdonald ~ ~~
~ Amateur Radio - K2GKK ~ ~
~ USAF and FAA, Retired ~ ~
~ ~ Oklahoma City, OK ~ ~ ~
~ ~ ~ "The Money Pit" ~ ~ ~~
~ ~ ex-Palm Beach, 76 ~ ~ ~
www.gmcmhphotos.com/okclb ~
~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~


To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 09:18:36 -0500
From: dennisfsexton@aol.com
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside?


Jay,

What I have read is that It puts the exhaust at the right height to be drawn
n by some roof top vents --

Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA



-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 2:00 am
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] yamaha inverter generator: how to run inside?

Confused by one thing. Somebody mentioned something about thinking that
unning
the exhaust up high like above the roof was a bad idea? Not sure why that
ould
be so. Any explanation/opinion?
Thanks,
76 PBPortland, OR
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73 Painted Desert 230
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