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Question from a prospective owner [message #111395] Sat, 08 January 2011 22:44 Go to next message
thorndike is currently offline  thorndike   United States
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Folks,

As I mentioned in a previous post, my wife and I are looking to purchase a GMC.

I have a silly/stupid question. I am reading a lot of posts about folks who have breakdowns on their trips that end up costing a lot of time and money. My question, Is this a regular occurrence or do most folks have event-free trips if the coach is maintained correctly?

Thorndike


Robert Peesel 1976 Royale 26' Side Dry Bath Conifer, Colorado
Re: Question from a prospective owner [message #111398 is a reply to message #111395] Sat, 08 January 2011 22:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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A month after buying mine in July '09, I drove it from Michigan to California and back. Only problem was a broken fan belt about 40 miles north of Phoenix on the way back. I had a spare and was back on the road in about 1/2 hour. So far I've put over 6,000 miles on it and that's the only problem that stopped me so far, though I have had a few other minor ones like dash lights stopped working and generator wouldn't start at remote switch but would using switch at generator.

Mike K. '75 PB Southeast Michigan
Re: [GMCnet] Question from a prospective owner [message #111399 is a reply to message #111395] Sat, 08 January 2011 22:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know we don't write much about the good times, and this is risky business
to do so (tempting the gods)

but

I have owned my gmc for about 13 years
I do my own work
I have fixed everything I know to do, before it has broken.
I only had to replace a master cyl. in a campground
.

I have never been towed
I have never been broken down - stuck
I put about 5,000 miles per year on the GMC
I have done almost everything that can be done to the GMC

I now own 2 of them ;>)

yes they can be reliable, and a good memory maker
gene


My question, Is this a regular occurrence or do most folks have event-free
trips if the coach is maintained correctly?



> Thorndike
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Re: [GMCnet] Question from a prospective owner [message #111400 is a reply to message #111395] Sat, 08 January 2011 23:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Charles is currently offline  Charles   United States
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Trouble free trips are more common than problem trips.
35,000 miles in the last 5 years and no major problems.
Sure a few flats, one deer, and a lost tread on a two
year old tire nothing major. Keep up your maintenance,
and go down the road.
Charles
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Re: Question from a prospective owner [message #111401 is a reply to message #111395] Sat, 08 January 2011 23:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is easy to get the impression that these coaches are a lot of trouble because that is what is discussed on this forum. If the GMC is properly conditioned and maintained it will be reliable and lots of fun. When we first got our GMC we did have some problems but all of them were from lack of conditioning and maintenance. We chose to take our chances and drive it as we bought it and we did have problems but, after taking care of the problems one at a time and working to get ahead of them we now feel confident that we have a reliable vehicle.

This past summer we took the GMC on a 7,400 mile trip through 22 states and 2 provinces with only a couple of relatively minor problems - see my blog - and lots of fun. We just completed our 21st trip in 4 years and are about to leave on our 25th with confidence that we will have no problems or that, if we do, we will have plenty of help getting them fixed. There are plenty of other stories like ours - just hard to find them written down.

Do it - you'll love the GMC.


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Re: Question from a prospective owner [message #111402 is a reply to message #111401] Sat, 08 January 2011 23:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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30,000 miles in 4 years. Only one dead engine.
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Re: [GMCnet] Question from a prospective owner [message #111406 is a reply to message #111399] Sun, 09 January 2011 01:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Pretty much what Gene said.

Owned mine for 8 years. I've had things break but they always seem to
break in the driveway. I've replace and repaired the things that
normally break and had nothing come apart during a trip.

It's human nature to share trials and tribulations. If everything is
going according to plan what is there to talk about?

That said I can't imagine owning one of these unless you actually LIKE
to work on big toys. If you want a trouble and maintenance free RV it
probably doesn't make sense to start with one that is 35 years old.

Or just buy one that is truly done and prepare to pay for it. Me, I
enjoy the process of restoration. Working on the old beast all weekend
doing stuff that I want to do, not stuff that needs to be done.

Kelvin
'73 23' in Eugene, OR


> I know we don't write much about the good times, and this is risky business
> to do so (tempting the gods)
>
> but
>
> I have owned my gmc for about 13 years
> I do my own work
> I have fixed everything I know to do, before it has broken.
> I only had to replace a master cyl. in a campground
> .
>
> I have never been towed
> I have never been broken down - stuck
> I put about 5,000 miles per year on the GMC
> I have done almost everything that can be done to the GMC
>
> I now own 2 of them ;>)
>
> yes they can be reliable, and a good memory maker
> gene
>
>
> My question, Is this a regular occurrence or do most folks have event-free
> trips if the coach is maintained correctly?
>
>
>
>> Thorndike
>>
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Re: Question from a prospective owner [message #111407 is a reply to message #111395] Sun, 09 January 2011 01:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thorndike wrote on Sat, 08 January 2011 20:44

Folks,

As I mentioned in a previous post, my wife and I are looking to purchase a GMC.

I have a silly/stupid question. I am reading a lot of posts about folks who have breakdowns on their trips that end up costing a lot of time and money. My question, Is this a regular occurrence or do most folks have event-free trips if the coach is maintained correctly?

Thorndike


I have done tons of preventive maintenance but here are the ones that stopped us:

First coach (for sale) we drove 13,000 and had to stop and change a water pump. Also broke a fan belt which took out a second and made a lot of noise. Made it home after I cut them out. I made my own connector for the distributor module after installing TBI. It came loose and blew out a muffler. It was only noisy after I put the connector back on.

Second coach 17,000 miles so far. Ran out of gas on time because of stupidity and because the fuel selector failed another time. (That was embarrassing to admit.) I had to work on my alternator. And yes, I goofed on an intake manifold install and lost lots of oil, but made it home.

After joining Family Motor Coach Association I read, every month, about new coaches that cost 1/4 to 1/2 of a million stopping or needing a recall.


'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
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Re: [GMCnet] Question from a prospective owner [message #111411 is a reply to message #111407] Sun, 09 January 2011 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sandra Price is currently offline  Sandra Price   United States
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Robert, we bought our '73 in January '05, Bob worked on the mechanicals
continuously until time to leave for our two-month trip to Alaska the first
of July. Hot water heater went out early on, so I washed dishes in cold
water until my daughter met us in AK and suggested I just microwave the
water (duh!). On the way home, in Williams Lake, our shift cable broke,
but, together, we drove all the way back to Texas (including across Monarch
Pass, due to navigator error). Did see one rather new SOB being put on a
float out in the hinterlands about 800 miles from the next stop...

In '08 we made the second trip to AK--gone from home from March 23 to August
1. Lots of miles, no trouble for us. Our SOB friend traveling with us had
numerouos problems...

Last summer we drove to the Maritimes and were gone from home from May to
October. In Williamsburg Bob noticed a problem with the newly rebuilt motor
he and his friends had put in just before we left home. He had to change
out a bad pushrod there. When we got to Halifax, NS, he had to replace the
rest of them--all work done in place at parking lot or campground--thanks to
Paul Doane of Halifax for providing the "good" replacement pushrods. Bob
made it all look so easy, I never felt any anxiety and would say we didn't
have any problems. Some folks do call me Pollyanna.

Forgot, on the '08 trip and this past summer, a hole developed in the brake
line on the right rear, but each time, once we got to a safe place, he was
able to repair that in a business parking lot with very little lost time.
He does maintain the coach maybe better than some.

If you like a project, you will have one, but along the way you will have a
blast touring and meeting some wonderful people. We attend most local
rallies as well as GMC Int'l rallies. Hope to see you one the road.

Sandra and Bob Price
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 1:43 AM, George Beckman <gbeckman@pggp.com> wrote:

>
>
> thorndike wrote on Sat, 08 January 2011 20:44
> > Folks,
> >
> > As I mentioned in a previous post, my wife and I are looking to purchase
> a GMC.
> >
> > I have a silly/stupid question. I am reading a lot of posts about folks
> who have breakdowns on their trips that end up costing a lot of time and
> money. My question, Is this a regular occurrence or do most folks have
> event-free trips if the coach is maintained correctly?
> >
> > Thorndike
>
>
> I have done tons of preventive maintenance but here are the ones that
> stopped us:
>
> First coach (for sale) we drove 13,000 and had to stop and change a water
> pump. Also broke a fan belt which took out a second and made a lot of
> noise. Made it home after I cut them out. I made my own connector for the
> distributor module after installing TBI. It came loose and blew out a
> muffler. It was only noisy after I put the connector back on.
>
> Second coach 17,000 miles so far. Ran out of gas on time because of
> stupidity and because the fuel selector failed another time. (That was
> embarrassing to admit.) I had to work on my alternator.
>
> After joining Family Motor Coach Association I read, every month, about new
> coaches that cost 1/4 to 1/2 of a million stopping or needing a recall.
> --
> '74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
> Best Wishes,
> George
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“Life’s a Trip” in “The Roadhouse”
’73 Painted Desert
Huntsville, TX

Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another, be sympathetic, love
as brothers, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or
insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so
that you may inherit a blessing. --1 Peter 3:8-9
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Re: Question from a prospective owner [message #111412 is a reply to message #111395] Sun, 09 January 2011 09:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thorndike wrote on Sat, 08 January 2011 23:44

Folks,

As I mentioned in a previous post, my wife and I are looking to purchase a GMC.

I have a silly/stupid question. I am reading a lot of posts about folks who have breakdowns on their trips that end up costing a lot of time and money. My question, Is this a regular occurrence or do most folks have event-free trips if the coach is maintained correctly?

Thorndike

Hi

I have driven mine about 50,000 miles new engine 20,000 miles ago, only problem on the road was a blown final drive on a Friday evening last summer. I was back on the road within 24 hours with a rebuilt final drive installed by 2 blacklisters from Wisconsin ( thanks Larry & John ) better than a new coach warranty program


John H. Bell
77 Royale; QuadBag,Manny OneTon,Honda EV4010, FITech
Montreal Qc.
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John, good that you mentioned the Black List. It is better than a warranty. Free labor and many times free parts, or at least good credit. I am sure some coach owners have some kind of list but I bet none are as extensive as our Black List. It is not unusual for coach owners to travel 100-200 miles to help a broken down owner. Sandra even mentioned Paul Doane helping them with parts while in Canada. And, Sandra writes a lot better story than Bob could ever do., ha. Also, most of us have internet as we travel so we have access to the most active motorhome group anywhere. Life is just plain good when one travels in a GMC.
Dan


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thorndike wrote on Sat, 08 January 2011 22:44

Folks,

As I mentioned in a previous post, my wife and I are looking to purchase a GMC.

I have a silly/stupid question. I am reading a lot of posts about folks who have breakdowns on their trips that end up costing a lot of time and money. My question, Is this a regular occurrence or do most folks have event-free trips if the coach is maintained correctly?

Thorndike

It is unfortunate in a way that all you tend to see here on the forum is people with problems. But then, that is what is so great about this forum! All the information about how to do routine maintenance properly and how to fix problems before they can leave you stranded on the road are freely shared.

Margie and I have had our GMC for a little over 3 years. The coach was all original with 32,000 miles. We drove it home (over 2000 miles) without any problems (I had checked it out carefully). After going through all the mechanicals to make sure it was in good shape and reliable we are now restoring it as we use it.

We have had a great time putting the 40,000 miles on the coach without any major problems (a module and a coil - which I always carry spares). Currently, we are in CA having traveled about 3,000 miles on this trip. Few of us write about the great trips and experiences we are having in the GMC Motor Home.


Randy & Margie
'77 Eleganza II '403'
Battlefield, MO
Re: Question from a prospective owner [message #111432 is a reply to message #111395] Sun, 09 January 2011 12:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thorndike wrote on Sat, 08 January 2011 20:44

... I am reading a lot of posts about folks who have breakdowns on their trips that end up costing a lot of time and money. My question, Is this a regular occurrence or do most folks have event-free trips if the coach is maintained correctly?


I am going on the assumption that you are comparing GMC's with newer motorhomes.

Any 30 year old vehicle will have had more time for problems to develop but the newer more complicated vehicles have more systems to go bad. The cost of fixing older technology is normally less than the newer stuff but it might be more difficult to find someone willing and ABLE to do the work CORRECTLY. (Many of the "mechanics" of today need a computer to plug in, before they can diagnose any problem. Others THINK they "know" everything and will take your money...)

All motorhomes need regular maintenance. All motorhomes will have issues from time to time, even brand new ones. Regularly maintained coaches should have fewer issues. All motorhomes work better and will have fewer issues when used regularly. Older motorhomes have had more opportunities to sit and deteriorate. For the most part, older motorhomes will cost you less than a comparable newer motorhome.

GMC's are designed and built in a way that has stood the test of time. A regularly maintained GMC doesn't look over 30 years old. It IS smaller than the newer rigs with slide-outs but slide outs add more problems. Being smaller isn't all bad, a GMC will fit where most SOB's will not.

So...

1.) You'll hear more about trips with problems than the routine "no problems" trips. Just the nature of the beast.

2.) If you travel in a 30 year old vehicle OF ANY TYPE, _YOU_ need to have an idea of how that vehicle operates and know enough to help getting it repaired. (With newer vehicles you just need to know how to use your credit card!)

3.) As long as you can meet the requirements in #2 (the Black list helps) and can live with a smaller rig, dollar for dollar, there isn't much that can touch the GMC for value.


Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
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Re: [GMCnet] Question from a prospective owner [message #111448 is a reply to message #111395] Sun, 09 January 2011 14:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Never had a breakdown on the open road except once. It was fixed in 90
minutes while something else was going on. AAA came to the rescue, too, with
an experienced tow driver who knew exactly what to do and what to avoid.

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Robert Peesel wrote:

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>
> Folks,
>
> As I mentioned in a previous post, my wife and I are looking to purchase a
> GMC.
>
> I have a silly/stupid question. I am reading a lot of posts about folks who
> have breakdowns on their trips that end up costing a lot of time and money.
> My question, Is this a regular occurrence or do most folks have event-free
> trips if the coach is maintained correctly?
>
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Kelvin,

There is no motorhome without issues. If you want real problems, buy a new
one. At that point you get to test the warranty and workmanship several
times. If you want fewer problems, buy one between five and eight years of
age driving by a couple that took good care of the coach. Otherwise, they're
all a crap shoot and depend on the owner keeping it in good repair either by
working with a good mechanic or being one yourself.

Byron


KRDietz wrote:

> hat said I can't imagine owning one of these unless you actually LIKE
> to work on big toys. If you want a trouble and maintenance free RV it
> probably doesn't make sense to start with one that is 35 years old.
>
> Kelvin
> '73 23' in Eugene, OR


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Re: [GMCnet] Question from a prospective owner [message #111495 is a reply to message #111395] Sun, 09 January 2011 22:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thorndike,

We don't talk much about the trouble-free trips -- where's the fun in
that? Sort of the man bites dog syndrome.

I've had my share of break-downs in 80,000+ miles: Once at 850/975
miles home when I bought it. Another 10,000/12,000 mile trip to
Alaska. Both of those were human-caused (faulty maintenance) items,
NOT inherent GMC failure items.

I've been beside the road a few other times too, but they were all
self-generated during the process of rebuilding or modifying the
drivetrain -- not anything unexpected or worth getting excited about.

Routine failures like old alternators not genning, batteries dying,
tires blowing out, etc., are not, IMHO, vehicle-unique and generally
don't "put one beside the road", so don't count. I had just as much
trouble with vehicles of the 60's and 70's then as I have today.

With all that experience behind me during the past 12+ years, I
consider the GMC at least as dependable as any other 30+ year old
vehicle. Even on a well-maintained one, there are still items that
haven't been replaced and are likely to be more failure prone than on
a newer vehicle. Modern vehicles ARE more dependable than were those
of the 80's and earlier.

If called upon to head out tomorrow for Fairbanks, Alaska, about the
longest paved road distance possible from here, I'd be willing go
(come Spring) without doing anything major to the GMC. But I'd
certainly take a complete tool kit, discretion being the better part
of valor. :-)

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
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> I have a silly/stupid question.  I am reading a lot of posts about folks who have breakdowns on their trips that end up costing a lot of time and money.  My question, Is this a regular occurrence or do most folks have event-free trips if the coach is maintained correctly?
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Thorndike,

I just told you the GMC side of my opinion. Let me tell you the new
SOB side: In January 1997 I bought a new $200,000 40' diesel pusher.
On during the 250 mile trip home, we wrote up 41 problems to be
repaired upon our return to the dealer near Tampa. The worst of those
was that the engine quit 7 times! Fortunately it restarted each time
without leaving us stranded.

My carelessness was abetted by the unreasonable size of the vehicle
when I did $500 worth of damage to the paint and the patio awing the
second day we owned it. 'Nuff said about that! :-)

It was a year before I considered that the manufacture of the vehicle
was complete. During that year, the coach spent over 20 days in
repair facilities and in EVERY case where there was a significant
problem, it was ME who identified the cause -- even when doing
computer diagnosis of Caterpillar engine problem. Incompetence among
the mechanics in the RV industry is rampant. They're expected to be
able to repair engines, drive trains, cabinetry, fiberglass,
electrical equipment, electronics, plumbing, and all the other myriad
components of a house on wheels. Few who are competent in one of
those disciplines are willing to fool with the others, so most are
truly competent in none of them.

The fact that you CANNOT expect to purchase a trouble free new
motorhome was admitted by the president of Safari, the manufacturer of
my motorhome, and a past executive of Beaver, one of the more
expensive (and respected) brands at that time. He stood before
several hundred owners at a company-sponsored rally and admitted that
it was cheaper for them to allocate $10,000 for each new coach for
warranty repair than to implement a better quality control system for
manufacturing. I nearly dropped my teeth -- but instead immediately
stood up and told him what I thought of that inexcusable disregard for
the customers who had to suffer the consequences and spend their own
time, energy, and resources doing their job for them. I was HOT, And
still am. :-)

We kept that coach, which, by industry standards, was a good one, for
9 years, 31,000 miles, many months of happy vacationing, mostly
parked, and $140,000+ (depreciation, maintenance, taxes, insurance,
fuel, etc). The GMC during 12+ years has cost, as a WAG, $45,000 for
similar expenses; plus endless hours of pleasurable hands-on
maintenance, repairs, and remodeling. In return it's taken us to the
farthest corners of our country (Fairbanks to Key West) and into the
lives of our dearest friends.

Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
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Re: [GMCnet] Question from a prospective owner [message #111515 is a reply to message #111497] Mon, 10 January 2011 08:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sandra Price is currently offline  Sandra Price   United States
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Here, Here, Ken! Great assessment.

Sandra

On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:

> Thorndike,
>
> I just told you the GMC side of my opinion. Let me tell you the new
> SOB side: In January 1997 I bought a new $200,000 40' diesel pusher.
> On during the 250 mile trip home, we wrote up 41 problems to be
> repaired upon our return to the dealer near Tampa. The worst of those
> was that the engine quit 7 times! Fortunately it restarted each time
> without leaving us stranded.
>
> My carelessness was abetted by the unreasonable size of the vehicle
> when I did $500 worth of damage to the paint and the patio awing the
> second day we owned it. 'Nuff said about that! :-)
>
> It was a year before I considered that the manufacture of the vehicle
> was complete. During that year, the coach spent over 20 days in
> repair facilities and in EVERY case where there was a significant
> problem, it was ME who identified the cause -- even when doing
> computer diagnosis of Caterpillar engine problem. Incompetence among
> the mechanics in the RV industry is rampant. They're expected to be
> able to repair engines, drive trains, cabinetry, fiberglass,
> electrical equipment, electronics, plumbing, and all the other myriad
> components of a house on wheels. Few who are competent in one of
> those disciplines are willing to fool with the others, so most are
> truly competent in none of them.
>
> The fact that you CANNOT expect to purchase a trouble free new
> motorhome was admitted by the president of Safari, the manufacturer of
> my motorhome, and a past executive of Beaver, one of the more
> expensive (and respected) brands at that time. He stood before
> several hundred owners at a company-sponsored rally and admitted that
> it was cheaper for them to allocate $10,000 for each new coach for
> warranty repair than to implement a better quality control system for
> manufacturing. I nearly dropped my teeth -- but instead immediately
> stood up and told him what I thought of that inexcusable disregard for
> the customers who had to suffer the consequences and spend their own
> time, energy, and resources doing their job for them. I was HOT, And
> still am. :-)
>
> We kept that coach, which, by industry standards, was a good one, for
> 9 years, 31,000 miles, many months of happy vacationing, mostly
> parked, and $140,000+ (depreciation, maintenance, taxes, insurance,
> fuel, etc). The GMC during 12+ years has cost, as a WAG, $45,000 for
> similar expenses; plus endless hours of pleasurable hands-on
> maintenance, repairs, and remodeling. In return it's taken us to the
> farthest corners of our country (Fairbanks to Key West) and into the
> lives of our dearest friends.
>
> Ken H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
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Re: [GMCnet] Question from a prospective owner [message #111519 is a reply to message #111395] Mon, 10 January 2011 08:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Steven Ferguson is currently offline  Steven Ferguson   United States
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In 15 years of traveling in our GMC I have had two flat tires and had to
replace one waterpump, and one fan clutch on the road. Other than that
sheer, utter, and catastrophic disaster, it has been the introduction for us
to a wonderful community and way of life we have planned our lives around.
Buy a good one, there are plenty out there to chose from. Join one of the
many GMC clubs.

On Sat, Jan 8, 2011 at 9:44 PM, Robert Peesel <thorndike@pldsllc.com> wrote:

>
>
> Folks,
>
> As I mentioned in a previous post, my wife and I are looking to purchase a
> GMC.
>
> I have a silly/stupid question. I am reading a lot of posts about folks
> who have breakdowns on their trips that end up costing a lot of time and
> money. My question, Is this a regular occurrence or do most folks have
> event-free trips if the coach is maintained correctly?
>
> Thorndike
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Re: Question from a prospective owner [message #111844 is a reply to message #111395] Thu, 13 January 2011 00:39 Go to previous message
thorndike is currently offline  thorndike   United States
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Thanks for the responses!

This is exactly what I had expected to hear, I just needed to hear it. I am in discussions with the current owner and will let everyone know when the deal is done.

Thanks!

Bob (Thorndike)


Robert Peesel 1976 Royale 26' Side Dry Bath Conifer, Colorado
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