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| [GMCnet] Road Wander Revisited [message #110873] |
Wed, 05 January 2011 05:40  |
Steven Ferguson
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I have sent all my samples of tie rod ends to Charles Wersal in TX. You
folks out there might want to find out where he is giving his talk and
attend. One of the samples is an adjustable tie rod designed by Robert
Sternfels of GMCWS. One is a disassembled unit so you can see how they
are constructed. One is an assembled sample I use to show an example of
wear in the "neutral" position.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wander Revisited [message #110885 is a reply to message #110881] |
Wed, 05 January 2011 07:32  |
Steven Ferguson
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I've had a 50% success rate with NAPA boxes. The one that worked the best
had no internal stops. You could turn it indefinitely and finding TDC was
very difficult.
No reinventing the wheel here Marcel as I think you and I are sort of
saying the same thing. I do not know how these things steered when new and
I'll bet you don't either. Even If Ihad one new, it would have been so long
ago that I probably couldn't accurately recollect how it drove.
If you've owned a GMC for a long time, changes in handling are gradual and
we gradually get used to the wear and don't think a whole lot about it until
we walk away from it for a while, or drive someone else's coach.
Bottom line, at this point, nearly all suspension components are worn
beyond their life expectancy. If you want the best handling and
drivablility possible, replace everything that moves and get a competent
alignment.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Bruce Hislop <bruce@perthcomm.com> wrote:
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>
> Be careful with the rebuilt units.
>
> I bought a rebuilt from NAPA, it was still loose and leaked badly so I took
> it back and got another one. That one I sent directly to Racemate for a
> rebuild. He said it wasn't great and leaked too but was able to rebuild it.
>
> My understanding is the cores are sent to Mexico where they disassemble
> them and make the best out of 2 or 3 and call it rebuilt.
>
> I should have got my original rebuilt.
> --
> Bruce Hislop,
> S. Ontario Canada
> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI and ESC.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wander Revisited [message #110887 is a reply to message #110885] |
Wed, 05 January 2011 07:39 |
mjbourgon
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Here here, fully agree. I say like you biggest thing to remember,
unfortunately is they are getting old and worn out as we are
Marcel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Ferguson" <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 05:32
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Road Wander Revisited
> I've had a 50% success rate with NAPA boxes. The one that worked the best
> had no internal stops. You could turn it indefinitely and finding TDC was
> very difficult.
> No reinventing the wheel here Marcel as I think you and I are sort of
> saying the same thing. I do not know how these things steered when new
> and
> I'll bet you don't either. Even If Ihad one new, it would have been so
> long
> ago that I probably couldn't accurately recollect how it drove.
> If you've owned a GMC for a long time, changes in handling are gradual
> and
> we gradually get used to the wear and don't think a whole lot about it
> until
> we walk away from it for a while, or drive someone else's coach.
> Bottom line, at this point, nearly all suspension components are worn
> beyond their life expectancy. If you want the best handling and
> drivablility possible, replace everything that moves and get a competent
> alignment.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Bruce Hislop <bruce@perthcomm.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Be careful with the rebuilt units.
>>
>> I bought a rebuilt from NAPA, it was still loose and leaked badly so I
>> took
>> it back and got another one. That one I sent directly to Racemate for a
>> rebuild. He said it wasn't great and leaked too but was able to rebuild
>> it.
>>
>> My understanding is the cores are sent to Mexico where they disassemble
>> them and make the best out of 2 or 3 and call it rebuilt.
>>
>> I should have got my original rebuilt.
>> --
>> Bruce Hislop,
>> S. Ontario Canada
>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI and ESC.
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wander Revisited [message #110999 is a reply to message #110885] |
Wed, 05 January 2011 22:40 |
jimk
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Steve,
When I got mine in1980, it had less than 20,000 miles on it and had a
Bias Belted tires.
Drove very well untill we went to Radial tires.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've had a 50% success rate with NAPA boxes. Â The one that worked the best
> had no internal stops. Â You could turn it indefinitely and finding TDC was
> very difficult.
> Â No reinventing the wheel here Marcel as I think you and I are sort of
> saying the same thing. Â I do not know how these things steered when new and
> I'll bet you don't either. Â Even If Ihad one new, it would have been so long
> ago that I probably couldn't accurately recollect how it drove.
> Â If you've owned a GMC for a long time, changes in handling are gradual and
> we gradually get used to the wear and don't think a whole lot about it until
> we walk away from it for a while, or drive someone else's coach.
> Â Bottom line, at this point, nearly all suspension components are worn
> beyond their life expectancy. Â If you want the best handling and
> drivablility possible, replace everything that moves and get a competent
> alignment.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Bruce Hislop <bruce@perthcomm.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Be careful with the rebuilt units.
>>
>> I bought a rebuilt from NAPA, it was still loose and leaked badly so I took
>> it back and got another one. Â That one I sent directly to Racemate for a
>> rebuild. He said it wasn't great and leaked too but was able to rebuild it.
>>
>> My understanding is the cores are sent to Mexico where they disassemble
>> them and make the best out of 2 or 3 and call it rebuilt.
>>
>> I should have got my original rebuilt.
>> --
>> Bruce Hislop,
>> S. Ontario Canada
>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI and ESC.
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
>> Â _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wander Revisited [message #111012 is a reply to message #110948] |
Thu, 06 January 2011 06:41 |
Steven Ferguson
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Ken,
Not that I know of. In '73, the GMCs had steering stops welded onto the
control arms. Pretty much a band aid setup but it must've worked, cause it
did. '74 and later had the stops in the box and I base that on what I have
learned through heresay over the years and from what I've learned from the
GMC vendors.
Not having the stops in the steering box doesn't really put any stress on
the control arms. At least not more than a chuckhole in a turn. Most
drivers never really run the knuckles into the arms unless they are up
against a tight parking situation. A good indicator is the whine from the
PS pump. As soon as I hear that I backoff a tad.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Ken Henderson <hend4800@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> Steve,
>
> Have you EVER gotten a steering box from NAPA with the correct internal
> stops?
>
> I'm still concerned that running box without those may contribute to
> over-stressing the A-arms when the un-restricted steering box jams the
> turn-side knuckle into the arm.
>
> Those concerned about steering boxes should be sure to read
> http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Wirth_GMCMH_Steering_Box.pdf
> by Don Wirth. There's also good information in
>
> http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Hemmings_Reducing_Arm%20Fatigue_Saginaw.pdf
>
> Ken H.
> Americus, GA
> '76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
> www.gmcwipersetc.com
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I've had a 50% success rate with NAPA boxes. The one that worked the
> best
> > had no internal stops. You could turn it indefinitely and finding TDC
> was
> > very difficult...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wander Revisited [message #111013 is a reply to message #110999] |
Thu, 06 January 2011 06:42 |
Steven Ferguson
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Interesting Jim.
I hated driving our '51 Ford even the shortest of distances until I put
radial tires on it. What an improvement!
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
> Steve,
> When I got mine in1980, it had less than 20,000 miles on it and had a
> Bias Belted tires.
> Drove very well untill we went to Radial tires.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I've had a 50% success rate with NAPA boxes. The one that worked the
> best
> > had no internal stops. You could turn it indefinitely and finding TDC
> was
> > very difficult.
> > No reinventing the wheel here Marcel as I think you and I are sort of
> > saying the same thing. I do not know how these things steered when new
> and
> > I'll bet you don't either. Even If Ihad one new, it would have been so
> long
> > ago that I probably couldn't accurately recollect how it drove.
> > If you've owned a GMC for a long time, changes in handling are gradual
> and
> > we gradually get used to the wear and don't think a whole lot about it
> until
> > we walk away from it for a while, or drive someone else's coach.
> > Bottom line, at this point, nearly all suspension components are worn
> > beyond their life expectancy. If you want the best handling and
> > drivablility possible, replace everything that moves and get a competent
> > alignment.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Bruce Hislop <bruce@perthcomm.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Be careful with the rebuilt units.
> >>
> >> I bought a rebuilt from NAPA, it was still loose and leaked badly so I
> took
> >> it back and got another one. That one I sent directly to Racemate for a
> >> rebuild. He said it wasn't great and leaked too but was able to rebuild
> it.
> >>
> >> My understanding is the cores are sent to Mexico where they disassemble
> >> them and make the best out of 2 or 3 and call it rebuilt.
> >>
> >> I should have got my original rebuilt.
> >> --
> >> Bruce Hislop,
> >> S. Ontario Canada
> >> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI and ESC.
> >> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Steve Ferguson
> > Sierra Vista, AZ
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> Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wander Revisited [message #111146 is a reply to message #110999] |
Thu, 06 January 2011 20:59 |
storm'n
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Jim
Funny you should mention that. When we got our 76 in 79 it had a new set of Uniroyal bias plies. 20,000 mi. later I put on Michlens & it didn't handle as good. The back end would suck over in truck ruts.
Norm.
Always looking.
Steve,
When I got mine in1980, it had less than 20,000 miles on it and had a
Bias Belted tires.
Drove very well untill we went to Radial tires.
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've had a 50% success rate with NAPA boxes. The one that worked the best
> had no internal stops. You could turn it indefinitely and finding TDC was
> very difficult.
> No reinventing the wheel here Marcel as I think you and I are sort of
> saying the same thing. I do not know how these things steered when new and
> I'll bet you don't either. Even If Ihad one new, it would have been so long
> ago that I probably couldn't accurately recollect how it drove.
> If you've owned a GMC for a long time, changes in handling are gradual and
> we gradually get used to the wear and don't think a whole lot about it until
> we walk away from it for a while, or drive someone else's coach.
> Bottom line, at this point, nearly all suspension components are worn
> beyond their life expectancy. If you want the best handling and
> drivablility possible, replace everything that moves and get a competent
> alignment.
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Bruce Hislop <bruce@perthcomm.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Be careful with the rebuilt units.
>>
>> I bought a rebuilt from NAPA, it was still loose and leaked badly so I took
>> it back and got another one. That one I sent directly to Racemate for a
>> rebuild. He said it wasn't great and leaked too but was able to rebuild it.
>>
>> My understanding is the cores are sent to Mexico where they disassemble
>> them and make the best out of 2 or 3 and call it rebuilt.
>>
>> I should have got my original rebuilt.
>> --
>> Bruce Hislop,
>> S. Ontario Canada
>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI and ESC.
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
>> _______________________________________________
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> Sierra Vista, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wander Revisited [message #111149 is a reply to message #111146] |
Thu, 06 January 2011 21:22 |
jimk
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First trip on Nevada highway at 75mph was an experience as the coach
jumped over to the other lane so fast I could not believe it.
The ruts on the Interstate with asphalt was really bad and they had
signs to ask truckers to use the fast lane.
I'm glad we have overcome that, as I still drive 76-85 and tow.
With gas prices going up I will need to slow down and drive like a White Man.
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:59 PM, Norm Bowker <bowks43@rogers.com> wrote:
> Â Jim
> Â Funny you should mention that. When we got our 76 in 79 it had a new set of Uniroyal bias plies. 20,000 mi. later I put on Michlens & it didn't handle as good. The back end would suck over in truck ruts.
> Â Norm.
> Â Always looking.
>
>
> Steve,
> When I got mine in1980, it had less than 20,000 miles on it and had a
> Bias Belted tires.
> Drove very well untill we went to Radial tires.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:32 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I've had a 50% success rate with NAPA boxes. Â The one that worked the best
>> had no internal stops. Â You could turn it indefinitely and finding TDC was
>> very difficult.
>> Â No reinventing the wheel here Marcel as I think you and I are sort of
>> saying the same thing. Â I do not know how these things steered when new and
>> I'll bet you don't either. Â Even If Ihad one new, it would have been so long
>> ago that I probably couldn't accurately recollect how it drove.
>> Â If you've owned a GMC for a long time, changes in handling are gradual and
>> we gradually get used to the wear and don't think a whole lot about it until
>> we walk away from it for a while, or drive someone else's coach.
>> Â Bottom line, at this point, nearly all suspension components are worn
>> beyond their life expectancy. Â If you want the best handling and
>> drivablility possible, replace everything that moves and get a competent
>> alignment.
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Bruce Hislop <bruce@perthcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Be careful with the rebuilt units.
>>>
>>> I bought a rebuilt from NAPA, it was still loose and leaked badly so I took
>>> it back and got another one. Â That one I sent directly to Racemate for a
>>> rebuild. He said it wasn't great and leaked too but was able to rebuild it.
>>>
>>> My understanding is the cores are sent to Mexico where they disassemble
>>> them and make the best out of 2 or 3 and call it rebuilt.
>>>
>>> I should have got my original rebuilt.
>>> --
>>> Bruce Hislop,
>>> S. Ontario Canada
>>> 77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI and ESC.
>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
>>> Â _______________________________________________
>>> GMCnet mailing list
>>> List Information and Subscription Options:
>>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steve Ferguson
>> Sierra Vista, AZ
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> jimk@appliedairfilters.com
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