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Does JimK sell the charcoal canister filter? I found a line I'm 99% sure that went to the canister but is just venting under my cabin. Today I was insulating the engine compartment with a form of dynamat and saw it.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: fuel canister [message #108603 is a reply to message #108596] |
Tue, 14 December 2010 22:15  |
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Thats good news. I was soundproofing and insulating my engine compartment today. And saw a line that lead to where the canister used to be. However it was just venting into the air. I've had a lot fuel smells that have been hard to find but think this maybe one of the sources of fuel smell.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: fuel canister [message #108604 is a reply to message #108603] |
Tue, 14 December 2010 22:39 |
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| Mr.RadioActive wrote on Tue, 14 December 2010 20:15 |
Thats good news. I was soundproofing and insulating my engine compartment today. And saw a line that lead to where the canister used to be. However it was just venting into the air. I've had a lot fuel smells that have been hard to find but think this maybe one of the sources of fuel smell.
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Glad you found it. The canister will get rid of the smells and let you burn the fumes later. I put a new canister on our first GMC and am thinking about doing one on the '74. Ruth can smell one part per billion so I keep the smells down to one part per trillion.
'74 Eleganza, SE, Howell + EBL
Best Wishes,
George
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| Re: [GMCnet] fuel canister [message #108605 is a reply to message #108604] |
Tue, 14 December 2010 23:06 |
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It might be easier to make a list of what Jim DOESN'T sell.
Honda parts, Toyota parts, Nissan parts...
;-)
Larry Davick
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On Dec 14, 2010, at 8:39 PM, George Beckman <gbeckman@pggp.com> wrote:
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> Mr.RadioActive wrote on Tue, 14 December 2010 20:15
>> Thats good news. I was soundproofing and insulating my engine compartment today. And saw a line that lead to where the canister used to be. However it was just venting into the air. I've had a lot fuel smells that have been hard to find but think this maybe one of the sources of fuel smell.
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> Glad you found it. The canister will get rid of the smells and let you burn the fumes later. I put a new canister on our first GMC and am thinking about doing one on the '74. Ruth can smell one part per billion so I keep the smells down to one part per trillion.
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| Re: fuel canister [message #108614 is a reply to message #108596] |
Wed, 15 December 2010 09:23 |
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I've been looking at his site over the past few weeks and either I miss stuff or he adds stuff nearly every week.
I'm going to call him about my canister as I want to add it and fix that open line.
I'm really amazed what I've been able to do on my GMC. I think I'm going to nickname it "Gettin there" Since whenever anyone asks me about it I always tell them "its gettin there" I've done nothing mechanical on a vehicle in my entire life with few small exceptions. On the GMC I've done more on it then I ever thought I could do.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: fuel canister [message #108615 is a reply to message #108614] |
Wed, 15 December 2010 10:56 |
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| Mr.RadioActive wrote on Wed, 15 December 2010 08:23 |
I've done nothing mechanical on a vehicle in my entire life with few small exceptions. On the GMC I've done more on it then I ever thought I could do.
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That's good Michael! Maybe the electronics on the newer vehicles do not intimidate you like they do me, I am reluctant to tackle too many things on a newer car. Even though the GMC has a lot of different systems to keep track of, it is from a much simpler era and is easy to work on. With a little guidance from this group and the repair manuals, you should be able to tackle most projects with confidence. Makes it more affordable too.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] fuel canister [message #108620 is a reply to message #108615] |
Wed, 15 December 2010 13:33 |
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Remember GMCers, these vehicles were engineered at least 40 years ago.
Vacuum tube technology was the rule of the day, Transistors were still in
the experimental application stages & not at all in automotive use. When you
saw an electronic ignition module it had a huge aluminum heat sink attatched
that was very critical as to where it was mounted. Electronic fuel injection
wasn't even on the drawing boards yet. Everything was mechanically connected
like clutch linkage and transmission shift linkage. It was a different world
when it came to diagnosis. No on board diagnostics plug & play stuff. You
really had to use your powers of deductive reasoning and think in sequential
terms. Kinda had to use the brain in a different mode than we do today. That
is why it is kinda pleasant to work on this old stuff. There is a cause &
effect relationship involved that is very rewarding when problems are
suspected, actions are taken and results are measurably observable. Imagine,
having fun working on stuff and getting paid for it. Don't get much better
than that.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Carl Stouffer <carljr3b@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Mr.RadioActive wrote on Wed, 15 December 2010 08:23
> > I've done nothing mechanical on a vehicle in my entire life with few
> small exceptions. On the GMC I've done more on it then I ever thought I
> could do.
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> That's good Michael! Maybe the electronics on the newer vehicles do not
> intimidate you like they do me, I am reluctant to tackle too many things on
> a newer car. Even though the GMC has a lot of different systems to keep
> track of, it is from a much simpler era and is easy to work on. With a
> little guidance from this group and the repair manuals, you should be able
> to tackle most projects with confidence. Makes it more affordable too.
> --
> Carl S.
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: fuel canister [message #108624 is a reply to message #108596] |
Wed, 15 December 2010 15:05 |
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Well I called JimK. Its amazing the guy always finds time to chat with you. I ordered the fuel canister. He told me where the tank line goes, and told me to call him when I get it so he can tell me where the carb line goes into the carb.
Its nice to see things moving forward. I hope I get it quickly as we have a camping trip coming really soon!
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: [GMCnet] fuel canister [message #108626 is a reply to message #108620] |
Wed, 15 December 2010 15:06 |
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Jim,
I'm sorry but I'm going to disagree with you regarding transistors. I worked
Project Apollo and there was all kinds of equipment with transistors in it.
The equipment for Project Apollo was undergoing design ten years before the
GMC. For example the back pack (PLSS - Portable Life Support System) had the
EVCS (Extravehicular Communications System) sitting on top of it and it was
chock-a-block with miniaturized electronics. It had two AM transmitters, one
FM transmitter, two AM receivers, signal conditioning, a telemetry system
(30 channels) that monitored its operation and the Astronauts vital signs,
and other components required for system operation. It was about 1 1/4"
thick, 6 inches wide, and 18 inches long. All those functions in a single
component that size was miniaturization - in those days!
Having said that I guess you could say the NASA use was "experimental." ;-)
When you answer your cell phone you should be thinking, thanks NASA and JFK!
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:34 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] fuel canister
Remember GMCers, these vehicles were engineered at least 40 years ago.
Vacuum tube technology was the rule of the day, Transistors were still in
the experimental application stages & not at all in automotive use. When you
saw an electronic ignition module it had a huge aluminum heat sink attatched
that was very critical as to where it was mounted. Electronic fuel injection
wasn't even on the drawing boards yet. Everything was mechanically connected
like clutch linkage and transmission shift linkage. It was a different world
when it came to diagnosis. No on board diagnostics plug & play stuff. You
really had to use your powers of deductive reasoning and think in sequential
terms. Kinda had to use the brain in a different mode than we do today. That
is why it is kinda pleasant to work on this old stuff. There is a cause &
effect relationship involved that is very rewarding when problems are
suspected, actions are taken and results are measurably observable. Imagine,
having fun working on stuff and getting paid for it. Don't get much better
than that.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
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Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] fuel canister [message #108627 is a reply to message #108626] |
Wed, 15 December 2010 15:39 |
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Rob's right, transistors were not new in the early '70's by any means --
witness the internal voltage regulator in the alternator. But they
certainly didn't completely dominate the world.
I personally began tinkering with transistors in '60, long before I went to
EE school in '71. In fact, while I was taking a graduate course in computer
circuit design in '73 or '74, the professor skipped class one day to visit a
little company called Intel in San Jose, CA for the introduction of the
MCS-4 -- the first integrated circuit CPU. That was pretty well into the
solid state age.
In 1970 I was flight test director for an aerial recovery winch which used
integrated circuit operational amplifiers to amplify the signals from strain
gauges, and via differential and integral processing, use those signals to
control the operation of hydraulic brakes on the winch drums.
I don't know, but I suspect the radio in the '73 GMC was transistorized. I
KNOW that the tank level indicators in the Coachmen GMC's use transistors
(not very effectively, by today's standards).
Just trying to keep history straight. :-)
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> Jim,
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> I'm sorry but I'm going to disagree with you regarding transistors. I
> worked
> Project Apollo and there was all kinds of equipment with transistors in
> it....
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| Re: fuel canister [message #108631 is a reply to message #108596] |
Wed, 15 December 2010 16:26 |
RadioActiveGMC
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And I'm still glad I found one of the sources of my fuel smell.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: [GMCnet] fuel canister [message #108632 is a reply to message #108626] |
Wed, 15 December 2010 16:32 |
James Hupy
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Rob, I know that the Mercury, Gemenai, and Appollo programs all used micro &
mini circuits and were all cutting edge stuff during that time. A lot of it
was developed during the time of flight testing of early jet propelled
aircraft by the Agency that later became NASA, Bob Gilruth, Kris Craft &
many, many others had a large part in that.. Some of the circuits were
borrowed from Military applications of ICBM's, and were fairly closely
guarded secrets. If memory serves me, an engineering team from Bell
Labs were credited with the invention that led to development of all
semiconductors. That was heralded as one of the most signifigant inventions
of the 20th Century. Seems like it was around 1951 or 2. I didn't mean to
imply that the transistor had not been invented when the GMC was developed,
only that the use of it was not widespread in the automotive industry during
that period of time. By 1978, some solid state components were finding their
way into the GMC, one example being the EL II ride height controllers which
use led's and phototransistors with a shutter wheel between them to activate
relays or valves to raise or lower the rear suspension. It is always amazing
to me that a country that developed the technology to enable men to walk on
the moon, couldn't make Oldsmobile & Pontiac competitive in the auto markets
of today. Seems like a Giant Leap backwards for mankind to me.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> Jim,
>
> I'm sorry but I'm going to disagree with you regarding transistors. I
> worked
> Project Apollo and there was all kinds of equipment with transistors in it.
> The equipment for Project Apollo was undergoing design ten years before the
> GMC. For example the back pack (PLSS - Portable Life Support System) had
> the
> EVCS (Extravehicular Communications System) sitting on top of it and it was
> chock-a-block with miniaturized electronics. It had two AM transmitters,
> one
> FM transmitter, two AM receivers, signal conditioning, a telemetry system
> (30 channels) that monitored its operation and the Astronauts vital signs,
> and other components required for system operation. It was about 1 1/4"
> thick, 6 inches wide, and 18 inches long. All those functions in a single
> component that size was miniaturization - in those days!
>
> Having said that I guess you could say the NASA use was "experimental." ;-)
>
> When you answer your cell phone you should be thinking, thanks NASA and
> JFK!
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie - Downunder
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of James Hupy
> Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:34 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] fuel canister
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> Remember GMCers, these vehicles were engineered at least 40 years ago.
> Vacuum tube technology was the rule of the day, Transistors were still in
> the experimental application stages & not at all in automotive use. When
> you
> saw an electronic ignition module it had a huge aluminum heat sink
> attatched
> that was very critical as to where it was mounted. Electronic fuel
> injection
> wasn't even on the drawing boards yet. Everything was mechanically
> connected
> like clutch linkage and transmission shift linkage. It was a different
> world
> when it came to diagnosis. No on board diagnostics plug & play stuff. You
> really had to use your powers of deductive reasoning and think in
> sequential
> terms. Kinda had to use the brain in a different mode than we do today.
> That
> is why it is kinda pleasant to work on this old stuff. There is a cause &
> effect relationship involved that is very rewarding when problems are
> suspected, actions are taken and results are measurably observable.
> Imagine,
> having fun working on stuff and getting paid for it. Don't get much better
> than that.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 Royale 403
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] fuel canister [message #108633 is a reply to message #108627] |
Wed, 15 December 2010 16:37 |
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Wed, 15 December 2010 15:39 |
Rob's right, transistors were not new in the early '70's by any means --
Ken H.
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Correct - in the late 60's I was an EE co-op student working for an industrial furnace mfr. One of our product divisions was for the electronics industry and we made semiconductor diffusion furnaces and controlled atmosphere conveyor furnaces. The best assignments I had was 3 turns in the R&D lab. We were constantly being pushed to make bigger diameter furnaces with longer hot zones. When I left we were up to 8" X 40". We were constantly amazed at how fast the semiconductor mfr's scrapped out their almost new furnaces for the next model. (We were also frustrated that they wouldn't tell us exactly what they were making.) One of the conveyor furnaces we made was for Delco that they used to solder the diodes into the alternator diode trio frames. For a long time I had a box of these loose diodes that I used for various projects. Also during that time, one of my roommates co-op'ed for IBM and managed to scare up a job for a few of us helping the IBM field service engineers do update mods on IBM 360 installations all over the Milwaukee area on weekend nights (and some weekend days when it didn't go right). IIRC the 360's were all thick film technology with various chips and components soldered onto ceramic substrates. Brings back some memories.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] fuel canister [message #108634 is a reply to message #108633] |
Wed, 15 December 2010 17:05 |
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Steve,
Now this is interesting - small world!
When I got out of the USAF I went to work for Hamilton Standard's Space &
Life department testing the PLSS for Project Apollo at the factory in
Windsor Locks. I was an hourly worker that had to punch a clock. I did that
for TWO weeks and decided I wasn't going to do that the rest of my working
life!
Attending night school to obtain a degree took too long so I opted to get
into the "new" field of computer programming. The school I went to had and
IBM 360-20. IIRC the 20 stood for 20K of memory! It was state of the art in
1968! The bloody thing was the size of a freezer!
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Southworth
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2010 9:38 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] fuel canister
Ken Henderson wrote on Wed, 15 December 2010 15:39
> Rob's right, transistors were not new in the early '70's by any means --
> Ken H.
Correct - in the late 60's I was an EE co-op student working for an
industrial furnace mfr. One of our product divisions was for the
electronics industry and we made semiconductor diffusion furnaces and
controlled atmosphere conveyor furnaces. The best assignments I had was 3
turns in the R&D lab. We were constantly being pushed to make bigger
diameter furnaces with longer hot zones. When I left we were up to 8" X
40". We were constantly amazed at how fast the semiconductor mfr's scrapped
out their almost new furnaces for the next model. (We were also frustrated
that they wouldn't tell us exactly what they were making.) One of the
conveyor furnaces we made was for Delco that they used to solder the diodes
into the alternator diode trio frames. For a long time I had a box of these
loose diodes that I used for various projects. Also during that time, one
of my roommates co-op'ed for IBM and managed to scare up a job for a few of
us helping the IBM field service engineer
s do update mods on IBM 360 installations all over the Milwaukee area on
weekend nights (and some weekend days when it didn't go right). IIRC the
360's were all thick film technology with various chips and components
soldered onto ceramic substrates. Brings back some memories.
--
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150
Palmyra WI
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'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] fuel canister [message #108638 is a reply to message #108634] |
Wed, 15 December 2010 19:06 |
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Wed, 15 December 2010 17:05 |
Steve,
Now this is interesting - small world!
When I got out of the USAF I went to work for Hamilton Standard's Space &
Life department testing the PLSS for Project Apollo at the factory in
Windsor Locks. I was an hourly worker that had to punch a clock. I did that
for TWO weeks and decided I wasn't going to do that the rest of my working
life!
Attending night school to obtain a degree took too long so I opted to get
into the "new" field of computer programming. The school I went to had and
IBM 360-20. IIRC the 20 stood for 20K of memory! It was state of the art in
1968! The bloody thing was the size of a freezer!
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
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I fixed those things for 6 years. They had 8k core memory with an optional 16K. Later models offered 32K. The freezer you referred to only contained the processor and I/O adapters. The I/O gear was separate and nearly as large. They were attached to it with large cables.
Almost all of them had a 2560 multifunction card machine that read, sorted, punched, and printed 80 column cards. Also available was a 2203 printer (standard), or a 1403 printer running at 600 or 1000 line per minute. We also offered 2415 tape and 2311 disk drives. The programming language was RPG or basic machine code. Several additional "high speed" I/O devices and things like paper tape and, 96 column cards and communication (modems) adapters were also available.
Enough history about the 360-20. Do you want to talk about the 30, or 40, or 50, or 65, also available at the same time frame. We also made a special 360 FAA version.
There were no vacuum tubes in anything and this was 1965. Most of it was integrated circuits and a few discrete transistors for solenoid coil drivers. Even the earlier families like the 1130 and 1400s were all solid state.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] fuel canister [message #108650 is a reply to message #108638] |
Wed, 15 December 2010 20:54 |
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Ken,
Nah we better shut up, we're showing how bloody old we are! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Burton
Enough history about the 360-20. Do you want to talk about the 30, or 40,
or 50, or 65, also available at the same time frame. We also made a special
360 FAA version.
There were no vacuum tubes in anything and this was 1965. Most of it was
integrated circuits and a few discrete transistors for solenoid coil
drivers. Even the earlier families like the 1130 and 1400s were all solid
state.
--
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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