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Help with refrigerator [message #107898] Wed, 08 December 2010 11:19 Go to next message
armandminnie is currently offline  armandminnie   United States
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My Dometic refrigerator will not stay lit. The flame comes on immediately but shuts off - I can hear a "clunk" so it is the controller shutting it off. I have cleaned the whole area - there was a big chunk of carbon on the flame sensor - and the flame looks strong.

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Re: [GMCnet] Help with refrigerator [message #107904 is a reply to message #107898] Wed, 08 December 2010 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:19 AM, Armand Minnie wrote:

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> My Dometic refrigerator will not stay lit. The flame comes on immediately but shuts off - I can hear a "clunk" so it is the controller shutting it off. I have cleaned the whole area - there was a big chunk of carbon on the flame sensor - and the flame looks strong.
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> Armand Minnie
> Marana, AZ
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It is likely that your sensor has gone bad. it is easy to replace.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM


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Re: Help with refrigerator [message #107915 is a reply to message #107898] Wed, 08 December 2010 12:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
armandminnie is currently offline  armandminnie   United States
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Thanks Emery, I assume you mean the thermocouple? Looks like it is not easy to get to though.

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Re: Help with refrigerator [message #107919 is a reply to message #107898] Wed, 08 December 2010 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When starting your fridge on propane - set the thermostat to the coldest setting until it is lit for a few minutes.

John Ruff
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Re: Help with refrigerator [message #107921 is a reply to message #107919] Wed, 08 December 2010 13:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
armandminnie is currently offline  armandminnie   United States
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No thermostat on this one John - either on or off.

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Re: [GMCnet] Help with refrigerator [message #107925 is a reply to message #107915] Wed, 08 December 2010 13:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Armand,
This discussion might have gone around before, but if not:
 
The tip of the t-couple needs to be positioned in the upper 1/4 of the flame. Any carbon on it needs to be removed. Also, know that T-couples very rarely fail. Many more fail due to damage (kinking, etc) than anything else.
 
You also need to be aware that the end that connects to the gas valve is an electrical connection. The t-couple, when warmed sufficiently by the flame, creates a few milli-volts (I'm sure one of the EE's reading this will know exactly how much) which holds the gas valve open. Essentially, think of it as a fail safe device that will shut off the gas valve if the pilot or flame is lost.
 
Before you condemn the t-couple, disconnect it from the gas valve and clean the mushroom shaped end lightly with very fine sandpaper... I've even used a pencil eraser in a pinch. More often than not, all that is needed is a quick cleaning to allow it to complete the electrical connection and it's back in business.
 
At any rate, all of this is pretty straightforward stuff. There is no need to head off to a repair shop (at big $$$ per hour) just to get a t-couple working.
Hope that helps!!
Take care and happy holiday's!
Lyle

Lyle A. Rigdon, Retired Superintendent
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From: Armand Minnie <armand@minniebiz.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Help with refrigerator
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Date: Wednesday, December 8, 2010, 12:52 PM




Thanks Emery, I assume you mean the thermocouple?  Looks like it is not easy to get to though.
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Re: [GMCnet] Help with refrigerator [message #107927 is a reply to message #107925] Wed, 08 December 2010 14:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lyle, thanks for the input. When the problem first started I found a large lump of carbon material at the end of it. I managed to knock that off - without damaging the thing I hope - but have had a really hard time getting to it to do more. I figured that if I knocked 90 percent of it off it should start working but not the case. I will try to take the assembly out to get at it better - would have to do that to swap anyway. I will not hire anyone to fix it until I have exhausted my tries.

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Re: Help with refrigerator [message #107939 is a reply to message #107921] Wed, 08 December 2010 17:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Armand, knowing the model of your Dometic may help with a better diagnosis. My old RV business in Glendale was a Dometic service center for many, many years. I still have a lot of service manuals and parts left. Give us more info. Thanks, Jim
Re: Help with refrigerator [message #107941 is a reply to message #107939] Wed, 08 December 2010 18:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My refrigerator is a Dometic Americana Model RM2652 and the "product number" is 9211440-04. I just removed the burner assembly, cleaned the thermocouple, reassembled and have the same failure. No thermocouples available locally so have to wait if I want one.

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Re: Help with refrigerator [message #107949 is a reply to message #107941] Wed, 08 December 2010 19:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can't you find one at like home depot? It doesn't matter if it is a little longer just put a coil or 2 in the tubing. All thermocouples have similar millivolt outputs. The heavy duty type may have a little more but it is too fat to fit.
Roy


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Re: Help with refrigerator [message #107969 is a reply to message #107941] Wed, 08 December 2010 23:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Armand, you have an electric thermocouple on this unit that connects to the main circuit board. It may or may not be bad. Even though the flame looks good it may not be getting the tip of the t-couple hot enough. Can you check your LP regulator pressure to make sure it is correct? I may have a t-couple in my stock but it is to dark to check tonight. I will check tomorrow on my mid morning break. You can contact me on my cell at six two three six eight zero six eight two nine. If I don't answer leave a message as I drive a school bus and will not answer when driving... Thanks, Jim
Re: Help with refrigerator [message #107989 is a reply to message #107969] Thu, 09 December 2010 09:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
armandminnie is currently offline  armandminnie   United States
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Jim,
I will try to measure the LP pressure and then call you - thanks.


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Re: Help with refrigerator [message #108062 is a reply to message #107898] Thu, 09 December 2010 21:14 Go to previous message
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OK, it is fixed!! I talked to Jim from Cave Creek, AZ - thanks Jim - and he gave me the name of a local refrigeration guy that he did business with in the past (Trailer Refrigeration, Inc. in Tucson). The man I talked to there said that most often the problem causing this symptom is the board and that I should skip the thermocouple path and go straight to a Dinosaur Electronics replacement board. Turns out that one of our GMCSJ members owns rvpartsnow.com and he is a dinosaur electronics dealer. I called him and he had the board in stock and got it to Amado, AZ before we arrived at the rally. Thanks Jeff. The board is now installed and the refrigerator is running. Love the GMCnet!!!

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