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Sun, 05 December 2010 12:20  |
paul h cashman
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Jack
I plugged my Vent Line at the Tanks ,several Years ago.
I did ,dill a small Hole in the old Cap ,I later replaced it with a Lockable
Gas Cap, that was vented.
I have had no problems ,no Gas Fumes in the Cab.
Paul Cashman
Riverdale GA
78 Transmode
I'm puzzled by all the comments about collapsing the tanks, fuel pump not
pumping because of vacuum, etc.. I just rechecked my gas cap which appears
to be original. It is designed to vent the tank to prevent a vacuum from
occurring. Is this a unique cap?? If not, the dire consequences outlined
above aren't valid.
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107596 is a reply to message #107587] |
Sun, 05 December 2010 14:55  |
captjack
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Paul,
I'm pretty sure that your locking, vented, gas cap will only allow air to flow into the tank to prevent the tanks from being collapsed and will not allow fumes to flow out through it, to reduce pollution. This is exactly what my (thought to be OEM) gas cap does.
Plugging the vent lines, as you've done, would allow pressure to build up in the tanks, and not be released by the gas cap. This pressure would normally be relieved through the venting system to the canister. With the vent lines plugged, pressure would not be relieved and the pressure buildup would be higher on hot days when vapor lock is most prevalent. My theory has higher pressure increasing the temperature where vaporization occurs which would reduce the possibility of vapor lock. Have you ever had vapor lock problems such that you could detect they were less after you plugged the lines?
Thanks,
Jack Christensen - K6ROW,
'76 Glenbrook/Clasco - "The Silver Bullet",
Sebastopol, CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107615 is a reply to message #107596] |
Sun, 05 December 2010 18:55 |
John Sharpe
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......I'm pretty sure that your locking, vented, gas cap will only allow air to flow into the tank to prevent the tanks from being collapsed and will not allow fumes to flow out through it, to reduce pollution. This is exactly what my (thought to be OEM) gas cap does......
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This describes a non-vented fuel cap. A vented cap does allow fumes to escape to the atmosphere while venting the tank.
John Sharpe
Humble,TX
'78 Eleganza TBI
'89 Spectrum 2000 MPI V-10
'40 Ford Panel Delivery TPI
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107686 is a reply to message #107587] |
Mon, 06 December 2010 12:57 |
Ray Erspamer
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The reason I brought the question up about plugging the vent lines and getting
rid of the separator completely was that my vacuum canister lines are not even
connected to the carb. I've done a lot of investigation on all of my engine vac
lines and I want to make sure everything is functioning right and if the
canisters are not even connected I'd rather remove them and get rid of all of
the extra stuff. I'm into simplification where ever possible.
In looking at Pauls post below, I may try plugging the lines and going to a
vented cap before I remove anything.
I read somewhere that someone just removed the separator and let the 2 tank
lines vent near the rear wheel well, considering that my open flame gas
refrigerator and water heater is right near there, I'd rather not do that.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
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From: Paul Cashman <paulcashman@bellsouth.net>
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Sent: Sun, December 5, 2010 12:20:52 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info
Jack
I plugged my Vent Line at the Tanks ,several Years ago.
I did ,dill a small Hole in the old Cap ,I later replaced it with a Lockable
Gas Cap, that was vented.
I have had no problems ,no Gas Fumes in the Cab.
Paul Cashman
Riverdale GA
78 Transmode
I'm puzzled by all the comments about collapsing the tanks, fuel pump not
pumping because of vacuum, etc.. I just rechecked my gas cap which appears
to be original. It is designed to vent the tank to prevent a vacuum from
occurring. Is this a unique cap?? If not, the dire consequences outlined
above aren't valid.
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107728 is a reply to message #107686] |
Mon, 06 December 2010 20:15 |
Dennis S
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Ray and others considering removing the carbon canisters,
Please reconsider --
1) The fuel vapor venting and charcoal canister system if maintained as originally installed should not be a performance deterrent and may actually be good for the environment.
2) The more old/antique vintage cars that have the emission systems disabled or removed the more the proponents of removing old vehicles from the road can point to their potential negative impact and push for increased vehicle inspections and/or limited vehicle usage.
Just an opinion.
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN 38138-2066
USA
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From: Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Mon, Dec 6, 2010 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info
The reason I brought the question up about plugging the vent lines and getting
id of the separator completely was that my vacuum canister lines are not even
onnected to the carb. I've done a lot of investigation on all of my engine vac
lines and I want to make sure everything is functioning right and if the
anisters are not even connected I'd rather remove them and get rid of all of
he extra stuff. I'm into simplification where ever possible.
In looking at Pauls post below, I may try plugging the lines and going to a
ented cap before I remove anything.
I read somewhere that someone just removed the separator and let the 2 tank
ines vent near the rear wheel well, considering that my open flame gas
efrigerator and water heater is right near there, I'd rather not do that.
Ray
ay & Lisa Erspamer
8 Royale Center Kitchen
ZE368V101144
auwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
mail: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
14-745-3188
eb Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107729 is a reply to message #107587] |
Mon, 06 December 2010 20:23 |
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Looks like my charcoal filter was taken out of line a million years ago, Id have no clue how to hook it back up! Its currently in the landfill.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107749 is a reply to message #107729] |
Mon, 06 December 2010 22:03 |
armandminnie
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My charcoal canister is missing too. In trying to diagnose a strong fuel odor I was following the hoses around and broke the connector to mine - it was very brittle. Turns out that a PO had pulled the hose off of the carburetor and just left it hanging there in the engine compartment. The tank was venting through the fuel/vapor separator (it was also broken and allowing fuel to pass) and the canister into the area just in front of the co-pilot's seat. When it got hot during the day the fuel odor would get really strong.
I have considered all of the alternatives discussed on this forum and plan to replace the separator and the canister before next summer to try to fix the fuel odor that is now coming from the driver's side rear wheel well.
Armand Minnie
Marana, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107753 is a reply to message #107587] |
Mon, 06 December 2010 22:33 |
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The same cansister was used on thousands of 70s GM cars. They should still be a dime a dozen. It's a simple system. The intake filter disc on the bottom is replaceable and very inexpensive. No reason not to have this functioning as it should, no reason to give any more reason for anyone to say we are not emission compliant as per design. And the vapors get reclaimed and burned giving you better MPG to the tune of .0001 MPG increase. Better than breathing them.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107778 is a reply to message #107753] |
Tue, 07 December 2010 08:39 |
Ray Erspamer
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Okay, I'm really confused on something here. I just looked at all of the
manuals to try to understand the vacuum hose runs for the twin canister
system. Everything that has a diagram says "1978 California Vehicles Only".
I can't seem to find any good schematics for NON-CALIFORNIA vehicles. Am I
missing something? I'm wondering if my coach was a "California Emissions"
coach.
When I look at my vacuum hose runs they look nothing like the schematics I can
find, but I still have two canisters and neither are connected to anything.
I think I've searched and looked at vacuum hose diagrams off and on for 4 months
and I'm still confused as heck.......this can't be that hard....can it ?????
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: John R. Lebetski <gransport@aol.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Mon, December 6, 2010 10:33:15 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info
The same cansister was used on thousands of 70s GM cars. They should still be a
dime a dozen. It's a simple system. The intake filter disc on the bottom is
replaceable and very inexpensive. No reason not to have this functioning as it
should, no reason to give any more reason for anyone to say we are not emission
compliant as per design. And the vapors get reclaimed and burned giving you
better MPG to the tune of .0001 MPG increase. Better than breathing them.
--
John Lebetski
Chicago, IL
77 Eleganza II
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403, 3.70 Final Drive
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Holley Hyperspark Ignition System
414-484-9431
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107799 is a reply to message #107778] |
Tue, 07 December 2010 10:35 |
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| Ray Erspamer wrote on Tue, 07 December 2010 06:39 |
Okay, I'm really confused on something here. I just looked at all of the
manuals to try to understand the vacuum hose runs for the twin canister
system. Everything that has a diagram says "1978 California Vehicles Only".
I can't seem to find any good schematics for NON-CALIFORNIA vehicles. Am I
missing something? I'm wondering if my coach was a "California Emissions"
coach. ...
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California coaches came with two canisters. Federal coaches came with only one. While there where other small changes with the 455, most of the other "California differences" did not come in until the 403.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107804 is a reply to message #107778] |
Tue, 07 December 2010 10:59 |
C Boyd
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[quote title=Ray Erspamer wrote on Tue, 07 December 2010 09:39]Okay, I'm really confused on something here. I just looked at all of the
manuals to try to understand the vacuum hose runs for the twin canister
system. Everything that has a diagram says "1978 California Vehicles Only".
I can't seem to find any good schematics for NON-CALIFORNIA vehicles. Am I
missing something? I'm wondering if my coach was a "California Emissions"
coach.
When I look at my vacuum hose runs they look nothing like the schematics I can
find, but I still have two canisters and neither are connected to anything.
I think I've searched and looked at vacuum hose diagrams off and on for 4 months
and I'm still confused as heck.......this can't be that hard....can it ?????
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
Sir: 77-78 Supplement manual X7725, section 6T-6 has a good diagram for the twin canister model.
Thye 1974 emisions manual X-7482A has a good diagram for the early single canister.
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107805 is a reply to message #107799] |
Tue, 07 December 2010 10:57 |
Ray Erspamer
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Thanks. This tells me that I have a Calif emissions system, but it's been
modified and neither of the 2 canisters are connected...... man-o-man, what some
people do. I'll need to figure out what I want to do with the mess, I've got
all winter to think about it so no big rush.
Any recommendations ?
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
________________________________
From: Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 10:35:44 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info
Ray Erspamer wrote on Tue, 07 December 2010 06:39
> Okay, I'm really confused on something here. I just looked at all of the
> manuals to try to understand the vacuum hose runs for the twin canister
> system. Everything that has a diagram says "1978 California Vehicles Only".
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> I can't seem to find any good schematics for NON-CALIFORNIA vehicles. Am I
> missing something? I'm wondering if my coach was a "California Emissions"
> coach. ...
California coaches came with two canisters. Federal coaches came with only one.
While there where other small changes with the 455, most of the other
"California differences" did not come in until the 403.
--
Mike Miller
#01 - `73 26' X Painted D. "The Spare"
#02 - `78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath "The User"
#03 - `77 23' Birchaven Side Bath "The Keeper"
Hillsboro, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107815 is a reply to message #107778] |
Tue, 07 December 2010 12:09 |
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Ray, If you have two canisters, then you have a California Compliant Coach
evaporation emission system. In general, there is a very good explanation of
how it is supposed to be hooked up in the 77-78 Appendix manual that covers
changes only to the 77 & 78 Coaches, both the 49 states versions and the
California version as well. It is way more complex than descriptions on the
net will allow. If you have specific questions, ask me off net at
jamesh1296@gmail.com and I will walk you through it. Glad to help.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> Okay, I'm really confused on something here. I just looked at all of the
> manuals to try to understand the vacuum hose runs for the twin canister
> system. Everything that has a diagram says "1978 California Vehicles
> Only".
> I can't seem to find any good schematics for NON-CALIFORNIA vehicles. Am
> I
> missing something? I'm wondering if my coach was a "California Emissions"
> coach.
>
> When I look at my vacuum hose runs they look nothing like the schematics I
> can
> find, but I still have two canisters and neither are connected to anything.
>
> I think I've searched and looked at vacuum hose diagrams off and on for 4
> months
> and I'm still confused as heck.......this can't be that hard....can it
> ?????
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
>
>
>
>
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> From: John R. Lebetski <gransport@aol.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Mon, December 6, 2010 10:33:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info
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> The same cansister was used on thousands of 70s GM cars. They should
> still be a
> dime a dozen. It's a simple system. The intake filter disc on the bottom
> is
> replaceable and very inexpensive. No reason not to have this functioning as
> it
> should, no reason to give any more reason for anyone to say we are not
> emission
> compliant as per design. And the vapors get reclaimed and burned giving you
> better MPG to the tune of .0001 MPG increase. Better than breathing them.
> --
> John Lebetski
> Chicago, IL
> 77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107824 is a reply to message #107804] |
Tue, 07 December 2010 13:46 |
Ray Erspamer
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Charles, THANK YOU !!! The 1974 emissions manual X-7482A showing the diagram
for the single canister showed me exactly want I wanted to see. I'm going to
keep the one carbon canister and hook it up as shown and abandon the vapor one.
Nice clean system then.
I appreciate your help!
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Charles Boyd <covered-wagon@comcast.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 10:59:00 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info
[quote title=Ray Erspamer wrote on Tue, 07 December 2010 09:39]Okay, I'm really
confused on something here. I just looked at all of the
manuals to try to understand the vacuum hose runs for the twin canister
system. Everything that has a diagram says "1978 California Vehicles Only".
I can't seem to find any good schematics for NON-CALIFORNIA vehicles. Am I
missing something? I'm wondering if my coach was a "California Emissions"
coach.
When I look at my vacuum hose runs they look nothing like the schematics I can
find, but I still have two canisters and neither are connected to anything.
I think I've searched and looked at vacuum hose diagrams off and on for 4 months
and I'm still confused as heck.......this can't be that hard....can it ?????
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: mailto:78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
Sir: 77-78 Supplement manual X7725, section 6T-6 has a good diagram for the
twin canister model.
Thye 1974 emisions manual X-7482A has a good diagram for the early single
canister.
--
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont by Midas
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info [message #107827 is a reply to message #107805] |
Tue, 07 December 2010 14:00 |
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Ray
Sure, move to California where you can use your coach year round. LOL
Randall
| Ray Erspamer wrote on Tue, 07 December 2010 08:57 |
Thanks. This tells me that I have a Calif emissions system, but it's been
modified and neither of the 2 canisters are connected...... man-o-man, what some
people do. I'll need to figure out what I want to do with the mess, I've got
all winter to think about it so no big rush.
Any recommendations ?
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
________________________________
From: Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Tue, December 7, 2010 10:35:44 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] More Fuel Seperator Info
Ray Erspamer wrote on Tue, 07 December 2010 06:39
> Okay, I'm really confused on something here. I just looked at all of the
> manuals to try to understand the vacuum hose runs for the twin canister
> system. Everything that has a diagram says "1978 California Vehicles Only".
>
>
> I can't seem to find any good schematics for NON-CALIFORNIA vehicles. Am I
> missing something? I'm wondering if my coach was a "California Emissions"
> coach. ...
California coaches came with two canisters. Federal coaches came with only one.
While there where other small changes with the 455, most of the other
"California differences" did not come in until the 403.
--
Mike Miller
#01 - `73 26' X Painted D. "The Spare"
#02 - `78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath "The User"
#03 - `77 23' Birchaven Side Bath "The Keeper"
Hillsboro, OR
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