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Matt Colie
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This is the story of a big disappointment with a previously first rate supplier.
I am waiting for parts from my transmission and as any failure like this requires that you find all the parts and do your best to determine that systems are still sound. Looking for parts and sparklies in the pan is a start.
I had to have the pan off. This is why the time is right to add a drain.
The good news to me. No sparklies or magnetic particles in the pan. Two pieces of snap ring that make a complete snap ring when mixed with the previously recovered parts.
The bad news. I brought in a Wix transmission filter kit. Wix has previosly been a first rate supplier. The cork gasket looks real nice, but the filter came in a bag that was marked "Made in China" and the same is on the filter body. That might not be bad, but the pick up tube of the Chinese part can not be as effective as what I took out. Look at the pictures and see for yourself.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=36674&title=trans-filters&cat=500
That 3/8 of an inch make about a quart of transmission fluid that the Chinese filter will not pick up. The lack of a bent down also means that it is much more likely to aspirate (suck in air) at high flow rates with fluid level that might have been no problem with the prior filter.
I'm still going to use it, but I am going to watch it like a hawk.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Disappointment with a Wix transmission filter [message #105577 is a reply to message #105576] |
Tue, 09 November 2010 20:02  |
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USAussie
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Matt,
I realize I am demonstrating an acute grasp on the obvious but did you try
to rotate the steel tube on the Chinese filter in the filter housing?
If it's not swaged really tightly that might work.
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie
PS - will be crawling under the GMC tomorrow to take pictures / make sketch
showing where I put the drain and temp sensor.
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Subject: [GMCnet] Disappointment with a Wix transmission filter
This is the story of a big disappointment with a previously first rate
supplier.
I am waiting for parts from my transmission and as any failure like this
requires that you find all the parts and do your best to determine that
systems are still sound. Looking for parts and sparklies in the pan is a
start.
I had to have the pan off. This is why the time is right to add a drain.
The good news to me. No sparklies or magnetic particles in the pan. Two
pieces of snap ring that make a complete snap ring when mixed with the
previously recovered parts.
The bad news. I brought in a Wix transmission filter kit. Wix has
previosly been a first rate supplier. The cork gasket looks real nice, but
the filter came in a bag that was marked "Made in China" and the same is on
the filter body. That might not be bad, but the pick up tube of the Chinese
part can not be as effective as what I took out. Look at the pictures and
see for yourself.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=36674&title=trans-filt
ers&cat=500
That 3/8 of an inch make about a quart of transmission fluid that the
Chinese filter will not pick up. The lack of a bent down also means that it
is much more likely to aspirate (suck in air) at high flow rates with fluid
level that might have been no problem with the prior filter.
I'm still going to use it, but I am going to watch it like a hawk.
Matt
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'73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
SE Michigan - DTW 3.2/4R
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Disappointment with a Wix transmission filter [message #105578 is a reply to message #105576] |
Tue, 09 November 2010 20:15 |
GMC_LES
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I have 2 WIX filter kits that I purchased from RockAuto last year. I'll have to check them to see if they have the same tube configuration.
When I dropped the pan looking for a reason for my transmission howling, I checked the filter to see if it was secure. I seem to recall it having a pick-up tube shaped like your Chinese version. My tranny would howl like a PS pump low on oil if the fluid was only slightly less than full. I wonder if the tube has something to do with it?
Les Burt
On 2010-11-09, at 8:35 PM, Matt Colie <mcolie@chartermi.net> wrote:
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> This is the story of a big disappointment with a previously first rate supplier.
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> I am waiting for parts from my transmission and as any failure like this requires that you find all the parts and do your best to determine that systems are still sound. Looking for parts and sparklies in the pan is a start.
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> I had to have the pan off. This is why the time is right to add a drain.
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> The good news to me. No sparklies or magnetic particles in the pan. Two pieces of snap ring that make a complete snap ring when mixed with the previously recovered parts.
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> The bad news. I brought in a Wix transmission filter kit. Wix has previosly been a first rate supplier. The cork gasket looks real nice, but the filter came in a bag that was marked "Made in China" and the same is on the filter body. That might not be bad, but the pick up tube of the Chinese part can not be as effective as what I took out. Look at the pictures and see for yourself.
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=36674&title=trans-filters&cat=500
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> That 3/8 of an inch make about a quart of transmission fluid that the Chinese filter will not pick up. The lack of a bent down also means that it is much more likely to aspirate (suck in air) at high flow rates with fluid level that might have been no problem with the prior filter.
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> I'm still going to use it, but I am going to watch it like a hawk.
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> Matt
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> SE Michigan - DTW 3.2/4R
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| Re: Disappointment with a Wix transmission filter [message #105580 is a reply to message #105576] |
Tue, 09 November 2010 20:25 |
Craig Lechowicz
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Matt,
This might be a nutty idea, but how about slipping a short length of hose over the tube. It would have to be able to handle the oil and temp, and have the correct angle on the end, but would at least get it to the bottom.
Craig Lechowicz
'77 Kingsley, Waterford, MI
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| Re: Disappointment with a Wix transmission filter [message #105591 is a reply to message #105576] |
Tue, 09 November 2010 22:32 |
JohnL455
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Say it isn't so. WIX was previously a good product. Hopefully the oil filters still are. I have been scouring the web to buy a far infared sauna for health detox reasons and of 7 web sites, only one of the Canadian ones I found is actually made in Canada and I've found none from here, the rest all import junk.
John Lebetski
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| Re: Disappointment with a Wix transmission filter [message #105600 is a reply to message #105576] |
Wed, 10 November 2010 06:46 |
bobby5832708
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Matt,
I have 2 Chinese Wix 68882's in my garage and on both of them on the pickup tubes, where you've measured about 1.5 inches, on mine are about .5 inch.
I would say you've got a bad filter and that not all Chinese Wixes are built this way.
Several years ago I had a Mexican Wix 68882 where the tube to the transmission was made wrong so that there was no way to properly install the filter. Good thing I had more than one in my garage as the second one, a Chinese Wix, fit properly. The two I currently have on the shelf are Chinese Wixes.
I wonder if, like Jim suggested, the same Chinese factory makes all the TH425 filters for everyone no matter whose name is on the box. I try my best to buy US-made products but it's getting tougher every day to find anything made here. These filters are just another example.
Bob Heller
2017 Winnebago 29VE
Winter Springs FL
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| Re: Disappointment with a Wix transmission filter [message #105604 is a reply to message #105580] |
Wed, 10 November 2010 07:27 |
Al Hamilton
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I also found problems with two Wix filters and ask for a Fram kit. One Wix had a bent tube. The other had a loose pick up tube. The Fram was made the same as the Wix with the same stampings on it, but without any problems I could find.
Al Hamilton,
76 Eleganza II,
Heart of the 1000 Islands, Ontario
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| Re: [GMCnet] Disappointment with a Wix transmission filter [message #105609 is a reply to message #105590] |
Wed, 10 November 2010 07:38 |
Carleton Douglas[1]
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How about getting Manny's input on what he is doing on this subject?
One way is to use a remote filter on the return line from the cooler,
any good engine oil filter will work.
On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
> They are all coming from there.
> There not popular enough to be made here , and all the filter co, are
> getting them from the same source.
> Brake parts are all coming from there.
> We are supporting the Communist Government this way.
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| Re: Disappointment with a Wix transmission filter [message #105611 is a reply to message #105600] |
Wed, 10 November 2010 07:40 |
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Matt Colie
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| bobby5832708 wrote on Wed, 10 November 2010 07:46 |
Matt,
I have 2 Chinese Wix 68882's in my garage and on both of them on the pickup tubes, where you've measured about 1.5 inches, on mine are about .5 inch.
I would say you've got a bad filter and that not all Chinese Wixes are built this way.
Several years ago I had a Mexican Wix 68882 where the tube to the transmission was made wrong so that there was no way to properly install the filter. Good thing I had more than one in my garage as the second one, a Chinese Wix, fit properly. The two I currently have on the shelf are Chinese Wixes.
I wonder if, like Jim suggested, the same Chinese factory makes all the TH425 filters for everyone no matter whose name is on the box. I try my best to buy US-made products but it's getting tougher every day to find anything made here. These filters are just another example.
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Bob,
I have the Wix part number as 58882.
What I was trying to show in the picture was the difference in elevation of the top of the pick up tube. The 3/8 of an inch and the shape of the tube may turn out to be a real bummer.
Back when people would hire me, I did an awful lot of aftermarket. Cross trading is a fact of that world. I even sold parts with competitors part number stamped on them, and boxed in their boxes. I would not be surprised if there is only one set of tooling left alive - and that make bad parts.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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| Re: Disappointment with a Wix transmission filter [message #105627 is a reply to message #105605] |
Wed, 10 November 2010 11:56 |
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| mcolie wrote on Wed, 10 November 2010 05:32 |
| Roy wrote on Tue, 09 November 2010 22:02 |
Matt
Did you determine where the snap ring came from? I found about 1/4" of one in mine but no idea where it came from?
Roy
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Roy,
The snap ring that failed in my trans was one that holds driver or driven shaft of the primary chain set in the bearing.
It is 0.060 thick, 0.125 wide and had an ID 1.250 at rest.
If this is what you found and the trans has not been apart recently, there is a pretty good chance that one of those sprockets will loose the rest of the snap ring and crawl enough to contact the chain cover. The noise it makes is really amazing.
Thanks Mat judging from the dimensions you provided what I am seeing is very likely the very end of that same snap ring. It looks like dropping the tyranny is in my future. Too bad for me I didn't pull the transmission pan sooner when I recently rebuilt the engine as it would have saved me a lot of work. In the meantime I'll keep an ear tuned for a strange noise.
Roy
Matt
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