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| To fill, or not to fill [message #104118] |
Mon, 25 October 2010 10:56  |
Gil Slaw
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Hi all,
It is close to the time to prepare the beast for its long winter's sleep and and I am undecided whether to fill the tanks and have 45 gal of "old" gas to contend with in the spring or leave the tanks as is (each about 1/2 full) and worry about accumulated condensation.
Any thoughts?
Gil
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| Re: To fill, or not to fill [message #104119 is a reply to message #104118] |
Mon, 25 October 2010 11:04  |
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I fill to keep down condensation it the tanks but I add fuel stabilizer to assure that the fuel will be fit to use next spring. Best to add the stabilizer then top off the tanks and run long enough to get the stabilized fuel all the way to the carb or injectors. JWID
Bill Brown - '77 Buckeye Cruiser
Coshocton OH
carguybill@sbcglobal.net
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| Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill [message #104122 is a reply to message #104118] |
Mon, 25 October 2010 11:18 |
Ken Henderson
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Yeah!
Forget that "long winter's sleep" foolishness! That's when you need to USE
the beast -- to get you where "winterization" isn't understood. :-)
Ken H.
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Gil Slaw <gslaw700@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>
> Hi all,
>
> It is close to the time to prepare the beast for its long winter's sleep
> and and I am undecided whether to fill the tanks and have 45 gal of "old"
> gas to contend with in the spring or leave the tanks as is (each about 1/2
> full) and worry about accumulated condensation.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Gil
>
>
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76 X-Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill [message #104131 is a reply to message #104120] |
Mon, 25 October 2010 11:47 |
k2gkk
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To preclude overflows when temperatures warm in Spring,
fill to absolute maximum at 95%, better only at 90%
to allow for expansion!
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* D C "Mac" Macdonald *
* Amateur Radio K2GKK *
* USAF & FAA, Retired *
** Oklahoma City, OK **
* * * "Money Pit" * * *
* * ex-Palm Beach, 76 *
* * * * * * * * * * * *
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:02:21 -0400
> From: dennisfsexton@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill
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> Add Stabil and fill them..
>
> Dennis
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> Dennis Sexton
> 73 GMC
> Germantown, TN
> USA
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gil Slaw <gslaw700@sbcglobal.net>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 10:56 am
> Subject: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill
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>
> Hi all,
> It is close to the time to prepare the beast for its long winter's sleep and and
> am undecided whether to fill the tanks and have 45 gal of "old" gas to contend
> ith in the spring or leave the tanks as is (each about 1/2 full) and worry
> bout accumulated condensation.
> Any thoughts?
> Gil
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill [message #104152 is a reply to message #104131] |
Mon, 25 October 2010 13:52 |
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USAussie
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Mac,
I am sorry to disagree with you but if you don't fill them up to the very
top you WILL get rust on the upper surface.
There is a gas station about 1/2 a mile from my storage facility. The very
last thing I do before storing Double Trouble is to fill the tanks up
COMPLETELY. In fact I fill them until it is almost coming out the filler
neck. I leave the station and drive directly to the storage facility and
park Double Trouble.
I have done this for the past two years and never have had any problem.
Having said this I should add that my storage facility is fully enclosed. If
you leave an air gap between the fuel and the top of the tank condensation
will occur and you will get rust.
I also add Seafoam to keep the gas "fresh."
Jim B. has noted a lot of rusty tank problems with coaches in Florida stored
with gas tanks not completely full.
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of D C *Mac* Macdonald
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:47 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill
To preclude overflows when temperatures warm in Spring,
fill to absolute maximum at 95%, better only at 90%
to allow for expansion!
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* D C "Mac" Macdonald *
* Amateur Radio K2GKK *
* USAF & FAA, Retired *
** Oklahoma City, OK **
* * * "Money Pit" * * *
* * ex-Palm Beach, 76 *
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> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:02:21 -0400
> From: dennisfsexton@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill
>
>
> Add Stabil and fill them..
>
> Dennis
>
>
> Dennis Sexton
> 73 GMC
> Germantown, TN
> USA
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gil Slaw <gslaw700@sbcglobal.net>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 10:56 am
> Subject: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill
>
>
>
> Hi all,
> It is close to the time to prepare the beast for its long winter's sleep
and and
> am undecided whether to fill the tanks and have 45 gal of "old" gas to
contend
> ith in the spring or leave the tanks as is (each about 1/2 full) and worry
> bout accumulated condensation.
> Any thoughts?
> Gil
>
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill [message #104173 is a reply to message #104152] |
Mon, 25 October 2010 16:12 |
k2gkk
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I guarantee that if you fill the tanks
in a boat when it is cool, when the
temps turn warmer as Winter nears its
end, you will spill fuel overboard and
subject yourself to monstrous fines
from Coast Guard and others for the
pollution of waters!
I have always used Sta-Bil for my
tanks. They now produce a version
for use with E10 gasoline.
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* D C "Mac" Macdonald *
* Amateur Radio K2GKK *
* USAF & FAA, Retired *
** Oklahoma City, OK **
* * * "Money Pit" * * *
* * ex-Palm Beach, 76 *
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* "An unarmed man can but flee *
* from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
* overcome by flight FROM it." *
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> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:52:37 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill
>
> Mac,
>
> I am sorry to disagree with you but if you don't fill them up to the very
> top you WILL get rust on the upper surface.
>
> There is a gas station about 1/2 a mile from my storage facility. The very
> last thing I do before storing Double Trouble is to fill the tanks up
> COMPLETELY. In fact I fill them until it is almost coming out the filler
> neck. I leave the station and drive directly to the storage facility and
> park Double Trouble.
>
> I have done this for the past two years and never have had any problem.
> Having said this I should add that my storage facility is fully enclosed. If
> you leave an air gap between the fuel and the top of the tank condensation
> will occur and you will get rust.
>
> I also add Seafoam to keep the gas "fresh."
>
> Jim B. has noted a lot of rusty tank problems with coaches in Florida stored
> with gas tanks not completely full.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of D C *Mac* Macdonald
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:47 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill
>
>
> To preclude overflows when temperatures warm in Spring,
> fill to absolute maximum at 95%, better only at 90%
> to allow for expansion!
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * *
> * D C "Mac" Macdonald *
> * Amateur Radio K2GKK *
> * USAF & FAA, Retired *
> ** Oklahoma City, OK **
> * * * "Money Pit" * * *
> * * ex-Palm Beach, 76 *
> * * * * * * * * * * * *
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| Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill [message #104176 is a reply to message #104175] |
Mon, 25 October 2010 16:22 |
Mr ERFisher
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sides
the alki takes care of the water collected in the tanks
gene
On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kelvin Dietz <kelvin@datsuns.com> wrote:
> Very likely that the routine would vary from State to State.
>
> Here in Oregon I've filled mine for 8 winters now. Not right to the
> brim on the filler neck, but I'm sure the tanks were full.
> No gas stabilizer of any kind. Never had a problem. And keep in mind
> we have the epitome of "humidity" here in Oregon.
>
> FWIW, one of my GMC owning buddies here in town didn't fill his a couple
> years ago. He had all sorts of problems with water in his gas when he
> fired it up in the Spring.
>
> As for using the coach in the Winter - well, that's when I do the big
> projects. I get in trouble for having the rig down in the Summer. When
> She wants to hit the road it better be available.
>
> Kelvin
> '73 23' in Eugene, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill [message #104179 is a reply to message #104176] |
Mon, 25 October 2010 16:24 |
k2gkk
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Only to the point where something
called "phase separation" occurs.
That process is beyond my knowledge,
but fuel "experts" speak of it.
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* D C "Mac" Macdonald *
* Amateur Radio K2GKK *
* USAF & FAA, Retired *
** Oklahoma City, OK **
* * * "Money Pit" * * *
* * ex-Palm Beach, 76 *
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> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:22:41 -0700
> From: mr.erfisher@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill
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> sides
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> the alki takes care of the water collected in the tanks
>
> gene
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> On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 2:20 PM, Kelvin Dietz wrote:
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> > Very likely that the routine would vary from State to State.
> >
> > Here in Oregon I've filled mine for 8 winters now. Not right to the
> > brim on the filler neck, but I'm sure the tanks were full.
> > No gas stabilizer of any kind. Never had a problem. And keep in mind
> > we have the epitome of "humidity" here in Oregon.
> >
> > FWIW, one of my GMC owning buddies here in town didn't fill his a couple
> > years ago. He had all sorts of problems with water in his gas when he
> > fired it up in the Spring.
> >
> > As for using the coach in the Winter - well, that's when I do the big
> > projects. I get in trouble for having the rig down in the Summer. When
> > She wants to hit the road it better be available.
> >
> > Kelvin
> > '73 23' in Eugene, OR
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| Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill [message #104218 is a reply to message #104173] |
Mon, 25 October 2010 19:45 |
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USAussie
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Mac,
I'll have to remember not to fill the tanks fully on Double Trouble next
time I fill up at the dock!
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie
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From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of D C *Mac* Macdonald
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 4:13 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill
I guarantee that if you fill the tanks
in a boat when it is cool, when the
temps turn warmer as Winter nears its
end, you will spill fuel overboard and
subject yourself to monstrous fines
from Coast Guard and others for the
pollution of waters!
I have always used Sta-Bil for my
tanks. They now produce a version
for use with E10 gasoline.
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* D C "Mac" Macdonald *
* Amateur Radio K2GKK *
* USAF & FAA, Retired *
** Oklahoma City, OK **
* * * "Money Pit" * * *
* * ex-Palm Beach, 76 *
* * * * * * * * * * * *
* "An unarmed man can but flee *
* from evil. Evil can NEVER be *
* overcome by flight FROM it." *
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> From: robmueller@iinet.net.au
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:52:37 -0500
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill
>
> Mac,
>
> I am sorry to disagree with you but if you don't fill them up to the very
> top you WILL get rust on the upper surface.
>
> There is a gas station about 1/2 a mile from my storage facility. The very
> last thing I do before storing Double Trouble is to fill the tanks up
> COMPLETELY. In fact I fill them until it is almost coming out the filler
> neck. I leave the station and drive directly to the storage facility and
> park Double Trouble.
>
> I have done this for the past two years and never have had any problem.
> Having said this I should add that my storage facility is fully enclosed.
If
> you leave an air gap between the fuel and the top of the tank condensation
> will occur and you will get rust.
>
> I also add Seafoam to keep the gas "fresh."
>
> Jim B. has noted a lot of rusty tank problems with coaches in Florida
stored
> with gas tanks not completely full.
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of D C *Mac* Macdonald
> Sent: Monday, October 25, 2010 11:47 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill
>
>
> To preclude overflows when temperatures warm in Spring,
> fill to absolute maximum at 95%, better only at 90%
> to allow for expansion!
>
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * *
> * D C "Mac" Macdonald *
> * Amateur Radio K2GKK *
> * USAF & FAA, Retired *
> ** Oklahoma City, OK **
> * * * "Money Pit" * * *
> * * ex-Palm Beach, 76 *
> * * * * * * * * * * * *
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] To fill, or not to fill [message #104281 is a reply to message #104217] |
Tue, 26 October 2010 12:47 |
Oldngray
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Shoot we always have bugs, prefer them to Hurricanes. Our real buggy season is almost over, once the rains stops. The Hurricane season pretty much runs with the bugs, it too is very near its end.
Richard MacDonald
Punta Gorda, Florida
Sold our TZE April 2015
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| Re: To fill, or not to fill [message #104296 is a reply to message #104260] |
Tue, 26 October 2010 15:19 |
Gil Slaw
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Dan,
Thanks for your insight, it looks like you bought some real vintage California gas at $4.75, no corn juice in it I would guess.
I am a full tank believer now and I will fill up as soon as the Illinois winds calm down a bit and before the prices take on the winter premium.
Gil
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