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| Re: [GMCnet] shocker--- Dual bag discontinued [message #103064 is a reply to message #103063] |
Fri, 15 October 2010 11:05   |
Len Novak
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Wonderful...........my son and I installed it on my coach several months
ago.................
Len and Pat
78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
Fallbrook, CA
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Paul Leavitt
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 9:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] shocker--- Dual bag discontinued
I spoke with Jim at DuQ and asked about the discontinued "dual bag" and he
said it was discontinued,,,,,PL
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| Re: [GMCnet] shocker--- Dual bag discontinued [message #103068 is a reply to message #103044] |
Fri, 15 October 2010 11:42 |
jimk
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We struggled with the decision for couple weeks with our designers and
viewing CAD models.
There were times we had to use other brand of air bags than the
Firestone, we used Good Year and Triangle.
The result with the Goodyear was what prompted us to really look at
the problem with coaches that had worn boggie pins.
When the coach turns sharply, the boggies twist dramatically when pins
are not tight and also if they are decent.
Good Year bags are very soft walled and will hot dog horizontally at
that point. when they both hot dog at the same time in opposite
direction, it would twist the middle paddle.
We know that the Firestone bags behave when new, but we have no way of
knowing what it will do few years from now.
We are offering to update them to the Quadra Bag for $400 or give full refund.
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
> At the TI rally folks asked me why the "dualbag" was discontinued.... I
> said  it was news to me.
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> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/822
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> anyone know ?
> JimK was on the road
> gene
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| Re: [GMCnet] shocker--- Dual bag discontinued [message #103072 is a reply to message #103068] |
Fri, 15 October 2010 12:25 |
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Well poop! My right bag has a lil checking in it, the left was replaced by the PO before I got the coach. Guess I got a 4 bagger in my future after tires...
| jimk wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 11:42 |
We struggled with the decision for couple weeks with our designers and
viewing CAD models.
There were times we had to use other brand of air bags than the
Firestone, we used Good Year and Triangle.
The result with the Goodyear was what prompted us to really look at
the problem with coaches that had worn boggie pins.
When the coach turns sharply, the boggies twist dramatically when pins
are not tight and also if they are decent.
Good Year bags are very soft walled and will hot dog horizontally at
that point. when they both hot dog at the same time in opposite
direction, it would twist the middle paddle.
We know that the Firestone bags behave when new, but we have no way of
knowing what it will do few years from now.
We are offering to update them to the Quadra Bag for $400 or give full refund.
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
> At the TI rally folks asked me why the "dualbag" was discontinued.... I
> said ??it was news to me.
>
> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/822
>
> anyone know ?
> JimK was on the road
> gene
>
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> --
> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> ???Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> -------
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> Alternator Protection Cable
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
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73 Canyon Lands, (a.k.a. The Yellow Submarine) West Los Angeles CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] shocker--- Dual bag discontinued [message #103074 is a reply to message #103044] |
Fri, 15 October 2010 13:01 |
GeorgeRud
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I have to applaud JimK and the others for an honest response to the question. All too often, one gets a runaround answer, and rarely are folks given the real answer. Kudos for trying to solve problems and standing up to problems that show up.
I installed a quadrabag system a year ago, and I think that folks should be happy to spend the extra money to upgrade to that system, it does work very nicely and is a well built upgrade.
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] shocker--- Dual bag discontinued [message #103078 is a reply to message #103068] |
Fri, 15 October 2010 13:15 |
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ljdavick
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Jim,
Would this issue be solved with true-trackers? It seems to me that they would eliminate the twist.
Larry Davick
On Oct 15, 2010, at 9:42 AM, Jim Kanomata <jimkanomata@gmail.com> wrote:
> We struggled with the decision for couple weeks with our designers and
> viewing CAD models.
> There were times we had to use other brand of air bags than the
> Firestone, we used Good Year and Triangle.
> The result with the Goodyear was what prompted us to really look at
> the problem with coaches that had worn boggie pins.
> When the coach turns sharply, the boggies twist dramatically when pins
> are not tight and also if they are decent.
> Good Year bags are very soft walled and will hot dog horizontally at
> that point. when they both hot dog at the same time in opposite
> direction, it would twist the middle paddle.
> We know that the Firestone bags behave when new, but we have no way of
> knowing what it will do few years from now.
> We are offering to update them to the Quadra Bag for $400 or give full refund.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
>> At the TI rally folks asked me why the "dualbag" was discontinued.... I
>> said it was news to me.
>>
>> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/822
>>
>> anyone know ?
>> JimK was on the road
>> gene
>>
>>
>> --
>> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
>> “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
>> -------
>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
>> Alternator Protection Cable
>> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
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>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
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1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, Ca
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| Re: [GMCnet] shocker--- Dual bag discontinued [message #103081 is a reply to message #103079] |
Fri, 15 October 2010 14:07 |
Dennis S
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Larry,
Yes, makes sense. Many owners have stated that the single best imporvement came from installing true track -- at least on the leading control arms.
As for the twist with the four bag system -- perhaps using a ball and socket for the lower point instead of a hinge would correct the issue. But, for me the full quadra bag is probably the best solution if/when the time comes for an upgrade.
Also, we are fortunate to have vendors who are willing to develop these alternate systems for our coaches and need to do what we can to help if they have issues after the sale. It's not like they have deep pockets and a huge market to sell into.
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA
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From: Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net>
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Sent: Fri, Oct 15, 2010 1:28 pm
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] shocker--- Dual bag discontinued
But more than just solving the issue with the 4 bag system, it seems to me that
rue-Trackers are almost "must have" items for the leading bogey. The bogey
wist when turning is not beneficial - it does not improve steering, tire wear,
uspension wear, and so on.
Come to think of it the bogeys probably try to toe (in or out) while driving
oo.
If the bogey twist causes issues with the 4-bag system, then I imagine it's not
elping the Quadrabag either. The Quadrabag system is simply stout enough to
andle the twist.
Does this make any sense, or am I blowing hot air?
-
arry Davick
he Mystery Machine
976 Palm Beach
remont, Ca
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| Re: [GMCnet] shocker--- Dual bag discontinued [message #103084 is a reply to message #103073] |
Fri, 15 October 2010 15:20 |
jimk
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Mike,
We have made them for others,one have refused to pull it off the
market and insist there is no problem with them as long as Firestone
bags are used.I say otherwise.
There is no real danger, but I cannot have people on side of a street.
We have 40 sets sitting here and they will not leave here.
Some have commented that we did this only to promote the Q Bag. If
that was the case, there would not have Dual Bag kits of 40 sets
collecting dust.
The Quadra Bag Kits are selling well on their own, so no need to play games.
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Mike O'Connell
<moconnell2000@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> JimK,
> Are Dual bags bought through other channels (for me, Jim Bounds) subject to the same upgrade/return policy and if so do I go through him?
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> Deerfield, MA
> '75 Eleganza
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| Re: [GMCnet] shocker--- Dual bag discontinued [message #103095 is a reply to message #103081] |
Fri, 15 October 2010 16:25 |
Ken Burton
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| Dennis S wrote on Fri, 15 October 2010 14:07 |
Larry,
Yes, makes sense. Many owners have stated that the single best imporvement came from installing true track -- at least on the leading control arms.
As for the twist with the four bag system -- perhaps using a ball and socket for the lower point instead of a hinge would correct the issue.
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That was my thinking when I heard about this problem a few weeks back.
That center pivot point was only to support the joint between the two bags.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] shocker--- Dual bag discontinued [message #103099 is a reply to message #103085] |
Fri, 15 October 2010 16:43 |
jimk
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You are correct in some ways, but the Q Bag has some hidden designs
that yo do not see till one gets the kit.
The fact that each wheel operates independently off each bag decreases
the chances of the back tire from skidding so much on hard stops.
The replacement bags are $100 each, so its a good deal on the long run
and the handling is considerably better than the standard bag.
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Charles Wood <cbwoodsr@swbell.net> wrote:
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> It looks like to me, the only difference in architecture is the type of center mount.
> One's sturdy, the other to flex.
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> 77 Kingslay
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