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| [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102480] |
Sun, 10 October 2010 22:04  |
wdminor
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While checking out the Taft's coach in Wausau, WI., I noticed many
things that everyone was questioning.
All rubber fuel lines had been replaced during the restoration in MI.
An Additional fuel filter had been installed in the rubber line going to
the fuel pump.
All rubber fuel lines were securely clamped.
New low profile intake manifold (RPM on aluminum casting) without
crossover was in place with electrically operated choke.
Engine was virtually spotless (fresh rebuild)
Firing order was OK.
New brake lines throughout.
Engine started OK, but idle was less than smooth compared to my 455's
No vacuum advance movement noted during initial testing - movement OK
after bypassing TVS.
Test drive confirmed fuel starvation even though the fuel pump was new
and both filters had been previously checked.
Personally checked carburetor filter due to feeling pulses from fuel pump.
Found carb filter was 'bowed' out due to pressure and unable to blow
through.
Checked the Wal-Mart next door for filters -not available.
Drove to nearby CarQuest and we purchased 2 filters (1 for spare) for $4.64.
Installed 1 filter ad restarted engine.
Immediately noticed engine was idling slightly smoother and pulling better.
Test drive confirmed full power was now available with Quadrajet
secondaries kicking in fully.
Take care!
Bill Minor
Antioch, IL
3 - GMC 23's
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102486 is a reply to message #102480] |
Sun, 10 October 2010 22:46  |
Ken Burton
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By any chance did you keep or cut open the removed filter. I'm interested in what was inside it. I'm thinking rust from inside the the line between the fuel pump and the carb. That coach sat for 13 years.
I had that happen to me once. If that is what the problem was then the amount of rust trapped in the new filter will probably diminish with driving and gas flowing through it.
One would think the first filter would catch anything coming out of the tanks. That is why I'm thinking about that steel line.
It also could just be dirt caught in the line during reassembly of the engine during rebuild.
Thanks for going up there and helping them. You saved Larry and me a trip. I jokingly told Heather that I was disappointed that it was running because it took away my reason to go for an airplane ride.
The opposite is really true. I felt really bad for them being trapped there for that long. I would have liked to see the people at the dealership when you got it running and he drove away. Six days for a fuel filter problem is beyond ridiculous.
Thanks again from all of us. We are all happy to see he is on his way.
Ken B.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102494 is a reply to message #102486] |
Sun, 10 October 2010 23:28 |
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USAussie
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Ken,
Me too!
I would also like to know where the additional filter was.
When I removed the Holley from Double Trouble and installed a Dick Paterson
Quadra jet I was at the COOP and we installed Teflon lined braided SS line
with insulation on the outside.
I don't think it's ridiculous, it's a sign of the times - there was no
computer connection to the engine to troubleshoot the problem for the
mechanics at the dealership! ;-)
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC
By any chance did you keep or cut open the removed filter. I'm interested
in what was inside it. I'm thinking rust from inside the the line between
the fuel pump and the carb. That coach sat for 13 years.
I had that happen to me once. If that is what the problem was then the
amount of rust trapped in the new filter will probably diminish with driving
and gas flowing through it.
One would think the first filter would catch anything coming out of the
tanks. That is why I'm thinking about that steel line.
It also could just be dirt caught in the line during reassembly of the
engine during rebuild.
Thanks for going up there and helping them. You saved Larry and me a trip.
I jokingly told Heather that I was disappointed that it was running because
it took away my reason to go for an airplane ride.
The opposite is really true. I felt really bad for them being trapped there
for that long. I would have liked to see the people at the dealership when
you got it running and he drove away. Six days for a fuel filter problem
is beyond ridiculous.
Thanks again from all of us. We are all happy to see he is on his way.
Ken B.
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Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102496 is a reply to message #102494] |
Sun, 10 October 2010 23:50 |
James Hupy
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In fairness to the modern techs, most of them never grew up with engines
that didn't have emissions, real gasoline of 100+ octane without alcohol,
computers, fuel injection an on and on. Their training is heavy into
electronics and computer diagnostics and most of them wouldn't know a vacuum
leak if it bit them in the butt, to say nothing of a distributor with
points. Turning them loose on a GMC is a cruel joke with people like us
paying the bill. Guys of my generation are getting old enough now that they
have difficulty generating much enthusiasm for crawling around on cold
concrete floors or gravel driveways. I guess the responsibility befalls me
and others to impart as much mechanical knowledge to younger guys as we can,
while we can. The work is still challenging to me and I will keep at it as
long as I am able.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:28 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> Ken,
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> Me too!
>
> I would also like to know where the additional filter was.
>
> When I removed the Holley from Double Trouble and installed a Dick Paterson
> Quadra jet I was at the COOP and we installed Teflon lined braided SS line
> with insulation on the outside.
>
> I don't think it's ridiculous, it's a sign of the times - there was no
> computer connection to the engine to troubleshoot the problem for the
> mechanics at the dealership! ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob M.
> USAussie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Burton
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 10:46 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC
>
> By any chance did you keep or cut open the removed filter. I'm interested
> in what was inside it. I'm thinking rust from inside the the line between
> the fuel pump and the carb. That coach sat for 13 years.
>
> I had that happen to me once. If that is what the problem was then the
> amount of rust trapped in the new filter will probably diminish with
> driving
> and gas flowing through it.
>
> One would think the first filter would catch anything coming out of the
> tanks. That is why I'm thinking about that steel line.
>
> It also could just be dirt caught in the line during reassembly of the
> engine during rebuild.
>
> Thanks for going up there and helping them. You saved Larry and me a trip.
> I jokingly told Heather that I was disappointed that it was running because
> it took away my reason to go for an airplane ride.
>
> The opposite is really true. I felt really bad for them being trapped
> there
> for that long. I would have liked to see the people at the dealership when
> you got it running and he drove away. Six days for a fuel filter problem
> is beyond ridiculous.
>
> Thanks again from all of us. We are all happy to see he is on his way.
>
> Ken B.
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102497 is a reply to message #102496] |
Mon, 11 October 2010 00:13 |
Ken Burton
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| James Hupy wrote on Sun, 10 October 2010 23:50 |
In fairness to the modern techs, most of them never grew up with engines
that didn't have emissions, real gasoline of 100+ octane without alcohol,
computers, fuel injection an on and on. Their training is heavy into
electronics and computer diagnostics and most of them wouldn't know a vacuum
leak if it bit them in the butt, to say nothing of a distributor with
points. Turning them loose on a GMC is a cruel joke with people like us
paying the bill.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
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I wonder who fixes their chainsaws, weed wackers, lawn mowers, jet skis, snowmobiles, airplanes, outboard motors, boats, and motorcycles for them. All have a carb and no diagnostic port. In my opinion they are no different than the high school drop out that can not make change at the fast food joint without a machine telling them how much to hand out.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102517 is a reply to message #102497] |
Mon, 11 October 2010 07:27 |
midlf
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| Ken Burton wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 00:13 |
I wonder who fixes their chainsaws, weed wackers, lawn mowers, jet skis, snowmobiles, airplanes, outboard motors, boats, and motorcycles for them. All have a carb and no diagnostic port. In my opinion they are no different than the high school drop out that can not make change at the fast food joint without a machine telling them how much to hand out.
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They don't fix them. No knowledge on how to fix. Also no parts and no manuals easily available. They throw them out and get a new one.
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102527 is a reply to message #102496] |
Mon, 11 October 2010 08:55 |
Dennis S
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| James Hupy wrote on Sun, 10 October 2010 23:50 |
I guess the responsibility befalls me
and others to impart as much mechanical knowledge to younger guys as we can,
while we can. The work is still challenging to me and I will keep at it as
long as I am able.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
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Jim,
Yes, please continue -- as some of us "older" young guys are still learning too.
Dennis
Dennis S
73 Painted Desert 230
Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102529 is a reply to message #102480] |
Mon, 11 October 2010 09:04 |
Dennis S
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Bill,
Truly outstanding of you do drive that distance to help out -- thank you.
Since it had been earlier reported that the Chevy dealership replaced the fuel filters, I wonder if they only replaced the one in the rubber fuel line and not the one in the carb? Perhaps they were unaware of the carb filter.
Without some direct report from the Tafts just speculation on my part.
Dennis
| wdminor wrote on Sun, 10 October 2010 22:04 |
While checking out the Taft's coach in Wausau, WI., I noticed many
things that everyone was questioning.
All rubber fuel lines had been replaced during the restoration in MI.
An Additional fuel filter had been installed in the rubber line going to
the fuel pump.
All rubber fuel lines were securely clamped.
New low profile intake manifold (RPM on aluminum casting) without
crossover was in place with electrically operated choke.
Engine was virtually spotless (fresh rebuild)
Firing order was OK.
New brake lines throughout.
Engine started OK, but idle was less than smooth compared to my 455's
No vacuum advance movement noted during initial testing - movement OK
after bypassing TVS.
Test drive confirmed fuel starvation even though the fuel pump was new
and both filters had been previously checked.
Personally checked carburetor filter due to feeling pulses from fuel pump.
Found carb filter was 'bowed' out due to pressure and unable to blow
through.
Checked the Wal-Mart next door for filters -not available.
Drove to nearby CarQuest and we purchased 2 filters (1 for spare) for $4.64.
Installed 1 filter ad restarted engine.
Immediately noticed engine was idling slightly smoother and pulling better.
Test drive confirmed full power was now available with Quadrajet
secondaries kicking in fully.
Take care!
Bill Minor
Antioch, IL
3 - GMC 23's
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102537 is a reply to message #102517] |
Mon, 11 October 2010 09:46 |
James Hupy
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We, as a society, have gotten away from the value system of "Buy the best
quality that you can afford, and use it wisely, maintain it well, and keep
it as long as you can." We now live in what I call a disposable society,
diapers, wives, husbands, cars, fast food, prepared meals in the stores,
fast food restaurants, pre packaged hardware of asian manufacture, OSB
instead of real wood, plastic instead of metal, the beat goes on, la de da
de da. If we continue like this, what does the future have in store for us
as a Nation? I think that is one of the reasons that the GMC has so much
appeal for so many of us, it represents a time and a place, accurately
remembered or not, that we prefer to the one currently available. How is
that "Hope and Change" working for you? It is monday morning, I haven't had
my freshly home brewed coffee from my 10 year old percolator yet, I just
spent most of Sunday driving back from Seattle on Interstate 5 with
thousands of other fools like myself, and I am glad to be home with My wife
of 49 years, and my dog, my shop and tools and GMC that I enjoy. Don't look
back too often, something evil might be gaining on me, and while I am
looking back, it increases the odds of running smack into something in front
of me. Happy GMCing out there.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 Royale 403
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Steve Southworth <midlf@centurytel.net>wrote:
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> Ken Burton wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 00:13
> > I wonder who fixes their chainsaws, weed wackers, lawn mowers, jet skis,
> snowmobiles, airplanes, outboard motors, boats, and motorcycles for them.
> All have a carb and no diagnostic port. In my opinion they are no different
> than the high school drop out that can not make change at the fast food
> joint without a machine telling them how much to hand out.
>
>
>
> They don't fix them. No knowledge on how to fix. Also no parts and no
> manuals easily available. They throw them out and get a new one.
> --
> Steve Southworth
> 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150
> Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102542 is a reply to message #102537] |
Mon, 11 October 2010 10:29 |
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hnielsen2
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Location: Alpine CA
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Guys;
I can only agree.
Wife of forty years and still love her very much.
Thank You
Howard
Alpine Ca
74 Canyon Lands
50 Chevy P/U
85 El Camino
57 Cushman Minuit Miser
And the new one 1998 Durango
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Hupy" <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC
> We, as a society, have gotten away from the value system of "Buy the best
> quality that you can afford, and use it wisely, maintain it well, and keep
> it as long as you can." We now live in what I call a disposable society,
> diapers, wives, husbands, cars, fast food, prepared meals in the stores,
> fast food restaurants, pre packaged hardware of asian manufacture, OSB
> instead of real wood, plastic instead of metal, the beat goes on, la de da
> de da. If we continue like this, what does the future have in store for us
> as a Nation? I think that is one of the reasons that the GMC has so much
> appeal for so many of us, it represents a time and a place, accurately
> remembered or not, that we prefer to the one currently available. How is
> that "Hope and Change" working for you? It is monday morning, I haven't
> had
> my freshly home brewed coffee from my 10 year old percolator yet, I just
> spent most of Sunday driving back from Seattle on Interstate 5 with
> thousands of other fools like myself, and I am glad to be home with My
> wife
> of 49 years, and my dog, my shop and tools and GMC that I enjoy. Don't
> look
> back too often, something evil might be gaining on me, and while I am
> looking back, it increases the odds of running smack into something in
> front
> of me. Happy GMCing out there.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, OR
> 78 Royale 403
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>> Ken Burton wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 00:13
>> > I wonder who fixes their chainsaws, weed wackers, lawn mowers, jet
>> > skis,
>> snowmobiles, airplanes, outboard motors, boats, and motorcycles for them.
>> All have a carb and no diagnostic port. In my opinion they are no
>> different
>> than the high school drop out that can not make change at the fast food
>> joint without a machine telling them how much to hand out.
>>
>>
>>
>> They don't fix them. No knowledge on how to fix. Also no parts and no
>> manuals easily available. They throw them out and get a new one.
>> --
>> Steve Southworth
>> 1974 Glacier TZE064V100150
>> Palmyra WI
>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102543 is a reply to message #102537] |
Mon, 11 October 2010 10:30 |
Dennis S
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Jim,
Your comments about older methods, and quality products reminded me --
On another forum I frequent about bamboo fly rods -- an off topic discussion (they can get as far off topic as we do on the GMCnet) about shaving and using double edged blades had this link
http://www.classicshaving.com/Home.html
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA
-----Original Message-----
From: James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Mon, Oct 11, 2010 9:46 am
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC
We, as a society, have gotten away from the value system of "Buy the best
uality that you can afford, and use it wisely, maintain it well, and keep
t as long as you can." We now live in what I call a disposable society,
iapers, wives, husbands, cars, fast food, prepared meals in the stores,
ast food restaurants, pre packaged hardware of asian manufacture, OSB
nstead of real wood, plastic instead of metal, the beat goes on, la de da
e da. If we continue like this, what does the future have in store for us
s a Nation? I think that is one of the reasons that the GMC has so much
ppeal for so many of us, it represents a time and a place, accurately
emembered or not, that we prefer to the one currently available. How is
hat "Hope and Change" working for you? It is monday morning, I haven't had
y freshly home brewed coffee from my 10 year old percolator yet, I just
pent most of Sunday driving back from Seattle on Interstate 5 with
housands of other fools like myself, and I am glad to be home with My wife
f 49 years, and my dog, my shop and tools and GMC that I enjoy. Don't look
ack too often, something evil might be gaining on me, and while I am
ooking back, it increases the odds of running smack into something in front
f me. Happy GMCing out there.
im Hupy
alem, OR
8 Royale 403
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Steve Southworth <midlf@centurytel.net>wrote:
>
Ken Burton wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 00:13
> I wonder who fixes their chainsaws, weed wackers, lawn mowers, jet skis,
snowmobiles, airplanes, outboard motors, boats, and motorcycles for them.
All have a carb and no diagnostic port. In my opinion they are no different
than the high school drop out that can not make change at the fast food
joint without a machine telling them how much to hand out.
They don't fix them. No knowledge on how to fix. Also no parts and no
manuals easily available. They throw them out and get a new one.
--
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102547 is a reply to message #102543] |
Mon, 11 October 2010 11:08 |
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LOL
The Old Ways Are Usually Allways Great
BUT
sometimes there comes a time to change some things ~
For Example,
It was way back in 1957, shortly after I had gotten Married,
Oh Well, We Had A Very Heated Argument, While I Was Shaving,
about her wanting to take a 350 mile trip to see her Mother
and I told her that she could not go at that time. It seems
that it was the first time anyone had ever told her 'NO' ~
Later as I was picking up broken pieces of the mirror, plates,
cups and anything else that she could throw
I felt "It Was Time To Quit Usiag My Grampa's Straight Razor"
~ So I Put It Away ~
I hadn't thought of that in years ~ LOL ~
~ Joe ~
{ hope Momma don't see this post }
/_]*[__][] *[__|] ~ * '73 TZE063V101887 "
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O----------OO--]* ~ '78 TZE168V100234 "
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" Joe & Lavelle " "
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'sweet home alebamy'
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102717 is a reply to message #102480] |
Tue, 12 October 2010 16:37 |
JohnL455
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Well written synopsis of your finds and fixes to get them back on the road. A logical process led you to the fix. The same actually does apply to an ODBII car. Basic mechanicals are still basic mechanicals. A lot of wasted parts replacement could be avoided if the mechanics would do some prliminary basic mechanicing in conjunction to having their faces glued to the computer diag screen.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] Taft GMC [message #102795 is a reply to message #102480] |
Wed, 13 October 2010 11:42 |
jimk
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Bill,
Terrific assistance and analysing.
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Bill Minor <wdminor@earthlink.net> wrote:
> While checking out the Taft's coach in Wausau, WI., I noticed many
> things that everyone was questioning.
>
> All rubber fuel lines had been replaced during the restoration in MI.
> An Additional fuel filter had been installed in the rubber line going to
> the fuel pump.
> All rubber fuel lines were securely clamped.
> New low profile intake manifold (RPM on aluminum casting) without
> crossover was in place with electrically operated choke.
> Engine was virtually spotless (fresh rebuild)
> Firing order was OK.
> New brake lines throughout.
> Engine started OK, but idle was less than smooth compared to my 455's
> No vacuum advance movement noted during initial testing - movement OK
> after bypassing TVS.
>
> Test drive confirmed fuel starvation even though the fuel pump was new
> and both filters had been previously checked.
> Personally checked carburetor filter due to feeling pulses from fuel pump.
> Found carb filter was 'bowed' out due to pressure and unable to blow
> through.
>
> Checked the Wal-Mart next door for filters -not available.
> Drove to nearby CarQuest and we purchased 2 filters (1 for spare) for $4.64.
>
> Installed 1 filter ad restarted engine.
> Immediately noticed engine was idling slightly smoother and pulling better.
> Test drive confirmed full power was now available with Quadrajet
> secondaries kicking in fully.
>
> Take care!
>
> Bill Minor
> Antioch, IL
> 3 - GMC 23's
>
>
>
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http://www.appliedgmc.com
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| Learning the basics [message #102799 is a reply to message #102497] |
Wed, 13 October 2010 12:04 |
bukzin
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| Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 10 October 2010 22:13 |
| James Hupy wrote on Sun, 10 October 2010 23:50 |
In fairness to the modern techs, most of them never grew up with engines
that didn't have emissions, real gasoline of 100+ octane without alcohol,
computers, fuel injection an on and on. Their training is heavy into
electronics and computer diagnostics and most of them wouldn't know a vacuum
leak if it bit them in the butt, to say nothing of a distributor with
points. Turning them loose on a GMC is a cruel joke with people like us
paying the bill.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
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I wonder who fixes their chainsaws, weed wackers, lawn mowers, jet skis, snowmobiles, airplanes, outboard motors, boats, and motorcycles for them. All have a carb and no diagnostic port. In my opinion they are no different than the high school drop out that can not make change at the fast food joint without a machine telling them how much to hand out.
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Ken, Good points. Maybe a better funded/better run public
school system would help us all.
Bukzin
1977 Palm Beach
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| Re: Learning the basics [message #102827 is a reply to message #102799] |
Wed, 13 October 2010 15:54 |
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Modern mechanics don't diagnose the way we do. the come up with a list of possible parts that could be the problem, get ALL of them and put them on. Hopefully one of them was the problem.
They get paid by the job. If they get it done in a minute and it's listed as an hour, they paid for the hour.
If they take longer, they still get paid for the hour.
Parts on the other hand are free to the mechanic.
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
ask me about MicroLevel
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| Re: [GMCnet] Learning the basics [message #102830 is a reply to message #102827] |
Wed, 13 October 2010 16:29 |
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Also, most places where you work on flat rate, you have to meet and/or
exceed it to maintain favor with the service scheduler/advisor. This insures
that you don't get all the crap jobs that come in. Sure can't make any money
if you don't beat it. Almost gurantees that your technician will use every
rattle wrench and shortcut method to keep up. When you do this consistently,
Murphy will get you unless you are very thorough. Been there, done that.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 Royale 403
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Modern mechanics don't diagnose the way we do. the come up with a list of
> possible parts that could be the problem, get ALL of them and put them on.
> Hopefully one of them was the problem.
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> They get paid by the job. If they get it done in a minute and it's listed
> as an hour, they paid for the hour.
> If they take longer, they still get paid for the hour.
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> Parts on the other hand are free to the mechanic.
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> Keith
> 69 Vette
> 29 Dodge
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