| Urge the President: No Extra Ethanol without Testing [message #102006] |
Wed, 06 October 2010 09:34  |
Firefly
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Here's a web page that everyone should be able to appreciate - an appeal to the President (of the US) to defer increasing the percentage of Ethanol in Gasoline without appropriate research and impact analysis - in the form of a petition.
It has this verbiage, space to add your own comments and the option to compose your own message altogether (be careful, now - don't get too excited).
"Dear Mr. President:
I strongly urge you stop the Environmental Protection Agency from raising the amount of ethanol in our gasoline from today’s 10 percent (E10) to 15 percent (E15) – a 50 percent increase. EPA should not act hastily on this issue. It should wait for the results of thorough and objective scientific testing on the impact of E15 on all gasoline-powered engines."
http://www.followthescience.org/take-action/
I will be including in my own message why the current Ethanol strategy is a failure from the contamination aspect as well as its impact on the production and price of foodstuffs because of the diversion to fuel.
Mark Scoble, Lunenburg, MA - 1973 23' Palm Beach Stretched to 32' and in residence at the GMC Co-Op in Orlando, FL
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| Re: Urge the President: No Extra Ethanol without Testing [message #102013 is a reply to message #102006] |
Wed, 06 October 2010 10:17  |
hertfordnc
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THis is not an opinion based on politics- not my politics, anyway.
But I think this is futile.
How much economic power is there in the community of old carbed engines?
We are up against the combine forces of the green movement and the farm lobby. That's both sides of the aisle.
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: Urge the President: No Extra Ethanol without Testing [message #102025 is a reply to message #102018] |
Wed, 06 October 2010 11:16 |
hertfordnc
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Nope, it won't go viral- maybe within our little subculture of vintage vehicles, street rods and such.
But we are against a very strong tide.
But what if we marched on Washington? It wouldn't do a bit of good but it would be fun.
Reach out to all the sub groups of motorheads affected by this and drive to DC.
Motohomes, vintage cars, street rods, classic wooden speedboats.....
It would make for great television.
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Urge the President: No Extra Ethanol without Testing [message #102032 is a reply to message #102028] |
Wed, 06 October 2010 11:59 |
James Hupy
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I have much experience with engines not installed in a motor vehicle,
Inboards, outboards, industrial engines, mowers, tillage, turf, lawn and
garden, landscape and agricultural, chain saws, etc. All of these engines
are adversely affected by alcohol blended fuels. Many of them have plastic
fuel tanks of many different formulations as well as rubber fuel lines and
carb parts. I have seen the new "wonder fuel" boil in tanks so vigorously
that the tanks balloon in size. Try that out the next time you have your
leaf blower strapped on your back. See if that instills confidence in you
that "We're from the government, and we're here to help you1" mantra that
they are chanting so many times that they have started to believe it
themselves. Enough rant for this post. All I can say is our carbureted GmCs
don't like this swill much better.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 9:34 AM, Armand Minnie <armand@minniebiz.com> wrote:
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> vehicles but there are many other issues. Follow the link and read the
> petition. JWID
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| EPA expected to approve higher blends of ethanol in gasoline [message #102776 is a reply to message #102006] |
Wed, 13 October 2010 06:57 |
Firefly
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EPA expected to approve higher blends of ethanol in gasoline
By Steven Mufson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 13, 2010; 12:13 AM
The Environmental Protection Agency is expected to announce Wednesday that it has approved motor fuel with higher blends of ethanol for use in newer vehicles, but is still weighing the use of such blends in older cars and trucks, administration and industry sources said last night.
The agency will grant a waiver to existing rules to allow the use of E15 - made with 15 percent ethanol and 85 percent gasoline - in cars made in model year 2007 or more recently.
But the agency is still awaiting Energy Department test results on 2001 through 2006 models to make sure that the higher ethanol content doesn't harm engines, said the sources, who spoke on the condition of anonymity ahead of the announcement. EPA administrator Lisa Jackson has indicated in the past that those tests should be complete by the end of November.
An ethanol industry source said that a labeling program would also be announced to help assure that motorists with older vehicles don't mistakenly fill up with the wrong type of fuel.
The ruling would apply to 18 percent of cars; if extended to 2001-2006 vehicles it would be more than 36 percent of the vehicle fleet. Growth Energy, an industry group, applied for a waiver of the E10 limit in March 2009.
Big agriculture companies and ethanol distilleries have been pressing for an increase in the limit on ethanol in motor fuel because the nation's overall ethanol production is approaching 10 percent of motor fuel use, a point commonly known as the "blend wall" by people in the industry.
The ethanol industry is expected to produce 10.6 billion gallons this year, substantially less than its capacity.
Mark Scoble, Lunenburg, MA - 1973 23' Palm Beach Stretched to 32' and in residence at the GMC Co-Op in Orlando, FL
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| Re: Urge the President: No Extra Ethanol without Testing [message #102806 is a reply to message #102006] |
Wed, 13 October 2010 13:08 |
GeorgeRud
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I will agree on the political and tax posts, but the ethanol question is one that people do have to be kept aware of. We've been dealing with the ethanol in the fuel in Chicago for many years now, and don't have any choice in the matter.
I think it is helpful to let GMC owners become aware of the changes that are occuring, and to take steps to try to anticipate problems that may occur. Vapor lock and plugged filters are two common ones. Perhaps removing, boiling out, and coating our fuel tanks may become necessary. Replacement of fuel lines, gaskets, O-rings, etc. may also become necessary to keep the coaches running.
Without any political retoric, the knowledge we have of these changes is power. Will we influence policies - probably unlikely!
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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