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Well one of my rear tires is wearing to the inside. And has gone bald while the outter edge still has pleanty of meat. Its the right rear bogie, the other 3 tires have the usual feathered wear evenly. Will a wheel alignment fix this or is there something afoot with that particular bogie? Getting new tires soon and I don't want to ruin new tires without correcting the issue...
73 Canyon Lands, (a.k.a. The Yellow Submarine) West Los Angeles CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] uneven tire ware on rear pass side bogie: signg of something wrong? [message #100437 is a reply to message #100435] |
Mon, 20 September 2010 14:12  |
James Hupy
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Yes, a 6 wheel alignment like Applied GMC does will correct this condition.
I would suspect that you have a bent trailing arm, or missing bogie shims.
The frame also has a tendency to rust behind where the bogie bolts to it,
and then collapses with the tension from the suspension. Don't ignore this,
it is an indication that something is amiss back there. Also, the bogie pins
and bushings should be checked for wear.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Well one of my rear tires is wearing to the inside. And has gone bald while
> the outter edge still has pleanty of meat. Its the right rear bogie, the
> other 3 tires have the usual feathered wear evenly. Will a wheel alignment
> fix this or is there something afoot with that particular bogie?
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| Re: [GMCnet] uneven tire ware on rear pass side bogie: signg of something wrong? [message #100472 is a reply to message #100437] |
Mon, 20 September 2010 20:21 |
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do you have a link to the proceedure to check the bushings?
| James Hupy wrote on Mon, 20 September 2010 14:12 |
Yes, a 6 wheel alignment like Applied GMC does will correct this condition.
I would suspect that you have a bent trailing arm, or missing bogie shims.
The frame also has a tendency to rust behind where the bogie bolts to it,
and then collapses with the tension from the suspension. Don't ignore this,
it is an indication that something is amiss back there. Also, the bogie pins
and bushings should be checked for wear.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Well one of my rear tires is wearing to the inside. And has gone bald while
> the outter edge still has pleanty of meat. Its the right rear bogie, the
> other 3 tires have the usual feathered wear evenly. Will a wheel alignment
> fix this or is there something afoot with that particular bogie?
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| Re: [GMCnet] uneven tire ware on rear pass side bogie: signg of something wrong? [message #100500 is a reply to message #100472] |
Mon, 20 September 2010 23:18 |
James Hupy
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Yes. It goes something like this. Jack up the coach on the rear, both sides
the same height, and supported under the bogie housing. After the coach is
safely off the ground with the front wheels chocked, then deflate the air
bags and remove the wheels and tires. I usually put additional jack stands
at the rear corners of the coach at the rear crossmember because I am
paranoid about having one come off the blocks. Take hold of the brake drum
and backing plate assembly, and pull it towards you and push it away from
you. You should not feel very much slop in this assembly. If you can hear an
audible clunk when you move the control arm assembly, that is too much play.
Then the next step would be to do the other three control arms in the same
fashion. This is strictly a diagnostic process to determine if further
disassembly is indicated, and is not a scientific method. More like a seat
of the pants method. Don't be surprised if the passenger side has more wear
than the drivers side, the ditch side usually gets more chuck holes and
things like curbs and stuff. The GMC manual X-7525 has a good description of
the process involved in adjusting the control arm pins and bushings. You
will frequently hear these parts referred to as bogie pins. There are bronze
bushings pressed into the inside bore of the control arms. They are a wear
item, as are the pins themselves. Parts are readily available to rebuild the
assemblies, but they are not cheap. The pins are very precision and should
be hardened after machining. The torque value for tightening the nuts on the
end of the bogie pin seems low, but it is critical that it not be exceeded
as it will bind up the assembly if it is too tight. There are some good
pictures on the photo site that give a step by step method. If you have
specific questions about the process, be sure to ask. Most of us are more
than willing to help
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
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> do you have a link to the proceedure to check the bushings?
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> James Hupy wrote on Mon, 20 September 2010 14:12
> > Yes, a 6 wheel alignment like Applied GMC does will correct this
> condition.
> > I would suspect that you have a bent trailing arm, or missing bogie
> shims.
> > The frame also has a tendency to rust behind where the bogie bolts to it,
> > and then collapses with the tension from the suspension. Don't ignore
> this,
> > it is an indication that something is amiss back there. Also, the bogie
> pins
> > and bushings should be checked for wear.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Or
> > 78 Royale 403
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well one of my rear tires is wearing to the inside. And has gone bald
> while
> > > the outter edge still has pleanty of meat. Its the right rear bogie,
> the
> > > other 3 tires have the usual feathered wear evenly. Will a wheel
> alignment
> > > fix this or is there something afoot with that particular bogie?
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| Re: [GMCnet] uneven tire ware on rear pass side bogie: signg of something wrong? [message #100506 is a reply to message #100472] |
Tue, 21 September 2010 03:20 |
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here is some poop
http://gmcmotorhome.info/rear.html#string
gene
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
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> do you have a link to the proceedure to check the bushings?
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> James Hupy wrote on Mon, 20 September 2010 14:12
> > Yes, a 6 wheel alignment like Applied GMC does will correct this
> condition.
> > I would suspect that you have a bent trailing arm, or missing bogie
> shims.
> > The frame also has a tendency to rust behind where the bogie bolts to it,
> > and then collapses with the tension from the suspension. Don't ignore
> this,
> > it is an indication that something is amiss back there. Also, the bogie
> pins
> > and bushings should be checked for wear.
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Or
> > 78 Royale 403
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well one of my rear tires is wearing to the inside. And has gone bald
> while
> > > the outter edge still has pleanty of meat. Its the right rear bogie,
> the
> > > other 3 tires have the usual feathered wear evenly. Will a wheel
> alignment
> > > fix this or is there something afoot with that particular bogie?
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| Re: [GMCnet] uneven tire ware on rear pass side bogie: signg of something wrong? [message #100519 is a reply to message #100500] |
Tue, 21 September 2010 07:50 |
Dennis S
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Jim,
Help, I have been unsuccessful in searching the photo site for the adjustment step-by-step...can you point to an album?
Dennis
Dennis Sexton
73 PD 230
Germantown, TN
USA
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From: James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] uneven tire ware on rear pass side bogie: signg of something wrong?
Yes. It goes something like this. Jack up the coach on the rear, both sides
he same height, and supported under the bogie housing. After the coach is
afely off the ground with the front wheels chocked, then deflate the air
ags and remove the wheels and tires. I usually put additional jack stands
t the rear corners of the coach at the rear crossmember because I am
aranoid about having one come off the blocks. Take hold of the brake drum
nd backing plate assembly, and pull it towards you and push it away from
ou. You should not feel very much slop in this assembly. If you can hear an
udible clunk when you move the control arm assembly, that is too much play.
hen the next step would be to do the other three control arms in the same
ashion. This is strictly a diagnostic process to determine if further
isassembly is indicated, and is not a scientific method. More like a seat
f the pants method. Don't be surprised if the passenger side has more wear
han the drivers side, the ditch side usually gets more chuck holes and
hings like curbs and stuff. The GMC manual X-7525 has a good description of
he process involved in adjusting the control arm pins and bushings. You
ill frequently hear these parts referred to as bogie pins. There are bronze
ushings pressed into the inside bore of the control arms. They are a wear
tem, as are the pins themselves. Parts are readily available to rebuild the
ssemblies, but they are not cheap. The pins are very precision and should
e hardened after machining. The torque value for tightening the nuts on the
nd of the bogie pin seems low, but it is critical that it not be exceeded
s it will bind up the assembly if it is too tight. There are some good
ictures on the photo site that give a step by step method. If you have
pecific questions about the process, be sure to ask. Most of us are more
han willing to help
im Hupy
alem, Or
8 Royale 403
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
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do you have a link to the proceedure to check the bushings?
James Hupy wrote on Mon, 20 September 2010 14:12
> Yes, a 6 wheel alignment like Applied GMC does will correct this
condition.
> I would suspect that you have a bent trailing arm, or missing bogie
shims.
> The frame also has a tendency to rust behind where the bogie bolts to it,
> and then collapses with the tension from the suspension. Don't ignore
this,
> it is an indication that something is amiss back there. Also, the bogie
pins
> and bushings should be checked for wear.
> Jim Hupy
> Salem, Or
> 78 Royale 403
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 11:33 AM, Shan Rose <defconfx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Well one of my rear tires is wearing to the inside. And has gone bald
while
> > the outter edge still has pleanty of meat. Its the right rear bogie,
the
> > other 3 tires have the usual feathered wear evenly. Will a wheel
alignment
> > fix this or is there something afoot with that particular bogie?
> > _______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
> > List Information and Subscription Options:
> > http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
> >
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| Re: [GMCnet] uneven tire ware on rear pass side bogie: signg of something wrong? [message #100524 is a reply to message #100500] |
Tue, 21 September 2010 08:49 |
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| James Hupy wrote on Mon, 20 September 2010 23:18 |
Yes. It goes something like this. Jack up the coach on the rear, both sides
the same height, and supported under the bogie housing. After the coach is
safely off the ground with the front wheels chocked, then deflate the air
bags and remove the wheels and tires. I usually put additional jack stands
at the rear corners of the coach at the rear crossmember because I am
paranoid about having one come off the blocks. Take hold of the brake drum
and backing plate assembly, and pull it towards you and push it away from
you. You should not feel very much slop in this assembly. If you can hear an
audible clunk when you move the control arm assembly, that is too much play.
Then the next step would be to do the other three control arms in the same
fashion. This is strictly a diagnostic process to determine if further
disassembly is indicated, and is not a scientific method. More like a seat
of the pants method. Don't be surprised if the passenger side has more wear
than the drivers side, the ditch side usually gets more chuck holes and
things like curbs and stuff. The GMC manual X-7525 has a good description of
the process involved in adjusting the control arm pins and bushings. You
will frequently hear these parts referred to as bogie pins. There are bronze
bushings pressed into the inside bore of the control arms. They are a wear
item, as are the pins themselves. Parts are readily available to rebuild the
assemblies, but they are not cheap. The pins are very precision and should
be hardened after machining. The torque value for tightening the nuts on the
end of the bogie pin seems low, but it is critical that it not be exceeded
as it will bind up the assembly if it is too tight. There are some good
pictures on the photo site that give a step by step method. If you have
specific questions about the process, be sure to ask. Most of us are more
than willing to help
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
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One minor change I would do to your procedure.
Deflate the air bags BEFORE you get the wheels off of the ground. Failure to do this can blow the shocks apart. I usually put the jack under the bogies, raise he coach a bit to absorb the weight on the jack, and then deflate the bags. After that I finish jacking to the desired height. I have blown more than one shock by incorrectly jacking up the rear wheels.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] uneven tire ware on rear pass side bogie: signg of something wrong? [message #100525 is a reply to message #100500] |
Tue, 21 September 2010 08:54 |
Ken Burton
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| James Hupy wrote on Mon, 20 September 2010 23:18 |
Yes. It goes something like this. Jack up the coach on the rear, both sides
the same height, and supported under the bogie housing. After the coach is
safely off the ground with the front wheels chocked, then deflate the air
bags and remove the wheels and tires. I usually put additional jack stands
at the rear corners of the coach at the rear crossmember because I am
paranoid about having one come off the blocks. Take hold of the brake drum
and backing plate assembly, and pull it towards you and push it away from
you. You should not feel very much slop in this assembly. If you can hear an
audible clunk when you move the control arm assembly, that is too much play.
Then the next step would be to do the other three control arms in the same
fashion. This is strictly a diagnostic process to determine if further
disassembly is indicated, and is not a scientific method. More like a seat
of the pants method. Don't be surprised if the passenger side has more wear
than the drivers side, the ditch side usually gets more chuck holes and
things like curbs and stuff. The GMC manual X-7525 has a good description of
the process involved in adjusting the control arm pins and bushings. You
will frequently hear these parts referred to as bogie pins. There are bronze
bushings pressed into the inside bore of the control arms. They are a wear
item, as are the pins themselves. Parts are readily available to rebuild the
assemblies, but they are not cheap. The pins are very precision and should
be hardened after machining. The torque value for tightening the nuts on the
end of the bogie pin seems low, but it is critical that it not be exceeded
as it will bind up the assembly if it is too tight. There are some good
pictures on the photo site that give a step by step method. If you have
specific questions about the process, be sure to ask. Most of us are more
than willing to help
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
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One minor thing I would change in your procedure. I would deflate the bags BEFORE jacking the wheels off of the ground. Failure to do this can blow the seals in the shocks apart. I have done this to more than one shock.
I now usually place the jack under the bogies and jack up the coach slightly to absorb the weight. Then I deflate the bag and finish jacking it up to the desired height.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] uneven tire ware on rear pass side bogie: signg of something wrong? [message #100540 is a reply to message #100524] |
Tue, 21 September 2010 10:49 |
James Hupy
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Ken, good point. The way you describe it is the way I also recommend.
Sometimes my typing fingers work faster than my brain. I usually will read
over what I have written to see if it makes sense but I missed that. Thanks
for the clarification.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> James Hupy wrote on Mon, 20 September 2010 23:18
> > Yes. It goes something like this. Jack up the coach on the rear, both
> sides
> > the same height, and supported under the bogie housing. After the coach
> is
> > safely off the ground with the front wheels chocked, then deflate the air
> > bags and remove the wheels and tires. I usually put additional jack
> stands
> > at the rear corners of the coach at the rear crossmember because I am
> > paranoid about having one come off the blocks. Take hold of the brake
> drum
> > and backing plate assembly, and pull it towards you and push it away from
> > you. You should not feel very much slop in this assembly. If you can hear
> an
> > audible clunk when you move the control arm assembly, that is too much
> play.
> > Then the next step would be to do the other three control arms in the
> same
> > fashion. This is strictly a diagnostic process to determine if further
> > disassembly is indicated, and is not a scientific method. More like a
> seat
> > of the pants method. Don't be surprised if the passenger side has more
> wear
> > than the drivers side, the ditch side usually gets more chuck holes and
> > things like curbs and stuff. The GMC manual X-7525 has a good description
> of
> > the process involved in adjusting the control arm pins and bushings. You
> > will frequently hear these parts referred to as bogie pins. There are
> bronze
> > bushings pressed into the inside bore of the control arms. They are a
> wear
> > item, as are the pins themselves. Parts are readily available to rebuild
> the
> > assemblies, but they are not cheap. The pins are very precision and
> should
> > be hardened after machining. The torque value for tightening the nuts on
> the
> > end of the bogie pin seems low, but it is critical that it not be
> exceeded
> > as it will bind up the assembly if it is too tight. There are some good
> > pictures on the photo site that give a step by step method. If you have
> > specific questions about the process, be sure to ask. Most of us are more
> > than willing to help
> > Jim Hupy
> > Salem, Or
> > 78 Royale 403
> One minor change I would do to your procedure.
>
> Deflate the air bags BEFORE you get the wheels off of the ground. Failure
> to do this can blow the shocks apart. I usually put the jack under the
> bogies, raise he coach a bit to absorb the weight on the jack, and then
> deflate the bags. After that I finish jacking to the desired height. I
> have blown more than one shock by incorrectly jacking up the rear wheels.
>
>
>
> --
> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] uneven tire ware on rear pass side bogie: signg of something wrong? [message #100547 is a reply to message #100524] |
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| Ken Burton wrote on Tue, 21 September 2010 06:49 |
| James Hupy wrote on Mon, 20 September 2010 23:18 |
Yes. It goes something like this. Jack up the coach on the rear, both sides
the same height, and supported under the bogie housing. After the coach is
safely off the ground with the front wheels chocked, then deflate the air
bags and remove the wheels and tires. I usually put additional jack stands
at the rear corners of the coach at the rear crossmember because I am
paranoid about having one come off the blocks. Take hold of the brake drum
and backing plate assembly, and pull it towards you and push it away from
you. You should not feel very much slop in this assembly. If you can hear an
audible clunk when you move the control arm assembly, that is too much play.
Then the next step would be to do the other three control arms in the same
fashion. This is strictly a diagnostic process to determine if further
disassembly is indicated, and is not a scientific method. More like a seat
of the pants method. Don't be surprised if the passenger side has more wear
than the drivers side, the ditch side usually gets more chuck holes and
things like curbs and stuff. The GMC manual X-7525 has a good description of
the process involved in adjusting the control arm pins and bushings. You
will frequently hear these parts referred to as bogie pins. There are bronze
bushings pressed into the inside bore of the control arms. They are a wear
item, as are the pins themselves. Parts are readily available to rebuild the
assemblies, but they are not cheap. The pins are very precision and should
be hardened after machining. The torque value for tightening the nuts on the
end of the bogie pin seems low, but it is critical that it not be exceeded
as it will bind up the assembly if it is too tight. There are some good
pictures on the photo site that give a step by step method. If you have
specific questions about the process, be sure to ask. Most of us are more
than willing to help
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
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One minor change I would do to your procedure.
Deflate the air bags BEFORE you get the wheels off of the ground. Failure to do this can blow the shocks apart. I usually put the jack under the bogies, raise he coach a bit to absorb the weight on the jack, and then deflate the bags. After that I finish jacking to the desired height. I have blown more than one shock by incorrectly jacking up the rear wheels.
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I have also "blown" a shock.
One other thing:
The wear on the pins might be different (less) at "other than ride height."
To check at ride height, I prop up the boggie to close to ride height (axle level with the boggie pins) before pulling and pushing to check for slop. Seems to make a difference. For a prop I use a 2x4 (or smaller), on end. A smaller prop works better because it doesn't restrict the boggie movement. Note that it is only holding up the weight of the arm, hub and brakes, not the coach.
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
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| Re: [GMCnet] uneven tire ware on rear pass side bogie: signg of something wrong? [message #100551 is a reply to message #100540] |
Tue, 21 September 2010 12:13 |
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| James Hupy wrote on Tue, 21 September 2010 10:49 |
Ken, good point. The way you describe it is the way I also recommend.
Sometimes my typing fingers work faster than my brain. I usually will read
over what I have written to see if it makes sense but I missed that. Thanks
for the clarification.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or
78 Royale 403
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I assumed that you knew this. I just did not want someone else to follow your directions to the letter and blow a shock seal.
Ken B.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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