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| [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99145] |
Thu, 09 September 2010 14:21  |
Ray Erspamer
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin
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Prior to our trip this past weekend I installed my 3rd new fan clutch.
Last year when our original clutch went out, I installed the Delco Severe Duty
15-4644...........It worked well but it had way too much cycling and loud roar
when it kicked in.
This June I installed the Delco Standard Duty 15-4947......I never heard it and
we ran very hot, I didn't have a temp gauge at the time but when we normally ran
1/16" below the 1/4 mark on the gauge, we were half way between the 1/4 and 1/2
mark with this clutch.
Last week I installed the Advance Auto Medium Duty 21-5046......Absolutely
Perfect !!! You can hear it when you first start up and then it quiets down,
while traveling it kept our coach in the normal cool range where the coach has
always ran, the same as when I first purchased it......I also added a temp gauge
and it stayed around the 200 degree range the entire time no matter if we were
going up hills, cruising, etc. We had full fresh water tanks and we're towing
the trailer with the Harley in it.
This is definitely the clutch performance I was looking for !
I plan to keep the Standard Duty as a spare, so I have a basically new 15-4644
severe duty to sell if anyone is interested.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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78 GMC Royale Center Kitchen
403, 3.70 Final Drive
Holley Sniper Quadrajet EFI System,
Holley Hyperspark Ignition System
414-484-9431
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99201 is a reply to message #99145] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 01:23  |
Ken Burton
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Location: Hebron, Indiana
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It is a little late now but when I went through those 4 useless Hayden clutches and then later the two good but different AC Delco model clutches looking for the correct one, I just kept returning them and getting another one. I did have the Hayden engineer's name and number who said they could not meet the GM specs in my back pocket. I ended up not needing to have the seller call Hayden direct. They just accepted them back and after the 4th one refunded my money.
Ac-Direct accepted my AC Delco 15-4644 back and gave me a replacement 15-4208 plus a partial refund. Again I had a Delco engineer's name in my pocket to vouch for the correct number if needed. Again I never need to use it.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99204 is a reply to message #99145] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 06:45 |
Steven Ferguson
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Ray,
What was the outside ambient temp during your test runs?
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> Prior to our trip this past weekend I installed my 3rd new fan clutch.
>
> Last year when our original clutch went out, I installed the Delco Severe Duty
> 15-4644...........It worked well but it had way too much cycling and loud roar
> when it kicked in.
>
> This June I installed the Delco Standard Duty 15-4947......I never heard it and
> we ran very hot, I didn't have a temp gauge at the time but when we normally ran
> 1/16" below the 1/4 mark on the gauge, we were half way between the 1/4 and 1/2
> mark with this clutch.
>
> Last week I installed the Advance Auto Medium Duty 21-5046......Absolutely
> Perfect !!! You can hear it when you first start up and then it quiets down,
> while traveling it kept our coach in the normal cool range where the coach has
> always ran, the same as when I first purchased it......I also added a temp gauge
> and it stayed around the 200 degree range the entire time no matter if we were
> going up hills, cruising, etc. We had full fresh water tanks and we're towing
> the trailer with the Harley in it.
>
>
> This is definitely the clutch performance I was looking for !
>
> I plan to keep the Standard Duty as a spare, so I have a basically new 15-4644
> severe duty to sell if anyone is interested.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
> _______________________________________________
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Steve Ferguson
'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99215 is a reply to message #99204] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 07:57 |
Ray Erspamer
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin
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Hi Steve
Outside ambient temps were in the 75 to 80 range....typical for Wisconsin.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:45:26 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's
Ray,
What was the outside ambient temp during your test runs?
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> Prior to our trip this past weekend I installed my 3rd new fan clutch.
>
> Last year when our original clutch went out, I installed the Delco Severe
Duty
> 15-4644...........It worked well but it had way too much cycling and loud roar
> when it kicked in.
>
> This June I installed the Delco Standard Duty 15-4947......I never heard it
and
> we ran very hot, I didn't have a temp gauge at the time but when we normally
>ran
> 1/16" below the 1/4 mark on the gauge, we were half way between the 1/4 and
1/2
> mark with this clutch.
>
> Last week I installed the Advance Auto Medium Duty 21-5046......Absolutely
> Perfect !!! You can hear it when you first start up and then it quiets
down,
> while traveling it kept our coach in the normal cool range where the coach has
> always ran, the same as when I first purchased it......I also added a temp
>gauge
> and it stayed around the 200 degree range the entire time no matter if we were
> going up hills, cruising, etc. We had full fresh water tanks and we're towing
> the trailer with the Harley in it.
>
>
> This is definitely the clutch performance I was looking for !
>
> I plan to keep the Standard Duty as a spare, so I have a basically new 15-4644
> severe duty to sell if anyone is interested.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
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>
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Steve Ferguson
'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/
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Holley Sniper Quadrajet EFI System,
Holley Hyperspark Ignition System
414-484-9431
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99220 is a reply to message #99145] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 08:38 |
Sandra Price
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Ray, where did you buy the Advance Auto Med. Duty 21-5046? What supplier?
Thanks.
Bob Price
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> Prior to our trip this past weekend I installed my 3rd new fan clutch.
>
> Last year when our original clutch went out, I installed the Delco Severe
> Duty
> 15-4644...........It worked well but it had way too much cycling and loud
> roar
> when it kicked in.
>
> This June I installed the Delco Standard Duty 15-4947......I never heard it
> and
> we ran very hot, I didn't have a temp gauge at the time but when we
> normally ran
> 1/16" below the 1/4 mark on the gauge, we were half way between the 1/4 and
> 1/2
> mark with this clutch.
>
> Last week I installed the Advance Auto Medium Duty 21-5046......Absolutely
> Perfect !!! You can hear it when you first start up and then it quiets
> down,
> while traveling it kept our coach in the normal cool range where the coach
> has
> always ran, the same as when I first purchased it......I also added a temp
> gauge
> and it stayed around the 200 degree range the entire time no matter if we
> were
> going up hills, cruising, etc. We had full fresh water tanks and we're
> towing
> the trailer with the Harley in it.
>
>
> This is definitely the clutch performance I was looking for !
>
> I plan to keep the Standard Duty as a spare, so I have a basically new
> 15-4644
> severe duty to sell if anyone is interested.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
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> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
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IN GOD WE TRUST!
Sandra and Bob in the 52nd Year of our State of Marriage
“Life’s a Trip” in “The Roadhouse”
’73 Painted Desert
Huntsville, TX
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another, be sympathetic, love
as brothers, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or
insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so
that you may inherit a blessing. --1 Peter 3:8-9
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99234 is a reply to message #99220] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 10:27 |
Ray Erspamer
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Location: Milwaukee Wisconsin
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Direct from Advance Auto Parts, I ordered online with a 20% off coupon and picked it up at a local storea.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandra Price <bsprice9359@gmail.com>
Sender: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:38:37
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Reply-To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's
Ray, where did you buy the Advance Auto Med. Duty 21-5046? What supplier?
Thanks.
Bob Price
On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> Prior to our trip this past weekend I installed my 3rd new fan clutch.
>
> Last year when our original clutch went out, I installed the Delco Severe
> Duty
> 15-4644...........It worked well but it had way too much cycling and loud
> roar
> when it kicked in.
>
> This June I installed the Delco Standard Duty 15-4947......I never heard it
> and
> we ran very hot, I didn't have a temp gauge at the time but when we
> normally ran
> 1/16" below the 1/4 mark on the gauge, we were half way between the 1/4 and
> 1/2
> mark with this clutch.
>
> Last week I installed the Advance Auto Medium Duty 21-5046......Absolutely
> Perfect !!! You can hear it when you first start up and then it quiets
> down,
> while traveling it kept our coach in the normal cool range where the coach
> has
> always ran, the same as when I first purchased it......I also added a temp
> gauge
> and it stayed around the 200 degree range the entire time no matter if we
> were
> going up hills, cruising, etc. We had full fresh water tanks and we're
> towing
> the trailer with the Harley in it.
>
>
> This is definitely the clutch performance I was looking for !
>
> I plan to keep the Standard Duty as a spare, so I have a basically new
> 15-4644
> severe duty to sell if anyone is interested.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
>_______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>
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IN GOD WE TRUST!
Sandra and Bob in the 52nd Year of our State of Marriage
“Life’s a Trip” in “The Roadhouse”
’73 Painted Desert
Huntsville, TX
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another, be sympathetic, love
as brothers, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or
insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so
that you may inherit a blessing. --1 Peter 3:8-9
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Ray Erspamer
78 GMC Royale Center Kitchen
403, 3.70 Final Drive
Holley Sniper Quadrajet EFI System,
Holley Hyperspark Ignition System
414-484-9431
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99235 is a reply to message #99145] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 10:31 |
Sandra Price
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Thanks.
Bob
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:27 AM, <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> Direct from Advance Auto Parts, I ordered online with a 20% off coupon and
> picked it up at a local storea.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sandra Price <bsprice9359@gmail.com>
> Sender: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:38:37
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Reply-To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's
>
> Ray, where did you buy the Advance Auto Med. Duty 21-5046? What
> supplier?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Bob Price
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 2:21 PM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
>
> > Prior to our trip this past weekend I installed my 3rd new fan clutch.
> >
> > Last year when our original clutch went out, I installed the Delco
> Severe
> > Duty
> > 15-4644...........It worked well but it had way too much cycling and loud
> > roar
> > when it kicked in.
> >
> > This June I installed the Delco Standard Duty 15-4947......I never heard
> it
> > and
> > we ran very hot, I didn't have a temp gauge at the time but when we
> > normally ran
> > 1/16" below the 1/4 mark on the gauge, we were half way between the 1/4
> and
> > 1/2
> > mark with this clutch.
> >
> > Last week I installed the Advance Auto Medium Duty
> 21-5046......Absolutely
> > Perfect !!! You can hear it when you first start up and then it quiets
> > down,
> > while traveling it kept our coach in the normal cool range where the
> coach
> > has
> > always ran, the same as when I first purchased it......I also added a
> temp
> > gauge
> > and it stayed around the 200 degree range the entire time no matter if we
> > were
> > going up hills, cruising, etc. We had full fresh water tanks and we're
> > towing
> > the trailer with the Harley in it.
> >
> >
> > This is definitely the clutch performance I was looking for !
> >
> > I plan to keep the Standard Duty as a spare, so I have a basically new
> > 15-4644
> > severe duty to sell if anyone is interested.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> > Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> > 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> > TZE368V101144
> > Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> > Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> > 414-745-3188
> > Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
> >_______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
> > List Information and Subscription Options:
> > http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
> >
>
>
>
> --
> IN GOD WE TRUST!
>
> Sandra and Bob in the 52nd Year of our State of Marriage
> “Life’s a Trip” in “The Roadhouse”
> ’73 Painted Desert
> Huntsville, TX
>
> Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another, be sympathetic, love
> as brothers, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or
> insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so
> that you may inherit a blessing. --1 Peter 3:8-9
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
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--
IN GOD WE TRUST!
Sandra and Bob in the 52nd Year of our State of Marriage
“Life’s a Trip” in “The Roadhouse”
’73 Painted Desert
Huntsville, TX
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another, be sympathetic, love
as brothers, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or
insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so
that you may inherit a blessing. --1 Peter 3:8-9
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99248 is a reply to message #99145] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 11:40 |
Surbo
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| Ray Erspamer wrote on Thu, 09 September 2010 14:21 |
Prior to our trip this past weekend I installed my 3rd new fan clutch.
Last year when our original clutch went out, I installed the Delco Severe Duty
15-4644...........It worked well but it had way too much cycling and loud roar
when it kicked in.
This June I installed the Delco Standard Duty 15-4947......I never heard it and
we ran very hot, I didn't have a temp gauge at the time but when we normally ran
1/16" below the 1/4 mark on the gauge, we were half way between the 1/4 and 1/2
mark with this clutch.
Last week I installed the Advance Auto Medium Duty 21-5046......Absolutely
Perfect !!! You can hear it when you first start up and then it quiets down,
while traveling it kept our coach in the normal cool range where the coach has
always ran, the same as when I first purchased it......I also added a temp gauge
and it stayed around the 200 degree range the entire time no matter if we were
going up hills, cruising, etc. We had full fresh water tanks and we're towing
the trailer with the Harley in it.
This is definitely the clutch performance I was looking for !
I plan to keep the Standard Duty as a spare, so I have a basically new 15-4644
severe duty to sell if anyone is interested.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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Ray;
According to Advance Auto, the correct FC for the '76 Olds Toro is # 21-5049.
Bob Drewes in SESD
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99258 is a reply to message #99248] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 12:40 |
Ray Erspamer
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That is that "Standard Duty" which in my opinion is too light, it's like the one
I just removed that had me running hot.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
________________________________
From: Bob Drewes <bmdrewes@iw.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 11:40:53 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's
Ray Erspamer wrote on Thu, 09 September 2010 14:21
> Prior to our trip this past weekend I installed my 3rd new fan clutch.
>
> Last year when our original clutch went out, I installed the Delco Severe Duty
>
> 15-4644...........It worked well but it had way too much cycling and loud roar
> when it kicked in.
>
> This June I installed the Delco Standard Duty 15-4947......I never heard it and
>
> we ran very hot, I didn't have a temp gauge at the time but when we normally
>ran
>
> 1/16" below the 1/4 mark on the gauge, we were half way between the 1/4 and 1/2
>
> mark with this clutch.
>
> Last week I installed the Advance Auto Medium Duty 21-5046......Absolutely
> Perfect !!! You can hear it when you first start up and then it quiets down,
>
> while traveling it kept our coach in the normal cool range where the coach has
> always ran, the same as when I first purchased it......I also added a temp
>gauge
>
> and it stayed around the 200 degree range the entire time no matter if we were
> going up hills, cruising, etc. We had full fresh water tanks and we're towing
> the trailer with the Harley in it.
>
>
> This is definitely the clutch performance I was looking for !
>
> I plan to keep the Standard Duty as a spare, so I have a basically new 15-4644
> severe duty to sell if anyone is interested.
>
>
>
>
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
Ray;
According to Advance Auto, the correct FC for the '76 Olds Toro is # 21-5049.
Bob Drewes in SESD
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78 GMC Royale Center Kitchen
403, 3.70 Final Drive
Holley Sniper Quadrajet EFI System,
Holley Hyperspark Ignition System
414-484-9431
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99267 is a reply to message #99215] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 14:21 |
Steven Ferguson
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Those are fairly moderate teimps Ray. I'll keep the number in mind
and mention it at my next presentation.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> Hi Steve
>
> Outside ambient temps were in the 75 to 80 range....typical for Wisconsin.
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:45:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's
>
> Ray,
> What was the outside ambient temp during your test runs?
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
>> Prior to our trip this past weekend I installed my 3rd new fan clutch.
>>
>> Last year when our original clutch went out, I installed the Delco Severe
> Duty
>> 15-4644...........It worked well but it had way too much cycling and loud roar
>> when it kicked in.
>>
>> This June I installed the Delco Standard Duty 15-4947......I never heard it
> and
>> we ran very hot, I didn't have a temp gauge at the time but when we normally
>>ran
>> 1/16" below the 1/4 mark on the gauge, we were half way between the 1/4 and
> 1/2
>> mark with this clutch.
>>
>> Last week I installed the Advance Auto Medium Duty 21-5046......Absolutely
>> Perfect !!! You can hear it when you first start up and then it quiets
> down,
>> while traveling it kept our coach in the normal cool range where the coach has
>> always ran, the same as when I first purchased it......I also added a temp
>>gauge
>> and it stayed around the 200 degree range the entire time no matter if we were
>> going up hills, cruising, etc. We had full fresh water tanks and we're towing
>> the trailer with the Harley in it.
>>
>>
>> This is definitely the clutch performance I was looking for !
>>
>> I plan to keep the Standard Duty as a spare, so I have a basically new 15-4644
>> severe duty to sell if anyone is interested.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
>> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
>> TZE368V101144
>> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
>> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
>> 414-745-3188
>> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99272 is a reply to message #99267] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 14:53 |
Ray Erspamer
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The real test will be next summer when we're traveling full and towing when it's
90 out Steve.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
________________________________
From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 2:21:15 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's
Those are fairly moderate teimps Ray. I'll keep the number in mind
and mention it at my next presentation.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> Hi Steve
>
> Outside ambient temps were in the 75 to 80 range....typical for Wisconsin.
>
> Ray
>
>
> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
> TZE368V101144
> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
> 414-745-3188
> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 6:45:26 AM
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's
>
> Ray,
> What was the outside ambient temp during your test runs?
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
>> Prior to our trip this past weekend I installed my 3rd new fan clutch.
>>
>> Last year when our original clutch went out, I installed the Delco Severe
> Duty
>> 15-4644...........It worked well but it had way too much cycling and loud
roar
>> when it kicked in.
>>
>> This June I installed the Delco Standard Duty 15-4947......I never heard it
> and
>> we ran very hot, I didn't have a temp gauge at the time but when we normally
>>ran
>> 1/16" below the 1/4 mark on the gauge, we were half way between the 1/4 and
> 1/2
>> mark with this clutch.
>>
>> Last week I installed the Advance Auto Medium Duty 21-5046......Absolutely
>> Perfect !!! You can hear it when you first start up and then it quiets
> down,
>> while traveling it kept our coach in the normal cool range where the coach
has
>> always ran, the same as when I first purchased it......I also added a temp
>>gauge
>> and it stayed around the 200 degree range the entire time no matter if we
were
>> going up hills, cruising, etc. We had full fresh water tanks and we're
towing
>> the trailer with the Harley in it.
>>
>>
>> This is definitely the clutch performance I was looking for !
>>
>> I plan to keep the Standard Duty as a spare, so I have a basically new
15-4644
>> severe duty to sell if anyone is interested.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>> Ray & Lisa Erspamer
>> 78 Royale Center Kitchen
>> TZE368V101144
>> Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
>> Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
>> 414-745-3188
>> Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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> '76 EII
> Sierra Vista, AZ
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> www.bdub.net/ferguson/
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99273 is a reply to message #99266] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 14:54 |
Ray Erspamer
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I'll see if I can re-locate where I saw that Emery.
Several places I saw clutch's classified as "Standard" duty, "Medium" duty and
"Severe" duty.
Ray
Ray & Lisa Erspamer
78 Royale Center Kitchen
TZE368V101144
Wauwatosa, Wisconsin 53226
Email: 78GMC-Royale@att.net
414-745-3188
Web Site: http://ray-lisa.page.tl/
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From: Emery Stora <emerystora@mac.com>
To: "gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org" <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Fri, September 10, 2010 1:49:14 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's
On Sep 10, 2010, at 1:40 PM, Ray Erspamer <78gmc-royale@att.net> wrote:
> That is that "Standard Duty" which in my opinion is too light, it's
> like the one
> I just removed that had me running hot.
>
>> went out, I installed the Delco Severe Duty
>>
>> 15-4644...........It worked well but it had way too much cycling
>> and loud roar
>
Ray
I had never heard of the 15-4644 being called "severe duty" before.
Years back when a GM engineer recommended it to me he called it a
"heavy duty".
Where did you find the "severe duty" designation?
Emery Stora
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99298 is a reply to message #99277] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 18:50 |
Ken Burton
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| WD0AFQ wrote on Fri, 10 September 2010 15:32 |
Ray, 53.41 shipped to my house. Is that about right?
Dan
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When I was working with the AC Delco Engineer a few years back, He stated the 15-4644 was designated for a fan with a 2" longer blade length and a 3/4 inch deep pitch. It was also designated to be driven with a minimum of two 1/2 inch v-belts.
The recommended clutch at the time based on the fan pitch, number of blades, and blade length was the 15-4208. At my request the engineer also looked up the original GM clutch by GM part number and arrived at the same 15-4208 conclusion. At the time he also called the 15-4644 a "severe" duty clutch, while he called the 15-4208 a "heavy" duty. Designations or names aside what he really did was match the 15-4208 clutch to the our application.
Unfortunately now the 15-4208 has been dropped from production. It sounds like people here are finding the replacement for the 15-4208 clutch as too weak or too slow for our application. So finding another clutch that operates like the 15-4208 is a good find.
Thanks for the information and the find. I wonder who makes the Advanced clutch. I sure hope it is not Hayden. I do not think so because the numbering is not similar. I went through two year of fighting with Hayden engineering before they admitted that they had changed the turn on temperature down too low for our GMC application.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Back to Fan Clutch's [message #99316 is a reply to message #99298] |
Fri, 10 September 2010 20:42 |
Ken Henderson
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No need to wonder: The 215046 is listed on the Advance Auto Parts site as
an Imperial.
It looks very much like the (reportedly satisfactory) clutch on Rob's coach
with one exception: 180* from the tang where the control spring is
anchored, the photo shows a similar tang. In the photo, there is no slot
visible in the extra tang. On Rob's clutch there IS a slot, as if the
spring could be adjusted to change the operating temperature.
Anyone seen/know of such?
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 7:50 PM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
> ...
Thanks for the information and the find. I wonder who makes the Advanced
> clutch. I sure hope it is not Hayden. I do not think so because the
> numbering is not similar. I went through two year of fighting with Hayden
> engineering before they admitted that they had changed the turn on
> temperature down too low for our GMC application.
> --
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