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Sun, 05 September 2010 09:26  |
Keith V
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I notice that most GMCs have pleated blinds, mine included.
While I guess they are utilitarian and functional, wifey and I want to put drapes in the bedroom, she wants to dress it up a little more girlie.
I understand that because the slope of the walls you need to run top and bottom curtain rods.
But are there anyother drawbacks to curtains??
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| Re: Curtians vs blinds [message #98675 is a reply to message #98626] |
Sun, 05 September 2010 19:37  |
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I just redid the curtains as trying to keep it as original as possible for now. I did top and bottom rods. I didn't want to have to build the blind boxes for now and they take up some space. I got the rods at Target in a brown color. The drapes I found are from BB and Beyond and fit right out of the box. I bought them because I almost had a heart attack when I found they were actually MADE IN USA. Anchor Home Products, Wyckoff, NJ. Bristol 36" tier curtain. They are a beige color like a darker linen white. The only problem I am having is that I have become reactive to chemicals in the last couple months from exposure at work. I let these air out about 3 months and then still took them down yesterday and washed them all in warm water and Lifetree detergent and then dryed. I'm still having a reaction to the "new" chemical in them, but this happens to me with any new carpet etc. My limit in a carpet or bedding store is really about 2 mins and then it takes 24 hours or so for the effects to go away of burning lips and tongue. I hope these air out more before DuQuoin, amazing after the washing. The pain is taking down the cabinets to do the upper rods. I'm done except for the kitchen window and will need help to drop that double one with the range hood maybe this week.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Curtians vs blinds [message #98715 is a reply to message #98626] |
Mon, 06 September 2010 06:49 |
Steven Ferguson
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Keith,
The pleated day night shades are excellent insulators when used with
wrap around valances. They go a long way in keeping the sun from
heating up the coach. The minis don't do a very good job of this.
Curtains might, but the gaps around the edges allow heated, or cooled,
air to escape around the edges.
On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 7:26 AM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> I notice that most GMCs have pleated blinds, mine included.
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> While I guess they are utilitarian and functional, wifey and I want to put drapes in the bedroom, she wants to dress it up a little more girlie.
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> I understand that because the slope of the walls you need to run top and bottom curtain rods.
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> But are there anyother drawbacks to curtains??
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| Re: [GMCnet] Curtians vs blinds [message #98722 is a reply to message #98715] |
Mon, 06 September 2010 08:29 |
Keith V
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Interesting, thanks for the comments.
I'm pretty sure we will put curtains in the bedroom, but leave the blinds in the rest of the windows. blinds just seem way to business like for a bedroom
John L455,
Did the BBB curtains already have the pocket for the bottom rod?
I looked online, I'm guessing you used kitchen drapes? It looks like a great idea. Now I just have to get the wife to pik something!
Keith Vasilakes
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| Re: [GMCnet] Curtians vs blinds [message #98724 is a reply to message #98722] |
Mon, 06 September 2010 08:36 |
Ken Henderson
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Emery and I will both tell you that the cellular blinds, with aluminum foil
lining inside, are superb thermal insulators, especially when they're
enclosed in 4-sided valences to trap hot/cold air between them and the
glass. The only drawback, IMHO, is that they cannot be set to admit ANY
light while closed. But, I've been told that they're now available with a
lower-from-the-top feature which would ameliorate that shortcoming.
Ken H.
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Interesting, thanks for the comments.
> I'm pretty sure we will put curtains in the bedroom, but leave the blinds
> in the rest of the windows. blinds just seem way to business like for a
> bedroom
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| Re: Curtians vs blinds [message #98732 is a reply to message #98626] |
Mon, 06 September 2010 10:44 |
JohnL455
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Keith, one side has one pocket and the other (don't know what we are calling top or bottom) has 2 smaller pockets. This gives you abour an inch of adjustment between the 2 smaller ones. The Guske day/nights are the Cadilac of window treatments from what I can tell but this was my attempt for now for simulating what was on an EII from the factory. If anyone has an original EII in DuQuion I would love to see it. I'll bring a sample of my Repro stripe tape kit material too. The drape exact name is what I listed above as 36" Bristol tier curtains at BBB. I'm rewashing the ones that were easy to take down to try to get the "new" smell out again. I'd recomend a wash before installing if you are sensitive to chemicals where you sleep .
John Lebetski
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| Re: Curtians vs blinds [message #98747 is a reply to message #98626] |
Mon, 06 September 2010 12:59 |
Larry C
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But are there anyother drawbacks to curtains??
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Curtains look nice, they were supplied by GM when they built the Motorhome. They were secured top and bottom with a stick or something on the inside edge that you would slide the curtain over to close.
The disadvantage of the curtains is they allow heat to pour into the coach. It is not the curtain that collects the heat. In my coach, it is the window that makes the heat then the heat just flows up to the ceiling. Curtains have pleats and the space allows the heat to flow up, like in a register. Unless you really think out what you are planning to do, you will have a hot coach.
I would certainly look for the window film that blocks heat if putting on curtains.
The Pleated shade ( vertical pleats ) can be boxed into the window area. fully closed it helps prevent heat from flowing up, as it is boxed off there, and prevents cold from flowing down, as it is boxed there as well. The sides also are covered so when closed the blinds offer pretty good sealing, for a blind type product.
I would still look for the heat blocking film, anything that helps is a plus.
The blinds (horizontal pleats ) are clean looking, any color, sun blocking or just shading and you can get bottom up / top down blinds.
The bottom will go up and down like normal shades but the top down shades can open the top to let light in and keep prying eyes out or even just to limit the sun from coming inside.
The honey comb shades have a percentage of insulation if that is important to you, but if your GMC is like mine, It wont matter that much.
Either curtains or shades are great but you have to prepare for them if you want to keep the heat or cold out. If you don't you will have temperature problems.
But I would definately get the heat reducing film for the windows, as I said, anything that helps is a plus.
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| Re: Curtians vs blinds [message #98754 is a reply to message #98747] |
Mon, 06 September 2010 14:06 |
Keith V
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Larry,
do you think I should have a heat blocking film??
I do BTW, good dark, IR reflective film. It's limo tint, so you have to put our face up to the window and cup your hands to see in. I can see out no problem. Massive improvement on solar gain
Good point about the chimney effect of curtains.
Of course I could box the top of the curtains...hmmm, might look weird tho, but I could hide it behind a valance...
And I like it dark at night, so I'd have to have a light blocking curtain.
Keith Vasilakes
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| Re: [GMCnet] Curtians vs blinds [message #98763 is a reply to message #98722] |
Mon, 06 September 2010 16:22 |
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Nah,
You can put accent curtains in the corners and have the day night
shades also. Look here for the best of both:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5429
On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Interesting, thanks for the comments.
> I'm pretty sure we will put curtains in the bedroom, but leave the blinds in the rest of the windows. blinds just seem way to business like for a bedroom
>
> John L455,
> Did the BBB curtains already have the pocket for the bottom rod?
> I looked online, I'm guessing you used kitchen drapes? It looks like a great idea. Now I just have to get the wife to pik something!
> --
> Keith
> 69 Vette
> 29 Dodge
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| Re: [GMCnet] Curtians vs blinds [message #98768 is a reply to message #98763] |
Mon, 06 September 2010 16:58 |
Keith V
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Nice, might be the way to go.
See now this is why I ask these kind of questions!
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
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| Re: Curtians vs blinds [message #98809 is a reply to message #98754] |
Tue, 07 September 2010 01:22 |
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do you think I should have a heat blocking film??Very Happy
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Ok Ok, Shirley you jest....
Yes a valance might help, the more turns and direction changes you can make the air do, the slower it will move because air is lazy and usually won't move unless there is a fan or temperature change and then it is sluggish.
As for the tint, my windows are already tinted and I am convinced it is the dark tint in the windows that collects the heat. That glass gets hot enough to the touch to be uncomfortable. Clear glass does not seem to do that.
I tend to think that dark tinted window plastic also collects heat but a reflective surface might help counter that.
The tint I am thinking about is almost clear, supplied by the menards near me here in Illinois.
My GMC, and I imagine everyone elses, gets hot in the Summer Sun and my biggest source of heat from the sun is the windows... So I want to try this to at least help the Air Con, the less heat in the coach, the better the AC works... at least I hope so.
Too bad we can't tint over the front window, it is a heat radiator also.... but thats another story
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| Re: Curtians vs blinds [message #98810 is a reply to message #98754] |
Tue, 07 September 2010 01:23 |
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do you think I should have a heat blocking film??Very Happy
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Ok Ok, Shirley you jest....
( SORRY FOR THE DOUBLE POST, PLS PARDON THE OOPS )
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| Re: [GMCnet] Curtians vs blinds [message #98817 is a reply to message #98815] |
Tue, 07 September 2010 07:00 |
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for what it's worth, when I purchased my coach, it had the older dark limo
tint that had started to fade to purple.
I replaced with a metallic reflective tint that has made all the difference.
What I learned is every window past the cab already has a 20% tint. The
metallic window film I used has a "chrome look" on the drivers and passenger
front windows, but the same film in the side and rear windows looks as dark
as the limo tint.
The windows are still warm, but not hot like they used to be. Any thing
inside the coach that is in direct sunlight is cool to the touch.
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On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>wrote:
> Years ago we had all the windows limo tinted. I think it dropped the
> temp 20 deg inside. We used to spend a lot of time in Palm Springs
> and that is a real temp test most of the year. The new tint films are
> top shelf when it comes to radiant heat reflection and I'd do some
> research before selecting one.
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> On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 2:58 PM, Keith V <my427v8@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Steven Ferguson wrote on Mon, 06 September 2010 16:22
> >> Nah,
> >> You can put accent curtains in the corners and have the day night
> >> shades also. Look here for the best of both:
> >> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5429
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> >
> > Nice, might be the way to go.
> >
> > See now this is why I ask these kind of questions!
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| Re: [GMCnet] Curtians vs blinds [message #98946 is a reply to message #98809] |
Wed, 08 September 2010 08:20 |
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Larry,
Being in the sign, graphics and vinyl lettering business, I do on occasion
work with some of the glass tinters in the area. While working at the
local Chevy dealership in Memphis one of the window tint companies was there
tinting all the windows in the showroom and service areas. The old tint on
the showroom windows went purple. This dealership has been in the same
location for 40 years - who knows how old the tint was? The guy tinting the
windows at the showroom also does all that dealers automotive tint.
He invited me to his shop where he had three Nissan Altimas and a Camry
being tinted. These guys are really good. The shop was spotless. A few
specialty tools and that was it. He stressed how important it was to keep
the shop clean and as dust free as possible. The smallest spec of dust or
dirt looks 10 times larger when covered with a tint film.
This is the film that the tinting guy recommended.
http://www.llumar.com/en/Automotive.aspx
He also showed me some security film. This was a slightly thicker film that
when applied to glass almost acted like a laminated windshield. He had
samples of it applied to glass that had been struck with a hammer. The
glass broke, but held together and was not penetrated. Neat stuff if you
frequent areas that may not be in the 5 star Mobile travel guide!
He gave me a piece auto of tint to try and I taped to the back door on my
house that faces the southwest - and those windows let in a lot of heat. I
believe the sample was 35% tint. It drastically reduced the heat transfer.
If you go to the website linked above, you can learn enough to be
dangerous. Automotive tints come in several tint levels - ranging from
barely noticeable to nearly solid black or limo tint. Residential and
commercial tints are different - note the warning on the degree of tint that
can be applied to insulated glass. He said that people have applied auto
tint from local sources and ruined thermo paned windows by applying to dark
a tint.
If there is enough interest within the group, I can pursue the local company
and see if we can put together a kit of pre-cut pieces for the GMCs. Anyone
interested, let me know.
Hope the above information helps.
Tom Eckert N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:22 AM, Larry <slawrence111@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> do you think I should have a heat blocking film??Very Happy
> ____________________________________________________
>
> Ok Ok, Shirley you jest....
>
>
> Yes a valance might help, the more turns and direction changes you can make
> the air do, the slower it will move because air is lazy and usually won't
> move unless there is a fan or temperature change and then it is sluggish.
>
> As for the tint, my windows are already tinted and I am convinced it is the
> dark tint in the windows that collects the heat. That glass gets hot enough
> to the touch to be uncomfortable. Clear glass does not seem to do that.
>
> I tend to think that dark tinted window plastic also collects heat but a
> reflective surface might help counter that.
>
> The tint I am thinking about is almost clear, supplied by the menards near
> me here in Illinois.
>
> My GMC, and I imagine everyone elses, gets hot in the Summer Sun and my
> biggest source of heat from the sun is the windows... So I want to try this
> to at least help the Air Con, the less heat in the coach, the better the AC
> works... at least I hope so.
>
> Too bad we can't tint over the front window, it is a heat radiator also....
> but thats another story
>
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Curtians vs blinds [message #98974 is a reply to message #98946] |
Wed, 08 September 2010 10:56 |
Larry C
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I am divided on actual Tinted window film.
Here is why
The GMC windows are already tinted from the factory, they collect enormous amounts of heat by themselves as well as the heat that is transmitted on the interior.
I had a car with dark tint and it was a hot box, the tint did not stop the heat.
Normal clear windows don't seem to have such a problem with collecting heat but they sure do let the light bring the heat to the interior.
I am considering a very light tint that can block 70% of the heat transmitted to the interior. How that will compute with the windows already tinted, I am not sure since the tint will be on the sunny side of the tint. The tint might stop the suns rays from transmitting heat but the window will become hot and send a different kind of heat inside the GMC.
Have you read JimBounds speil on installing window tint??
He says much of the same thing, clean, clean, clean, and before you apply, clean again and he says you will still get some spots because you can't get them all.
It is this artical that has me kind of holding back but I need to apply some.
I have interest in the website you show as they have a legal tint that can be put on the wind screen and blocks the suns heat. That is what we all need.
Thanks for the sight
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| Re: [GMCnet] Curtians vs blinds [message #98983 is a reply to message #98946] |
Wed, 08 September 2010 11:33 |
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Tom
You brought up a good point. A small tornado came thru the Quartzite area last winter(I was in Blythe) and totally shattered my large side window but the cheap purple film kept it all together. It would appear any film can help keep the glass from winding up in a big pile.
Roy
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