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Sun, 15 August 2010 11:07  |
Smitty52
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After spending a few days playing, I mean diligently assessing, the new coach I think I have figured out a few of the problem areas.
The carb was loading up at cold idle and that turned out to be the choke pulloff needed a couple more turns of adjustment and the engine cleared up. So, I hope that issue is resolved for now.
The cruise control does not work and MikeT sent me some info from Jim Bounds. It has power at all the right places but when I checked the bellows it would not hold vacuum. Taking a good look at it, the rubber is deteriorated and perforated in spots. Hoping a new bellows will get that working again.
The step was at an odd angle and not useable. The PO had put an wooded extension on the step that hindered its movement. I removed that and the step folds and unfolds like it should. It is fine for entering the coach but really does not extend out far enough when egressing the coach. I see why the PO put the extension on. I have an idea that I will try.
I spent about an hour per wheel getting the oxidation off the Alcoas. Still have 3 to do but they look pretty good.
So, it is coming along and we are enjoying getting to know our coach. See you all in DuQuoin.
Wayne and Lisa,
Bolton Landing, NY,
Patriot Guard Rider,
Standing for those who stood for us.
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| Re: Assessment of the new coach [message #95917 is a reply to message #95913] |
Sun, 15 August 2010 11:45  |
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mike miller
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| Smitty52 wrote on Sun, 15 August 2010 09:07 |
... I spent about an hour per wheel getting the oxidation off the Alcoas. Still have 3 to do but they look pretty good. ...
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There have been recalls on Alcoa wheels. You might want to check if your wheels are included in one of them. Could save you some shining. (If they haven't already been checked.)
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
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| Re: [GMCnet] Assessment of the new coach [message #95928 is a reply to message #95913] |
Sun, 15 August 2010 13:44 |
Ken Henderson
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Wayne,
If you want a really good cruise control, cheaply, take a look at John
Sharpe's photo album describing the installation of a GM ElectroMotor cruise
control from a '90's vehicle:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4776
<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4776>Ray
Swartzendruber and I did similar installations at about the same time as
John; I think I can safely say that we're all extremely happy with our CC's,
and at a cost of around $100 each, including the cruise controller, the
switch(es), and the required Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS).
Even if you get the OEM CC working, it will not be as reliable nor as
consistent as the more modern CC, and it will not have the "tap up/down" and
resume features which we've all come to expect.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Wayne E LaMothe <superglider@juno.com>wrote:
> ...The cruise control does not work and MikeT sent me some info from Jim
> Bounds. It has power at all the right places but when I checked the bellows
> it would not hold vacuum. Taking a good look at it, the rubber is
> deteriorated and perforated in spots. Hoping a new bellows will get that
> working again.
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Assessment of the new coach [message #95929 is a reply to message #95928] |
Sun, 15 August 2010 14:09 |
Kimberlea Weeks
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Hi gentlemen,
My husband, Keith's birthday is coming up and I would definitely like to
give him a gift of cruise control. The one listed below, GM ElectroMotor
cruise control, is it what you would recommend? I went to the link and the
title was listed as AC Delphi Elctro-Motor (electric). Is that the same
thing? We have a 1974 Palm Beach - 455 olds toronado engine.
Kim
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Assessment of the new coach
Wayne,
If you want a really good cruise control, cheaply, take a look at John
Sharpe's photo album describing the installation of a GM ElectroMotor cruise
control from a '90's vehicle:
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4776
<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4776>Ray
Swartzendruber and I did similar installations at about the same time as
John; I think I can safely say that we're all extremely happy with our CC's,
and at a cost of around $100 each, including the cruise controller, the
switch(es), and the required Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS).
Even if you get the OEM CC working, it will not be as reliable nor as
consistent as the more modern CC, and it will not have the "tap up/down" and
resume features which we've all come to expect.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Wayne E LaMothe
<superglider@juno.com>wrote:
> ...The cruise control does not work and MikeT sent me some info from Jim
> Bounds. It has power at all the right places but when I checked the
bellows
> it would not hold vacuum. Taking a good look at it, the rubber is
> deteriorated and perforated in spots. Hoping a new bellows will get that
> working again.
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Assessment of the new coach [message #95931 is a reply to message #95929] |
Sun, 15 August 2010 14:33 |
Ken Henderson
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Kim,
The CC is an ElectroMotor II cruise control, built by Delphi, and installed
on most GM vehicles built during the late 1980's and throughout most of the
1990's. It is NOT something you want to buy new -- the cost would be
exhorbitant. Most of those in junkyards are functional, and are so
plentiful that the cost is usually <$15. One needs to be sure to get the
"pigtail" (electrical connector and wires) to go with it.
But that's not the end of the story: To make it work, a Vehicle Speed
Sensor (VSS) is required; it's necessary to purchase that new. Those are
available from several vendors, but most of us have bought them through Ray
Swartzendruber for <$70.
Then, there's the matter of control switches: Those can be bought new at a
pretty reasonable price, but the wiring harness may not be readily
available, so the best option is to purchase both a switch and harnes from,
again, the junkyard -- not necessarily from the same vehicle as the CC. OR,
the option I chose is a <$15 2-channel remote control transmitter/receiver
combination off of eBay. The receiver mounts under the dash to do the
switching, and the transmitter (like a door lock remote control), sticks on
a steering wheel spoke.
If I sent this to HER (my all-important wife, therefore the CAPS), SHE'd get
a glazed look in HER eyes and hit DELETE. So would most other wives. I
hope it doesn't affect you that way, but don't feel badly if you decide to
choose another present rather than donning old jeans, gathering wrenches and
wire cutters, and heading to your favorite junkyard. :-)
Let me know if you want me to send you a link to a transmitter/receiver
vendor.
Ken H.
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI+ & EBL
www.gmcwipersetc.com
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Kim Weeks <kimweeksgmc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi gentlemen,
>
> My husband, Keith's birthday is coming up and I would definitely like to
> give him a gift of cruise control. The one listed below, GM ElectroMotor
> cruise control, is it what you would recommend? I went to the link and the
> title was listed as AC Delphi Elctro-Motor (electric). Is that the same
> thing? We have a 1974 Palm Beach - 455 olds toronado engine.
>
> Kim
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| Re: [GMCnet] Assessment of the new coach [message #95936 is a reply to message #95931] |
Sun, 15 August 2010 16:17 |
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mike miller
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| Ken Henderson wrote on Sun, 15 August 2010 12:33 |
... It is NOT something you want to buy new -- the cost would be
exhorbitant. Most of those in junkyards are functional, and are so
plentiful that the cost is usually <$15. One needs to be sure to get the
"pigtail" (electrical connector and wires) to go with it.
But that's not the end of the story: To make it work, a Vehicle Speed
Sensor (VSS) is required; it's necessary to purchase that new. ...
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Ken,
Thanks for the link to John's album. I have been looking for that for a while. (I knew I had seen it... )
There is another album on a Junkyard CC by Spiffycar:
<http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5553>
It looks like Spiffycar may have a cheaper solution to buying a new VSS.
Between the two albums, I think even I can figure it out.
Looking at the wiring diagram from and old Ford Contour, (The Contour is no long with us.) I am pretty sure the CC system could even come from a FORD!
Kim,
I would take a very special relationship to be able to give a junkyard CC as a gift. .... Sometimes I wish my relationship was like that! My wife doesn't understand the bits and pieces of "junk" have value. -- Good Luck!
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Assessment of the new coach [message #95947 is a reply to message #95936] |
Sun, 15 August 2010 18:03 |
Ken Henderson
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Mike,
Thanks for the link -- I had not seen that. I figured there were VSS's out
there somewhere that we could use, but this is the first clue I've had. I
wish there was a little more explanation with them -- I don't understand the
references to "22" & "74", among other things.
Yes, I'm sure any CC which is independent of the car's central computer
could be used. But, with the many millions of the EM II out there at
bargain prices, and with their excellent performance, there's not much
incentive to go with anything else, IMHO.
Ken H.
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Mike Miller <m000035@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...There is another album on a Junkyard CC by Spiffycar:
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> <http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=5553>
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> It looks like Spiffycar may have a cheaper solution to buying a new VSS.
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> Between the two albums, I think even I can figure it out.
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> Looking at the wiring diagram from and old Ford Contour, (The Contour is
> no long with us.) I am pretty sure the CC system could even come from a
> FORD!
> ...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Assessment of the new coach [message #96009 is a reply to message #95929] |
Mon, 16 August 2010 07:41 |
shawnee
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| Kimberlea Weeks wrote on Sun, 15 August 2010 15:09 |
Hi gentlemen,
My husband, Keith's birthday is coming up and I would definitely like to
give him a gift of cruise control. The one listed below, GM ElectroMotor
cruise control, is it what you would recommend? I went to the link and the
title was listed as AC Delphi Elctro-Motor (electric). Is that the same
thing? We have a 1974 Palm Beach - 455 olds toronado engine.
Kim
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Kim,
The easiest cruise control to install and works well is the Rostra that Duane Simmons sells. He has adapted everything for the GMC and gives good installation instructions. The last I heard, however, is that Duane is in the hospital and you may not be able to contact him. I installed one on my coach and it works well and easy to install. I think it cost $250 when I boutht mine a few years ago.
Gene Dotson
74 Canyonlands
www.bdub.net/Motorhome_Enhancements New Windows and Aluminum Radiators
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| Re: [GMCnet] Assessment of the new coach [message #96065 is a reply to message #96009] |
Mon, 16 August 2010 12:28 |
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mike miller
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| shawnee wrote on Mon, 16 August 2010 05:41 |
The easiest cruise control to install and works well is the Rostra that Duane Simmons sells. He has adapted everything for the GMC and gives good installation instructions. The last I heard, however, is that Duane is in the hospital and you may not be able to contact him. I installed one on my coach and it works well and easy to install. I think it cost $250 when I boutht mine a few years ago.
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I think JimK has Duane's kits:
<http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/561>
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: Assessment of the new coach [message #96751 is a reply to message #95913] |
Sun, 22 August 2010 00:27 |
spiffycar
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I don't understand the
references to "22" & "74", among other things.
Sorry i wasn't more clear on that on the photo site. I was making reference to the photo Illustrations of the sensors at the bottom of the page of the PDF file. Those two sensors which are the same (except for the adapter)will fit directly into the transmission in place of the original speedo drive and still allow you to retain the factory speedometer drive cable.
The buffer unit must be used to convert the signal of the sensor from an AC sine wave to a digital square wave for the cruise control to work with it.
It looks like Spiffycar may have a cheaper solution to buying a new VSS.
New vss =$70
Junk yard = "free"... as long as they don't strip search you!
Defiantly cheaper if you can find one as thy were only on two model years of cars.
Tried several others but no luck yet, except for a couple on some four banger Buick's & Fiero's. Those however have no provision for a speedo cable but can be used to supply the AC signal to the buffer.
Feel free to message me if you would like more details on any of it.
Paul W L
76 Daytona Beach! ( EX-Palm Beach )
Cleveland,OH
& Current Card Carrying Pull A Part VIP Member
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| Re: Assessment of the new coach [message #96876 is a reply to message #96751] |
Sun, 22 August 2010 20:52 |
spiffycar
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It looks like Spiffycar may have a cheaper solution to buying a new VSS.
Between the two albums, I think even I can figure it out.
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If there is enough interest to warrant it I may be able to putt together some sort of DIY upgrade kit ( mainly a wire harness, some hardware,installation instructions & possibly the hard to find items ) for other owners to use.
Not trying to step on anyone else s toes or anything ,just it seems to come up from time to time. I know it would have saved me a great deal of time and late night internet research.
Paul W L
76 Daytona Beach! ( EX-Palm Beach )
Cleveland,OH
& Current Card Carrying Pull A Part VIP Member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Assessment of the new coach [message #96912 is a reply to message #95928] |
Mon, 23 August 2010 11:01 |
Bob de Kruyff
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""Even if you get the OEM CC working, it will not be as reliable nor as
consistent as the more modern CC, and it will not have the "tap up/down" and
resume features which we've all come to expect.
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Being a typical cheep Dutchman, I still use the OEM cruise with good results. I did add the resume solenoid and adjusted the transducer to engage at about 2 mph above the set point. That way everytime I tap the button, it speeds up about 2 mph. For slowing down, I just hold the button.
Bob de Kruyff
78 Eleganza
Chandler, AZ
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