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Sat, 31 July 2010 08:30  |
Michael Bozardt
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A company is going to experiment with an electric powered GMC
motorhome. I will be only remotely involved, but I hope to keep the forum informed of the progress this company makes,(sorry, I can't say the name at this time). It is a serious effort and well funded, so I am expecting great things......Michael GEMRECS
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| Re: ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME [message #94048 is a reply to message #94046] |
Sat, 31 July 2010 09:10  |
GeorgeRud
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How about 6 hub motors for all wheel drive! If anyone can finally get the battery (or other energy storage format) up to snuff, I think electric vehicles could become reality. It's great that people are always experimenting and thinking outside the box.
The only other concern is that here in the midwest, most of out electricity is generated by coal burning power plants, so in the long run, we'd be running our vehicles on coal (instead of dead dinosaurs)!
George Rudawsky
Chicago, IL
75 Palm Beach
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| Re: ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME [message #94049 is a reply to message #94046] |
Sat, 31 July 2010 09:41 |
JohnL455
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Isn't coal dead dinasaurs too?
Actually in Chicago you would be driving a NUKE powered vehicle as most of our power here is from nukes.
John Lebetski
Woodstock, IL
77 Eleganza II
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| Re: [GMCnet] ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME [message #94050 is a reply to message #94048] |
Sat, 31 July 2010 09:43 |
James Hupy
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Like I have said before, There ain't no free lunch. Otto cycle piston
engines in spite of their shortcomings, are the best option besides pedal
power to power single unit transportation. All other methods require another
energy conversion process either on the unit itself like hybrid or battery
electric vehicles, or additional power generation plants. Think of the
electrical demands on the grid to handle rush hour in any major city of your
choice if all vehicles were electric. The only other option is to put
railway wheels on our GMC's and hook a bunch of them together and tow them
on tracks like boxcars. Picture that scene on the eastern seaboard. Turbines
make lots of power by burning LOTS of $$$ to do it. Steam also,Nuclear
fission or fusion anyone? Think of a multicar pileup using that technology.
Back to the past, using beast of burden power? Think of the waste disposal
problem. That is a lot of horse manure, but that might smell better than the
outhouses in congressional chambers during sessions with them trying to
debate this issue. Kinda like passing laws to prevent people from smoking
while taking huge sums of money from taxing the hell out of the tobacco
industry. Think of all the lost revenue from fuel taxes that would result
from even a 20% conversion from gasoline/diesel to electric. I don't think
I'm going to see it in my lifetime. The preceding comments are to be taken
as one man's opinion, and only partly related to the facts.
Jim Hupy
Salem, OR
78 Royale 403
On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 7:10 AM, George Rudawsky <GeorgeRud@aol.com> wrote:
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> How about 6 hub motors for all wheel drive! If anyone can finally get the
> battery (or other energy storage format) up to snuff, I think electric
> vehicles could become reality. It's great that people are always
> experimenting and thinking outside the box.
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> The only other concern is that here in the midwest, most of out electricity
> is generated by coal burning power plants, so in the long run, we'd be
> running our vehicles on coal (instead of dead dinosaurs)!
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> George Rudawsky
> Chicago, IL
> 75 Palm Beach
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| Re: ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME [message #94059 is a reply to message #94046] |
Sat, 31 July 2010 10:51 |
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mike miller
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| Michael Bozardt wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 06:30 |
A company is going to experiment with an electric powered GMC
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Michael,
"Electric powered" ???
House section, Prime mover or both?
Mike Miller -- Hillsboro, OR -- on the Black list
(#2)`78 23' Birchaven Rear Bath -- (#3)`77 23' Birchaven Side Bath
More Sidekicks than GMC's and a late model Malibu called 'Boo'
http://m000035.blogspot.com
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| Re: ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME [message #94174 is a reply to message #94046] |
Sun, 01 August 2010 09:19 |
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Hardie Johnson
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| Michael Bozardt wrote on Sat, 31 July 2010 09:30 |
A company is going to experiment with an electric powered GMC
motorhome. I will be only remotely involved, but I hope to keep the forum informed of the progress this company makes,(sorry, I can't say the name at this time). It is a serious effort and well funded, so I am expecting great things......Michael GEMRECS
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To pick a nit, vehicles cannot be "electric powered" unless you have something that taps into the crack in space and time. My point is we cannot create electricity, but only move it around. Same way with hydrogen.
Now, an "electric driven" RV will be very interesting.
Hardie Johnson "Crashj"
1973 26 foot Glacier, White Thing
Raleigh NC
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| Re: ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME [message #94179 is a reply to message #94172] |
Sun, 01 August 2010 11:14 |
Craig Lechowicz
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[quote title=Michael Bozardt wrote on Sun, 01 August 2010 10:01]ALL electric as in "All". That means electric motor(s) instead of the gasoline engine + everything else. It is a multi-million dollar effort that also involves buses....Michael GEMRECS
Sounds like part of those millions are going into an all new chassis. Unless you only want to go a block or have a really long extension cord, you are literally talking about tons of batteries.
Craig Lechowicz
'77 Kingsley, Waterford, MI
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| Re: ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME [message #94188 is a reply to message #94046] |
Sun, 01 August 2010 13:20 |
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if the cover the roof in solar pannels and made it "self charging" that could be interesting, especially for some hardcore dry camping. current technology Li-on batteries like that being used in the new Chevy Volt could be practical used in a GMC. a GMC hybird which could get 20-25 mpg would also be nice too, but would require redesigning of the drive pack. still something that could be designed to bolt up in place of the 455/TH425 combo would not be cheap...
73 Canyon Lands, (a.k.a. The Yellow Submarine) West Los Angeles CA
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| Re: ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME [message #94203 is a reply to message #94188] |
Sun, 01 August 2010 15:40 |
Craig Lechowicz
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| Duce Apocalypse wrote on Sun, 01 August 2010 14:20 |
if the cover the roof in solar pannels and made it "self charging" that could be interesting, especially for some hardcore dry camping. current technology Li-on batteries like that being used in the new Chevy Volt could be practical used in a GMC. a GMC hybird which could get 20-25 mpg would also be nice too, but would require redesigning of the drive pack. still something that could be designed to bolt up in place of the 455/TH425 combo would not be cheap...
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Shawn,
I'm not an engineer, and I may not have the #'s right in my head, so this could be wrong, but just to dimensionalize the task a little, I'd offer a few #'s. GM-Volt.com (a volt fanatic website independent of GM) and my feeble memory of some postings there are where most of the Volt info comes from. I believe the Volt battery pack weighs about 400 lbs. and depending on who you believe, costs between $3,000 - $8,000 for state of the art LI-Ion, with a very sophisticated temperature control system required, that I don't think is included in that price. (and definitely not in the mass). The Volt goes 40 miles with one of the lowest rolling resistance, most aerodynamic small cars ever. I'll bet GMC's rolling/aero is at least 10x worse but conservatively, let's say 5x. To get the same range then, 1 ton and $15k of batteries (at the low price and w/o temp control). If you actually wanted to use it as a m/h and travel a whole day of 600 miles, (15x farther) it would be 15 tons of batteries and $225k + cooling system. I won't do the math on charging, but even volts have a 220v charge option, so you would need a warehouse sized roof to charge. One other issue. Hybrids shine in stop & go driving due to regenerative braking. That's why their city mpg is higher than highway unlike conventional powertrains. Most m/h use doesn't see a lot of stop and go driving so little benefit of the hybrid p/t - maybe get a 10 mpg up to 12 or so, for a whole lot of money. Buses on the other hand (at least city ones) stop all the time and derive huge benefit from hybrids. GM has been making the powertrains for them for 5 years or so. But, as they are hybrids and not pure electric, the battery needs are much lower. Just wanted to put some #'s around this, as I dislike when everyone things automakers don't know what they are doing, and should just make 100 mpg cars. (You're not guilty of that but, most politicians and journalists are).
Craig Lechowicz
'77 Kingsley, Waterford, MI
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| Re: ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME [message #94207 is a reply to message #94046] |
Sun, 01 August 2010 17:45 |
g.winger
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I'm a big fan of GM, I work for GM. I'm hoping we sell a million Volts. The greenies need to step up to the plate and put their money where their mouth is. All the hand ringing and moaning about electric,,,,,its here. But, you're going to spend up to 10k on a storage device that holds the same as ONE GALLON OF GAS!!!!!!!! Electric, hydrogen, alcolhol, all are an enrgy transference. period. A really big battery breakthrough is needed to make electric viable not just evolution.,,,,Paul (whose wifes Saturn gets FORTY mpg with out the polution to manufacture an expensive pirous type battery) Leavitt
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| Re: [GMCnet] ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME [message #94213 is a reply to message #94212] |
Sun, 01 August 2010 18:26 |
James Hupy
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I read an article a bunch of years ago when the original Star Trek tv series
was in it's heyday, and some engineer (probably worked for some Govt agency
with a grant) estimated how much energy it would take to transport humans
from an orbiting spaceship to a particular spot on a planet's surface. Seems
like, if memory serves me well, that it would take the entire output of
Bonneville dam on the mighty Columbia river about 100 years to generate
enough power to accomplish that task with a party of four. Chief Engineer
Scott might have to turn up the flux generator on the dilithium crystals a
notch or two to transport a GMC from Salem to Las Vegas. Not only that but
at the speed of light, how do you stop that thing?
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 4:04 PM, <dennisfsexton@aol.com> wrote:
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> Rob,
> The second one could be called "Short Trek"
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> Dennis
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> Dennis Sexton
> 73 PD 230 -- with all electric vanity lights
> Germantown, TN
> USA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
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> Sent: Sun, Aug 1, 2010 5:51 pm
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME
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> G'day,
> I've already got a name picked out for my electric powered GMC!
> PIPE DREAM! ;-)
> Regards,
> ob M.
> SAussie
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| Re: [GMCnet] ALL ELECTRIC GMC MOTORHOME [message #94218 is a reply to message #94213] |
Sun, 01 August 2010 19:31 |
Keith V
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| James Hupy wrote on Sun, 01 August 2010 18:26 |
I read an article a bunch of years ago when the original Star Trek tv series
was in it's heyday, and some engineer (probably worked for some Govt agency
with a grant) estimated how much energy it would take to transport humans
from an orbiting spaceship to a particular spot on a planet's surface.
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Gotta love it when people tell us how much power something is going to take that doesn't exist, isn't known to be even possible and is based on science fiction. Sheesh.
Besides, I'm with McCoy, no way would I travel in that transporter!
Keith Vasilakes
Mounds View. MN
75 ex Royale GMC
ask me about MicroLevel
Cell, 763-732-3419
My427v8@hotmail.com
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