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Sun, 18 July 2010 18:39  |
pete lyons
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The thing I love about the GMC, as I expose more parts of it, I find more
things I can improve.
I have a leaky oil filter housing. I understand that the "o" rings are
difficult to find. Has anyone found a kit that replaces this? I want to get
as much stuff done while the wheels and manifolds are off, including
replacing ground straps.
as always, thank you!!!
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92462 is a reply to message #92459] |
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| pete lyons wrote on Sun, 18 July 2010 19:39 |
The thing I love about the GMC, as I expose more parts of it, I find more things I can improve.
I have a leaky oil filter housing. I understand that the "o" rings are difficult to find. Has anyone found a kit that replaces this? I want to get as much stuff done while the wheels and manifolds are off, including replacing ground straps.
as always, thank you!!!
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Pete,
The oil filter housing is part of the replaceable oil filter. If you mean the cooler/adapter, that has one O ring that is the same as the filter gasket. Either save an old one when changing out, or some suggest buying a brand new Fram and taking the gasket off and tossing the rest (the gasket being the only good part).
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92463 is a reply to message #92459] |
Sun, 18 July 2010 18:45 |
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Pete, save the gasket from the old filter and use it.
We tried O rings and they did not seem to work much better.
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:39 PM, pete lyons <meandmygmcmh@gmail.com> wrote:
> The thing I love about the GMC, as I expose more parts of it, I find more
> things I can improve.
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> I have a leaky oil filter housing. I understand that the "o" rings are
> difficult to find. Has anyone found a kit that replaces this? I want to get
> as much stuff done while the wheels and manifolds are off, including
> replacing ground straps.
>
> as always, thank you!!!
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> --
> Pete Lyons
> New Albany, IN
> 76 Eleganza II "Optimus Prime"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92465 is a reply to message #92462] |
Sun, 18 July 2010 18:49 |
pete lyons
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Thanks for the clarification, yes it's the cooler/adapter, not the filter
itself.
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Matt Colie <mcolie@chartermi.net> wrote:
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> pete lyons wrote on Sun, 18 July 2010 19:39
> > The thing I love about the GMC, as I expose more parts of it, I find more
> things I can improve.
> >
> > I have a leaky oil filter housing. I understand that the "o" rings are
> difficult to find. Has anyone found a kit that replaces this? I want to get
> as much stuff done while the wheels and manifolds are off, including
> replacing ground straps.
> >
> > as always, thank you!!!
> > --
> > Pete Lyons
> > New Albany, IN
> > 76 Eleganza II "Optimus Prime"
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> Pete,
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> The oil filter housing is part of the replaceable oil filter. If you mean
> the cooler/adapter, that has one O ring that is the same as the filter
> gasket. Either save an old one when changing out, or some suggest buying a
> brand new Fram and taking the gasket off and tossing the rest (the gasket
> being the only good part).
>
> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92503 is a reply to message #92465] |
Sun, 18 July 2010 22:28 |
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What's the concensus here on Oil Filters? I remember a while back a long thread and I think the WIX was the filter of choice? I currently have a Fram on my coach. Never had a problem with them...
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92514 is a reply to message #92459] |
Mon, 19 July 2010 06:02 |
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If you get a chance, search for oil filter testing on the internet. Some guy cut open on his lathe a bunch of filters, measured the pleats, thicknes of cans and ends, etc. I"ll never buy anothe fram oil filter. The internal ends are CARDBOARD!!! WIX is metal. Go by an O'rilleys, they have a Wix and fram cut open on display.,,,PL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92521 is a reply to message #92465] |
Mon, 19 July 2010 06:44 |
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Pete,
Gaskets from the more expensive oil filters are too large and won't
fit. It is the best thing a Fram filter is good for. Pick up one on
sale, remove the gasket, throw away the filter and you're done. You
will read many posts ranging from replace it every time, replace every
other time etc. As long as you don't disturb it during oil changes,
it should last through many oil changes. It is a very durable gasket
compared to others used in places on the engine where they only get
attention during disassembly.
On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:49 PM, pete lyons <meandmygmcmh@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the clarification, yes it's the cooler/adapter, not the filter
> itself.
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> On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Matt Colie <mcolie@chartermi.net> wrote:
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>> pete lyons wrote on Sun, 18 July 2010 19:39
>> > The thing I love about the GMC, as I expose more parts of it, I find more
>> things I can improve.
>> >
>> > I have a leaky oil filter housing. I understand that the "o" rings are
>> difficult to find. Has anyone found a kit that replaces this? I want to get
>> as much stuff done while the wheels and manifolds are off, including
>> replacing ground straps.
>> >
>> > as always, thank you!!!
>> > --
>> > Pete Lyons
>> > New Albany, IN
>> > 76 Eleganza II "Optimus Prime"
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>> Pete,
>>
>> The oil filter housing is part of the replaceable oil filter. If you mean
>> the cooler/adapter, that has one O ring that is the same as the filter
>> gasket. Either save an old one when changing out, or some suggest buying a
>> brand new Fram and taking the gasket off and tossing the rest (the gasket
>> being the only good part).
>>
>> Matt
>> --
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>> '73 Glacier 23 Chaumiere (say show-me-air)
>> SE Michigan - DTW 3.2/4R
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92525 is a reply to message #92459] |
Mon, 19 July 2010 06:50 |
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Gosh Steve, isn't like 4;45 there??? Ok,,went to the Orilley site,,1975, OLds 455 Toro Broughm,,,51258 for 6.99,,,also lists a fram as PH25. Confirm this on your own. PL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92535 is a reply to message #92525] |
Mon, 19 July 2010 07:07 |
Steven Ferguson
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Paul,
I'm usually up between 3 or 4:am. I just run out of sleep and just
laying there hurts my back. Once my mind gets going I can't get back
to sleep.
Just about everything I buy for my GMC is for a '76 Toro. I just
wait until a local parts store has them on sale. I will admit to
using a Fram oil filter for breaking in new engines. Run the engine
for 25 minutes, toss the break in oil and filter.
On another point. Have you seen the initial oil change point on new
GM engines. What is it, 10,000 miles or something like that?
That is BS. I dumped the oil in my new Colorado at 3,000 miles and
sent a specimen to Blackstone labs. There was more shit in that oil
than in the pan of a blown engine. The one comment they sent back was
"it was wise of you to change this oil when you did'.
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 4:50 AM, Paul Leavitt <leavittpaul@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Gosh Steve, isn't like 4;45 there??? Ok,,went to the Orilley site,,1975, OLds 455 Toro Broughm,,,51258 for 6.99,,,also lists a fram as PH25. Confirm this on your own. PL
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92547 is a reply to message #92521] |
Mon, 19 July 2010 08:25 |
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| Steven Ferguson wrote on Mon, 19 July 2010 06:44 |
Pete,
Gaskets from the more expensive oil filters are too large and won't
fit. It is the best thing a Fram filter is good for. Pick up one on
sale, remove the gasket, throw away the filter and you're done. You
will read many posts ranging from replace it every time, replace every
other time etc. As long as you don't disturb it during oil changes,
it should last through many oil changes. It is a very durable gasket
compared to others used in places on the engine where they only get
attention during disassembly.
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the gasket from the Wix filter will fit.
Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92569 is a reply to message #92547] |
Mon, 19 July 2010 11:52 |
Steven Ferguson
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Fred,
I think that the Wix is too good of a filter to pull the gasket out
of. I personally think they are one of the best out there and I sure
miss the caseload sales my favorite NAPA store in San Diego used to
have.
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:25 AM, fred veenschoten <fredntoni@cox.net> wrote:
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> Steven Ferguson wrote on Mon, 19 July 2010 06:44
>> Pete,
>> Gaskets from the more expensive oil filters are too large and won't
>> fit. It is the best thing a Fram filter is good for. Pick up one on
>> sale, remove the gasket, throw away the filter and you're done. You
>> will read many posts ranging from replace it every time, replace every
>> other time etc. As long as you don't disturb it during oil changes,
>> it should last through many oil changes. It is a very durable gasket
>> compared to others used in places on the engine where they only get
>> attention during disassembly.
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> the gasket from the Wix filter will fit.
>
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> '77 Royale RB 455
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92576 is a reply to message #92569] |
Mon, 19 July 2010 12:18 |
fred v
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| Steven Ferguson wrote on Mon, 19 July 2010 11:52 |
Fred,
I think that the Wix is too good of a filter to pull the gasket out
of. I personally think they are one of the best out there and I sure
miss the caseload sales my favorite NAPA store in San Diego used to
have.
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 6:25 AM, fred veenschoten <fredntoni@cox.net> wrote:
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> Steven Ferguson wrote on Mon, 19 July 2010 06:44
>> Pete,
>> Gaskets from the more expensive oil filters are too large and won't
>> fit. It is the best thing a Fram filter is good for. Pick up one on
>> sale, remove the gasket, throw away the filter and you're done. You
>> will read many posts ranging from replace it every time, replace every
>> other time etc. As long as you don't disturb it during oil changes,
>> it should last through many oil changes. It is a very durable gasket
>> compared to others used in places on the engine where they only get
>> attention during disassembly.
>
> the gasket from the Wix filter will fit.
>
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> '77 Royale RB 455
> P'cola, Fl
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no, i mean when you change the filter take the ring from the old Wix and put it in the cooler adapter and install a new Wix filter.
Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92590 is a reply to message #92576] |
Mon, 19 July 2010 15:33 |
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Just a note, the oil filter cooler/adapter is different on the 455 and the 403. The hoses on the 455 model follow close to the block, the hoses on the 403 model move away from the block. The hoses are a different length. They both will mount at the same place on the block.
For fun, the cooler/adapter on the Revcon 455 version is also different, or there was an earlier style. I have one of these, not installed on my coach, but the Revcon engine is. I used the 455 style with J.R.'s magnificent hoses.
Tom Phipps,
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92600 is a reply to message #92590] |
Mon, 19 July 2010 17:20 |
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On Jul 19, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Thomas Phipps wrote:
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> Just a note, the oil filter cooler/adapter is different on the 455 and the 403. The hoses on the 455 model follow close to the block, the hoses on the 403 model move away from the block. The hoses are a different length. They both will mount at the same place on the block.
> For fun, the cooler/adapter on the Revcon 455 version is also different, or there was an earlier style. I have one of these, not installed on my coach, but the Revcon engine is. I used the 455 style with J.R.'s magnificent hoses.
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> Tom Phipps,
> 75 GMC Ex-Avion
Hi Tom
Just a little modification of what you said. I believe that the adapter is the same for both engines where it mounts to the block.
The 403 has hoses all the way from the adapter to the radiator. The 455 has two steel lines that screw into the adapter that go forward to the front of the engine where shorter hoses connect to them to the radiator.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
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| Re: [GMCnet] Moving oil filter [message #92601 is a reply to message #92600] |
Mon, 19 July 2010 17:44 |
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| emerystora wrote on Mon, 19 July 2010 17:20 |
On Jul 19, 2010, at 2:33 PM, Thomas Phipps wrote:
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> Just a note, the oil filter cooler/adapter is different on the 455 and the 403. The hoses on the 455 model follow close to the block, the hoses on the 403 model move away from the block. The hoses are a different length. They both will mount at the same place on the block.
> For fun, the cooler/adapter on the Revcon 455 version is also different, or there was an earlier style. I have one of these, not installed on my coach, but the Revcon engine is. I used the 455 style with J.R.'s magnificent hoses.
>
> Tom Phipps,
> 75 GMC Ex-Avion
Hi Tom
Just a little modification of what you said. I believe that the adapter is the same for both engines where it mounts to the block.
The 403 has hoses all the way from the adapter to the radiator. The 455 has two steel lines that screw into the adapter that go forward to the front of the engine where shorter hoses connect to them to the radiator.
Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM
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Emery, are the hose connections the same on the two engines? i keep thinking there is something different between the two adapters.
Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
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