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Replacement steering column [message #90707] Thu, 01 July 2010 16:00 Go to next message
Dan Borlase is currently offline  Dan Borlase   Canada
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...I'd like to replace my steering colum, possably with one
with tilt and telicoping.
Has any one done this?, and what was the donner ?

Dan
Re: [GMCnet] Replacement steering column [message #90709 is a reply to message #90707] Thu, 01 July 2010 16:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kelvin is currently offline  kelvin   United States
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'85 Cadillac, if I remember right. It's been a few years and there are
a lot of things to do. It's a learning experience digging into a GM
column...

Not sure the Telescope feature was worth the effort. Mostly did it to
get the wiper, light and cruise control onto the stalk.

Kelvin
'73 23' in Eugene, OR
> ...I'd like to replace my steering colum, possably with one
> with tilt and telicoping.
> Has any one done this?, and what was the donner ?
>
> Dan
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Re: [GMCnet] Replacement steering column [message #90714 is a reply to message #90709] Thu, 01 July 2010 16:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dan Borlase is currently offline  Dan Borlase   Canada
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Kelvin...

Thanks for the input...sounds like you would'nt do it again...

Dan
Re: [GMCnet] Replacement steering column [message #90717 is a reply to message #90714] Thu, 01 July 2010 16:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dennis S is currently offline  Dennis S   United States
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I think Chuck Boyd has now done several -- he should be aong to advise soon.
Check the photo site and also see the document by Richard Sowers on GMC eastern states...

http://www.gmceast.com/technical/


Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA



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Kelvin...
Thanks for the input...sounds like you would'nt do it again...
Dan
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Re: [GMCnet] Replacement steering column [message #90719 is a reply to message #90717] Thu, 01 July 2010 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kelvin is currently offline  kelvin   United States
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Those are the names I remember, too. Richard's stuff was very useful.
I could do it again and probably would. I know my way around the GM
columns now, that's for sure...

Kelvin

dennisfsexton@aol.com wrote:
> I think Chuck Boyd has now done several -- he should be aong to advise soon.
> Check the photo site and also see the document by Richard Sowers on GMC eastern states...
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> http://www.gmceast.com/technical/
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> Dennis Sexton
> 73 GMC
> Germantown, TN
> USA
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Re: Replacement steering column [message #90722 is a reply to message #90707] Thu, 01 July 2010 16:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ken Burton is currently offline  Ken Burton   United States
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I watched Chuck Boyd do this to Dan Hart's coach just after the Eastern States rally this spring. He definitely knows all about it.

Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
Re: Replacement steering column [message #90743 is a reply to message #90722] Thu, 01 July 2010 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
John Sharpe is currently offline  John Sharpe   United States
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...I'd like to replace my steering colum, possably with one
with tilt and telicoping.
Has any one done this?, and what was the doaner ?

Dan


Dan, Basically what has to be done is grafting parts from another column onto the GMC column. The dimmer switch mounting and activating rod are different between years and models so they usually require some fabrication to get them to work. Steering wheels for the telescoping feature are specific so the usual ones we use do not fit.


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Re: [GMCnet] Replacement steering column [message #90745 is a reply to message #90743] Thu, 01 July 2010 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kelvin is currently offline  kelvin   United States
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Checked my notes. It's was an '86 Cadillac DeVille.
All of the "tilting" parts bolted to the stationary part of the GMC
column. It's not difficult but it is very fiddly. Lots of mixing and
matching. The info available makes this very do-able. I had it down to
a science for the couple months that I was messing around with it. All
forgotten now, of course. Such is life with CRS, huh?

I just don't use the telescope part at all. It's there if I need it but
I haven't really needed it.

Kelvin


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> > ...I'd like to replace my steering colum, possably with one
> > with tilt and telicoping.
> > Has any one done this?, and what was the doaner ?
> >
> > Dan

Dan, Basically what has to be done is grafting parts from another
column onto the GMC column. The dimmer switch mounting and activating
rod are different between years and models so they usually require some
fabrication to get them to work. Steering wheels for the telescoping
feature are specific so the usual ones we use do not fit.
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Re: Replacement steering column [message #90771 is a reply to message #90707] Thu, 01 July 2010 22:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
C Boyd is currently offline  C Boyd   United States
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Dan Borlase wrote on Thu, 01 July 2010 17:00

...I'd like to replace my steering colum, possably with one
with tilt and telicoping.
Has any one done this?, and what was the donner ?

Dan






Dan: The lower section of the GMC column is longer than the car columns and must be used from the tilt joint down. It is easier to use the lower joint housing from the Caddy as it has a guide for the rod going to the dimmer switch but is not manditory. The rod has to be extended. Everything inside swaps over. When looking for a doner Caddy column look for one with a 2 piece cover over the dimmer switch as it makes it easier to change the switch if ever needed. The one piece cover works fine just a little more hassle to get all lined up. The later Caddys have a different plug on the turn signal switch but the wires are same color code and order and can be grafted to the GMC plug. I usually just get a new one for a late 70s Caddy with curb lights as the plug is the same except for the 3 extra wires. You can still get AC (boxes) switches from Advanced Auto.

The biggie is the steering wheel. You can use the Caddy wheel (if you can find a good one) with the telescopic lock or you can modify a few GMC truck wheels. I have found 3 so far that can be modified by cutting a slot and adding the coller that covers the column when using the telescopic feature and by remaking the horn spring. One problem with the GMC and Caddy wheels is the cross bars get in the way of seeing the gauges. I have found one Caddy wheel (79 Eldo Limited) that will bolt on and has the cross bar off center at the bottom. I have also modified 3 different GMC truck wheels with the cross bar lower than center. When I did my first one I used my stock GMC early style wheel by adding the lower cover coller and just using a bolt to lock and unlock the telescopic feature under the horn button. Since I didn`t use it much it worked well. Grant also has a kit for their steering wheels for the telescopic feature.

It is a lot of work and hassle to convert and install but I think it is worth it. You get the convience of the dimmer, late cruise switch, electric wipers and washers, cornering lights, and telescopic feature. If you are still running the stock cruise you can use the stock turn signal lever with the cruise switch as a tilt lever by hammering the end round and cutting threads on it. Then you have 2 cruise switches installed and can use stock cruise till you get the later model cruise installed, unscrew the lever and swap it out. The only drawback is gettin use to pushing the button on the tilt lever instead of the turn signal. I usually get at least one phone call saying the cruise won`t work.

If you do go for it and run into issues, I am on the Black list in Knoxville, Tennessee, just call or e-mail and I can walk you thru it. You will need special tools to remove the steering wheel, lock ring, and tilt pins. Remember to loc-tite the 4 bolts holding the lower knuckle housing. It usually takes a full day to R&R the column (be carefull removing the rubber floor mat and pad) and another day or two to paint and assemble if everstuff goes well. It is also a good time to check the "center" of the steering box and getting the steering wheel indexed straight with the marks.

Hope this helps... Good luck


C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
Re: [GMCnet] Replacement steering column [message #90775 is a reply to message #90745] Thu, 01 July 2010 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Dan Borlase is currently offline  Dan Borlase   Canada
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You guys are just great...what a cool resorce to be able to tap
into...so...if I understand correctly... I should look for an 86
caddy, and go from there!! (correct!) Keep the steering wheel as it will be nessary, rather than th GMC truck wheel I presently have.

"how m"I doon so far??


Dan...who loves his 78 (former PB)...Borlase
Re: [GMCnet] Replacement steering column [message #90779 is a reply to message #90775] Thu, 01 July 2010 22:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
kelvin is currently offline  kelvin   United States
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>You guys are just great...what a cool resorce to be able to tap
>into...so...if I understand correctly... I should look for an 86
>caddy, and go from there!! (correct!) Keep the steering wheel as it
>will be nessary, rather than th GMC truck wheel I presently have.
>"how m"I doon so far??
>Dan...who loves his 78 (former PB)...Borlase

I found a Caddy wheel that worked well with my paint scheme. It could
stand to be recovered but I'll get around to that at a later date.

http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=24759&title=caddy-wheel&cat=4935

Kelvin
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Re: [GMCnet] Replacement steering column [message #90784 is a reply to message #90779] Thu, 01 July 2010 23:10 Go to previous message
Dan Borlase is currently offline  Dan Borlase   Canada
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Kelvin..

AS one can imagine...I'm going GAGA over your dash guage pannel!!!

...guess this why we pay Jimmy K. a thousand bucks for his...

Dan...I'm starting to drool already...Borlase
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