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| [GMCnet] Tire Balanceing Beads [message #89748] |
Thu, 24 June 2010 16:33  |
paul h cashman
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Hi All,
Has anyone tried, to add the Beads ,with the Valve stem center at the top
,but still on the Coach. , with the Valve Stem held up ?
It's Hot here in Georgia and that would make the Job, a lot easier..
Paul Cashman
Riverdale GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balanceing Beads [message #89750 is a reply to message #89748] |
Thu, 24 June 2010 17:12  |
Ken Henderson
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Paul,
When I first installed Counteract, I did it without removing the wheels. I
just jacked up each wheel, let the air out, removed the Schrader valve and
installed the Counteract with the stem near the ground. Then squirted some
air into the the stem to clear the threads before reinstalling the valve and
reinflating.
I tried to use a big (horse size) syringe to inject the beads through a
short tube that fit it and the valve stem. The beads didn't squirt real
easy, but the syringe did make a pretty good funnel.
Overall it was a LOT easier than removing the wheels and having them broken
down to drop the bags inside.
Ken H.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Paul Cashman <paulcashman@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> Hi All,
> Has anyone tried, to add the Beads ,with the Valve stem center at the top
> ,but still on the Coach. , with the Valve Stem held up ?
> It's Hot here in Georgia and that would make the Job, a lot easier..
> Paul Cashman
> Riverdale GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balanceing Beads [message #89760 is a reply to message #89748] |
Thu, 24 June 2010 18:43 |
Steven Ferguson
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Paul,
I deflated the tires, (off the ground), removed the valve stems and
used a ball point pen barrel as a funnel and poured the beads in.
Worked with no spillage.
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 2:33 PM, Paul Cashman <paulcashman@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
> Has anyone tried, to add the Beads ,with the Valve stem center at the top
> ,but still on the Coach. , with the Valve Stem held up ?
> It's Hot here in Georgia and that would make the Job, a lot easier..
> Paul Cashman
> Riverdale GA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balanceing Beads [message #89771 is a reply to message #89760] |
Thu, 24 June 2010 20:31 |
John Sharpe
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As everyone has illustrated. The valve core is removed and the valve stem is at the bottom. With the valve stem in the ground position the it will slant down hill to the tire.
BTW Haltec makes a valve stem for the Alcoas that allows for the filtered valve cores. Of course to install the valve stem the tire bead would have to be broken loose from the rim. And that is a job in this heat even with the proper equipment.
John Sharpe
Humble,TX
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balanceing Beads [message #89773 is a reply to message #89771] |
Thu, 24 June 2010 21:18 |
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| John Sharpe wrote on Thu, 24 June 2010 20:31 |
BTW Haltec makes a valve stem for the Alcoas that allows for the filtered valve cores. Of course to install the valve stem the tire bead would have to be broken loose from the rim.
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Do you have a part number and/or a source for these stems?
Steve Southworth
1974 Glacier TZE064V100150 (for workin on)
1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
Palmyra WI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balanceing Beads [message #89802 is a reply to message #89798] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 07:16 |
Steven Ferguson
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Ken,
Basically, you don't. They go all over the place when the bead is
broken. Let the tire guys know and they break one side of the bead
and vacuum out what remains. There's really no practical way to
recycle the beads.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Ken Coit <ktcoit@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been to the website. How does one recover the beads when it is time to
> replace the tires?
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> Raleigh, NC
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> 1978 Royale Rear Bath, 403, 3.07
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balanceing Beads [message #89816 is a reply to message #89802] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 08:41 |
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| Steven Ferguson wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 07:16 |
Ken,
Basically, you don't. They go all over the place when the bead is
broken. Let the tire guys know and they break one side of the bead
and vacuum out what remains. There's really no practical way to
recycle the beads.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 4:49 AM, Ken Coit <ktcoit@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been to the website. How does one recover the beads when it is time to
> replace the tires?
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> Raleigh, NC
> Parfait Royale
> 1978 Royale Rear Bath, 403, 3.07
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if you are putting on new tires could you cut the sidewall and drain out the beads?
Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balanceing Beads [message #89819 is a reply to message #89812] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 08:54 |
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Ken,
I had balancing beads in three of my old tires. The tires were very old.
The best I could determine on the date code was that it was B.C. To recover
the beads I let the air out and removed the valve stem. Then I drilled a
1/2" hole in the dry rotted sidewall and further enlarged that with a
jig-saw. Very easy to drill and saw. Turned the tire upright and captured
the beads using a strong magnet - from the base of an old 2m magmount
antenna.
Interesting findings - I weighed the beads from each tire on a digital
postage scale:
Tire 1 = 10.25 oz
Tire 2 = 11.4 oz
Tire 3 = 11.35 oz.
Total = 33oz. Should it have had 11.0 in each tire?
Beads are steel and look exactly like BB's.
Tom Eckert
73 Glacier N2VWN
Oakland, TN
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Ken Coit <ktcoit@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Steve. I found the advert a little confusing on that point. They
> spend a lot of time explaining how easily the beads are installed and that
> they are reusable, but not a word on how.
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> Raleigh, NC
> Parfait Royale
> 1978 Royale Rear Bath, 403, 3.07
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balanceing Beads [message #89821 is a reply to message #89819] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 09:20 |
Neil
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Would balance beads interfere with a tire pressure monitoring system located inside the tire (ie SmartTire system)?
Neil
76 Eleganza now sold
Los Angeles
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balanceing Beads [message #89836 is a reply to message #89819] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 11:35 |
Ken Henderson
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WOW! 11 oz! And steel. Sounds to me like a DIY installation & maybe a
little overboard.
Counteract specifies 4 oz. for 225-75R16 & I think their competitiors'
quantities are similar.
I'd be reluctant to use steel shot because of possibly rusting in the
inevitable moisture (unless you use only dry nitrogen) and the possiblity of
clumping of magnetized shot.
But if it works...
Ken H.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 9:54 AM, Tom Eckert <gmcrv1@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ken,
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> I had balancing beads in three of my old tires. The tires were very old.
> The best I could determine on the date code was that it was B.C. To
> recover
> the beads I let the air out and removed the valve stem. Then I drilled a
> 1/2" hole in the dry rotted sidewall and further enlarged that with a
> jig-saw. Very easy to drill and saw. Turned the tire upright and captured
> the beads using a strong magnet - from the base of an old 2m magmount
> antenna.
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> Interesting findings - I weighed the beads from each tire on a digital
> postage scale:
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> Tire 1 = 10.25 oz
> Tire 2 = 11.4 oz
> Tire 3 = 11.35 oz.
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> Total = 33oz. Should it have had 11.0 in each tire?
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> Beads are steel and look exactly like BB's.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balanceing Beads [message #89917 is a reply to message #89883] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 20:15 |
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| jw mills wrote on Fri, 25 June 2010 16:14 |
Some one here used 4 oz of the 6mm airsoft pellets (from WalMart) for
each tire.
These are too cheap to try and recover.
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I just installed 3 oz. of airsoft beads in 4 trailer tires. I got the idea from John Shotwell. He used them on his GMC tires.
My size trailer tires called for 3 oz each. GMC size tires call for 4 oz. per tire.
Ken B.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Tire Balancing Beads [message #89929 is a reply to message #89883] |
Fri, 25 June 2010 20:54 |
John Sharpe
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Neil,I have not had any problem with my tire pressure monitoring system while running the glass beads without using filtered valve cores.
Ken, the tire store people told me they just sweep them out and put them in the new tire. I've also been told that funnels are available to put them in the tire through the valve stem.
The valve stem made by Haltec for the Alcoa rims for use with the 'Equal' filtered valve cores is TV-553. They are available through JimK @ Applied GMC and probably at any other Alcoa dealer.
John Sharpe
Humble,TX
'78 Eleganza TBI
'89 Spectrum 2000 MPI V-10
'40 Ford Panel Delivery TPI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balancing Beads [message #89990 is a reply to message #89971] |
Sat, 26 June 2010 10:35 |
John Sharpe
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The valve stem made by Haltec for the Alcoa rims for use with the 'Equal' filtered valve cores is TV-553. They are available through JimK @ Applied GMC and probably at any other Alcoa dealer.
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I had the wrong part number and corrected it. The correct valve stem for Alcoas is TR 553. This is for the straight stem that we need for the Alcoas.
John Sharpe
Humble,TX
'78 Eleganza TBI
'89 Spectrum 2000 MPI V-10
'40 Ford Panel Delivery TPI
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| Re: [GMCnet] Tire Balanceing Beads [message #89994 is a reply to message #89971] |
Sat, 26 June 2010 11:32 |
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Yes, nearly 11oz. I'll assume that steel, ceramic or soft pellets does not
make a difference in the balancing. Less steel pellets to the oz. then
ceramic and even less for the soft pellets. The new tires are balanced with
conventional weights and mounted on Jim Ks Eagles and since the cabin seats
and bases are in the process of the Honda retrofit - it'll be a while till I
can give them a good test on the road.
Tom Eckert
N2VWN
73 Glacier
Oakland, TN
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 6:43 AM, Ken Coit <ktcoit@gmail.com> wrote:
> Airsoft pellets at WalMart it is. My Aurora needs some help.
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> Thanks.
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> Raleigh, NC
> Parfait Royale
> 1978 Royale Rear Bath, 403, 3.07
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