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Converting to Duracool [message #88467] Sun, 13 June 2010 21:08 Go to next message
Bob Horton is currently offline  Bob Horton   Canada
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I'm also trying to convert to Duracool. I'm assuming the system currently has R12 in it. Checked the pressure at the low pressure side and it was 65 plus pounds with the engine not running. Was just going to bleed of the existing gas but the high pressure got me worried. Does the system have to be running to bleed it off and insert the Duraccol. I have Emery's rundown but am in a quandary as to whether the air conditioner must be running or not to bleed off the old gas and insert the Duracool when there is already pressure in the system. Also 65 plus pounds seems excessive from what I am reading. (My Duracool kit comes with a guage and will only attach to the low pressure side)

Bob horton
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Re: Converting to Duracool [message #88469 is a reply to message #88467] Sun, 13 June 2010 21:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob

If the pressure in the system is 65 lbs with the engine off that would be normal pressure for R12 at 68 degrees. You could bleed it off to a slight positive pressure hook up your Duracool to the low side jumper the loss of charge switch start your engine turn on the a/c and suck in the duracool all without needing a vacuum pump. If you desire you could just add Duracool to the existing charge. Either way would be OK. The engine needs to be running and the air on to charge it.

Roy


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Re: Converting to Duracool [message #88470 is a reply to message #88469] Sun, 13 June 2010 21:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith V is currently offline  Keith V   United States
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Just remember, or know that, the duracool needs to be charged with the can upside down!

Also if you are using an AC gauge set, that has 2 gauges the high side gauge needs to be off when charging.

Personally I'd just add duracool if the system still has R12 in it


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Re: Converting to Duracool [message #88472 is a reply to message #88470] Sun, 13 June 2010 21:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
roy1 is currently offline  roy1   United States
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good point I always charge with the can upside down regardless of the type of refrigerant. If it is 134 or 12 just throttle the manifold valve so you don't slug the compressor.
Roy


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Re: Converting to Duracool [message #88474 is a reply to message #88467] Sun, 13 June 2010 21:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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why do you guys advise adding Duracool to an already charged up system?


Fred V
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P'cola, Fl
Re: Converting to Duracool [message #88475 is a reply to message #88472] Sun, 13 June 2010 21:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
hal kading is currently offline  hal kading   United States
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If you just add HC-12A (Duracool) to an unknown amount of R-12 how do you know what low side pressure gives max cooling? I'd bleed off the R-12 or have a shop recover it and then add the HC-12A. My shop didn't charge because they got the R-12.

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Re: [GMCnet] Converting to Duracool [message #88476 is a reply to message #88467] Sun, 13 June 2010 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Jun 13, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Bob Horton wrote:

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> I'm also trying to convert to Duracool. I'm assuming the system currently has R12 in it. Checked the pressure at the low pressure side and it was 65 plus pounds with the engine not running. Was just going to bleed of the existing gas but the high pressure got me worried. Does the system have to be running to bleed it off and insert the Duraccol. I have Emery's rundown but am in a quandary as to whether the air conditioner must be running or not to bleed off the old gas and insert the Duracool when there is already pressure in the system. Also 65 plus pounds seems excessive from what I am reading. (My Duracool kit comes with a guage and will only attach to the low pressure side)
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> Bob horton
> Brandon, Manitoba
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First NEVER NEVER try to fill to the high pressure side.

Yes, 65 psi is about right for a system with R12 that is not running. This will vary with the temperature.

The low pressure and the high pressure sides equalize after a while when the compressor is not running.

To bleed it off use the low pressure side and, with the air conditioner NOT running, bleed off the R12 until you don't hear any more coming out. Then again without it running put in one can of Duracool (the can should be inverted when filling -- with the fill valve down.

Then start you engine and put in a second can with the air conditioner running. Then with the engine running at 1500 rpm begin to put in a third can until the pressure is about 20 psi.

Now take the GMC for a ride for about 15 minutes and then check the pressure again at 1500 rpm with the air conditioner on MAX. If the pressure is higher bleed off a little. If too low then add a little.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM


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Re: [GMCnet] Converting to Duracool [message #88477 is a reply to message #88474] Sun, 13 June 2010 21:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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On Jun 13, 2010, at 8:42 PM, fred veenschoten wrote:

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> why do you guys advise adding Duracool to an already charged up system?
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> Fred V
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Duracool can be used to top up a R12 system but with the price so cheap it will cool far better to remove the R12 and install Duracool alone.

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Re: Converting to Duracool [message #88478 is a reply to message #88474] Sun, 13 June 2010 21:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That is a good point Fred I just assumed he didn't have a full charge. With 65 lbs pressure at 68 degrees you may be right. I prefer the R12 in my coach and that is what I will put in it if I have enough. I recently recharged my 4 runner with Duracool after I fixed a leak so I could save the little R12 I had left If I needed it for the coach.
Roy


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Re: [GMCnet] Converting to Duracool [message #88479 is a reply to message #88477] Sun, 13 June 2010 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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emerystora wrote on Sun, 13 June 2010 21:46


On Jun 13, 2010, at 8:42 PM, fred veenschoten wrote:

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> why do you guys advise adding Duracool to an already charged up system?
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> Fred V
> '77 Royale RB 455
> P'cola, Fl
Duracool can be used to top up a R12 system but with the price so cheap it will cool far better to remove the R12 and install Duracool alone.

Emery Stora
77 Kingsley
Santa Fe, NM


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i understand that but it sounds like his system is fully charged and no one said to check the pressure with the engine running to see where he is with it but instead said to add Duracool.


Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
Re: Converting to Duracool [message #88486 is a reply to message #88467] Sun, 13 June 2010 22:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bob Horton is currently offline  Bob Horton   Canada
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Thanks to all who replied on my Duracool querry.

Now - my original question a few days ago was:

"The Duracool kit I bought contains a can of "Duracool Quickseal" Does this also count as a can of Duracool?? DO I use it or just stick with 3 (plus or minus)cans of Duracool."

Bob Horton
Brandon, Manitoba






Re: [GMCnet] Converting to Duracool [message #88488 is a reply to message #88486] Sun, 13 June 2010 23:07 Go to previous message
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On Jun 13, 2010, at 9:30 PM, Bob Horton wrote:

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> Thanks to all who replied on my Duracool querry.
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> Now - my original question a few days ago was:
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> "The Duracool kit I bought contains a can of "Duracool Quickseal" Does this also count as a can of Duracool?? DO I use it or just stick with 3 (plus or minus)cans of Duracool."
>
> Bob Horton
> Brandon, Manitoba
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I personally would not use it.

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