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Sat, 12 June 2010 09:53  |
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USAussie
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G'day,
Reviewed my GMC - GPS folder and noted that there have been a number of
recommendations made vis-à-vis using a laptop for GPS:
Garmin: http://tinyurl.com/3phc4b
Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/streets/en-us/Products_StreetsGPS.aspx
Delorme: http://tinyurl.com/2emsmln
I would appreciate hearing about these three programs.
Helen picked up her iPad yesterday and it is model with the GPS chip in it,
as I understand all we'd have to do is buy a GPS app and we could use it?
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88328 is a reply to message #88224] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 02:17  |
jtblank
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Rob,
I got the Garmin Mobile PC with bluetooth 10x system about 2 months ago and it works great and for $49 was a no brainer. The following is website where I got mine, run it on my Dell 17" laptop and real easy to read and hear from the pilot seat with it sitting on the floor on engine cover. I figured at that price worth the try and can say now after using it, it is worth many times that! Love it! http://www.drivengps.com/LaptopPDA/Garmin-Mobile-PC-Software-p7886796.html
John Blankenship
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88345 is a reply to message #88224] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 07:56 |
JimGunther
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Hey Rob,
I'm mainly answering to "bump" your inquiry so you can get a more knowledgeable reply.
Full disclosure: don't use either enough to be an expert or discern any real fine points (Plus I've never configured my laptop properly so it doesn't go into sleep mode, so, if I forget to tap a key it sleeps and I lose it.)
I've got the Microsoft 2006 version w/the old GPS device. I like to fool around with it but use my car specific Magellan much which is also, (at least) OK.
Think the MS works well. Let's face it - it is amazing technology.
Jim Gunther
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88350 is a reply to message #88224] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 08:34 |
armandminnie
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Hi Rob,
We have been using MS Streets and Trips for several years and have upgraded twice (now on 2009 version). The biggest shortcoming of the program is the lack of info on points of interest, shopping, etc. which, from what I have heard, Garmin has lots of on their hand-held devices. Streets and Trips on the PC is, in my opinion, much better than a little GPS device from anyone because it has such a large screen - even on a netbook - and you can display so much more of your map. You do, of course, have to have a place to put the PC while you are driving which is no small feat in a car.
Streets and Trips has good trip planning too. You can set parameters for your driving speed and your road type preferences and the program does a pretty good job of estimating your travel times and your stopping points for multi-day trips.
If the Garmin software is as good as their hand held devices and it has the multi-day trip planning functions I would definitely consider switching to it the next time I upgrade.
Armand Minnie
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88359 is a reply to message #88224] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 10:03 |
Larry C
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Hey Rob
I am not sure what you are after here
I have operated a Laptop based GPS for many many years.
I started with a company product called CoPilot 2000.
The company sold the product to ALK and they introduced Copilot Live, Laptop 8
The biggest advantage is the large screen, especially for my eyes.
I also like the voice for direction, which can be put to sleep mode so you just see the map on the screen without it yelling at you when you miss a turn.
It will also respond to some voice commands.
I think most GPS offer mostly the same things, speedometer, 3D map display, fuel cost wizard, address entry, speed warnings, altitude indication as well as recomputing for detour. One feature is you can print out your speed at any point of the trip in case an officer of the law says you were EXCEEDING the speed limit and the GPS will prove him wrong. It is said to be acceptable proof in a court of law.
There are many new additions with the current versions that make mine look crude to todays standards.
I have a nice little table next to me in the GMC where the laptop sits and the GPS is on until we arrive at destination.
Accuracy would be put at 95%. The old CoPilot 2000 used to show the road leaving the map but the Laptop8 has corrected that.
They also offer upgrades for the map from time to time.
My communications with the company has generally been acceptable and they will try to help with any problems you may have and they encourage you sending any corrections to them. ( the program stores the trips and you can send it to them over the WEB with a click of the mouse.)
LarC ( From one who used to carry maps and keep in the ready at arms reach )
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS - caution long response [message #88371 is a reply to message #88224] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 11:29 |
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Matt Colie
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 10:53 |
G'day,
Reviewed my GMC - GPS folder and noted that there have been a number of recommendations made vis-à-vis using a laptop for GPS:
Garmin: http://tinyurl.com/3phc4b
Microsoft: http://www.microsoft.com/streets/en-us/Products_StreetsGPS.aspx
Delorme: http://tinyurl.com/2emsmln
I would appreciate hearing about these three programs.
Helen picked up her iPad yesterday and it is model with the GPS chip in it, as I understand all we'd have to do is buy a GPS app and we could use it?
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Rob,
I probably have more GPS stuff than anybody else you know and definitely more than anybody should. (Not a technogeek, but a lifelong waterman and a professional navigator the refuses to give up some habits - like knowing where I am and where I am going.)
I have ZERO experience with i_phone/pad navigation systems.
To best answer your question, I will tell you that the dashboard GPS is has a very different purpose than the laptop version (IMHO).
The dashboard (mine are Garmin - because the hardware/software worked with the marine version as well) are largely a drivers aid and are frustrating to use for travel planning. The internal database can be good, but because the POI (points of interest) categories are limited it can be very difficult to locate the desired destination/resource. Routing choices are limited also. It is difficult to impossible to force a via in many, and routes often apply little or no common sense to the design. They are getting better, but not fast enough. I have had less than a good time with these because they are dumbed-down to the point that I have to back up to deal with it.
A laptop GPS is difficult to use as a driving aid because it is not "in your face". Even with the Blue Tooth set up and working it for what it is worth, they still do not provide the "information NOW" that is helpful to a driver. They are, however, the all time king of planning tools. The routing parameters can be set up almost any way you choose and the then the suggested route can be modified with stops and vias until you have it exactly the way you want it.
A laptop is a tremendous tool on the road - if you have a navigator to watch it and run it. You will need to coordinate some language ahead of time because, if you set a route in the dashboard GPS, It WILL conflict with the routing the laptop will provide and you need to set the protocol in advance. I does require a competent operator to make it perform as it best can.
I have run both Streets and Trips (S&T)2008 and am now running Street Atlas (SA) 2010 (not plus). I changed between the two for many years.
In both, you can set start and finish and stops and vias for multiple routes. I had personal problems with S&T because the organization was not what I expected. Some of SA features are also difficult to utilize. If were not now (particularly having been force into a Win7 laptop) firmly standing against MS, I might have more patience with them, but they have worked hard to earn their reputation for providing vaporware.
A two capabilities that I use often in trip planning are: A - the fuel range estimation (plug in MPG, tank and start level) that will give you a pretty good idea where to plan a fuel stop (unless you are driving the Blue Ridge Parkway), and B- the end of day is also a helpful feature.
Stops can be planned to be an extended time (great for including museum stops)as well as fuel stop and/or EOD and the routing will be updated accordingly even if the change is made underway.
Two pieces of "Free" advice:
A - Go to <http://www.laptopgpsworld.com/> and read reviews and try to learn what you can.
B - Try to find loaners of both SA and S&T so you can play and see which better fits your thinking patterns.
Both S&T and SA past versions with a GPS device are available inexpensively on E-bay. Once installed and registered, they can be upgraded economically. I have not and would probably not use a BT GPS because I am paranoid about battery powered devices involved in critical tasks.
I have been doing this stuff for a dozen years. I still have the strange cable to split the 12 to the laptop and the GPS and feed the RS232 to the serial port.
Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88372 is a reply to message #88354] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 11:32 |
JimGunther
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| WD0AFQ wrote on Sun, 13 June 2010 10:11 |
I plan all of our trips on it then slap into my Lowrance dash mounted gps.
Dan
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Not to go off-topic but, how'd you do that?
I mean, USB cable or ??
Jim Gunther
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88377 is a reply to message #88224] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 11:56 |
Charles
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Rob,
I have used a Garman GPS, a TomTom GPS, Street and Trips
on my Laptop and Delorme Street Atlas on my Laptop. Of the
Basic GPS's the Garman was the easiest to set up a trip and
use but as for Laptop software Delorme is the greatest. Once
you use it nothing else is worth manure. I like mine so much I
installed a 110 plug on the floor under my dash with a converter
supplying the juice. I have it set up on a small GMC table just to
the right of the driver. Very seldom go anywhere with out it. In
the car I still occasionally use the TomTom. I do not recommend
TomTom in anyway. It is a nightmare to program. GO WITH
DELORME.
Charles Wersal
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88382 is a reply to message #88372] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 12:50 |
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| JimGunther wrote on Sun, 13 June 2010 11:32 |
| WD0AFQ wrote on Sun, 13 June 2010 10:11 |
I plan all of our trips on it then slap into my Lowrance dash mounted gps.
Dan
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Not to go off-topic but, how'd you do that?
I mean, USB cable or ??
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Jim, bad choice of words, on my part. I plan my trip with Streets and Trips. Then, I put an identical map in the Lowrance, manually. Once I have my route all figured out with Streets and Trips it is easy for me to make the Lowrance do what I want it to.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88384 is a reply to message #88224] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 13:21 |
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I have all three on my laptop and all are current versions.
My personal preference is Streets & Trips. It is by far the easiest to use and seems to have the most features.
John Ruff
| Robert Mueller wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 07:53 |
G'day,
I would appreciate hearing about these three programs.
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John Ruff
Chandler, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS - caution long response [message #88402 is a reply to message #88371] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 14:59 |
Ken Henderson
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Rob,
I agree with what I understand of Matt's comments. I tried Streets &
Trips some years back but preferred Delorme's Street Atlas. The one
comment I didn't find among his is the fact that SA DOES now have a 3D
"driver aid" mode similar, but superior to, the dedicated GPS units.
With a swing arm to bring a small laptop's screen close, I find it a
MUCH better aid than the dedicated units.
But be careful what you plan to run it on:
My old 12" IBM "butterfly keyboard" laptop worked fairly well in the
bright cockpit -- with a black plastic sun shield Velcro'd around it.
The currently mounted dedicated touch screen, designed for use as a
golf score entry system in open-air kiosks is very visible under
anything except direct sunlight.
The Lenovo S10-3t multi-touch screen tablet I just bought may prove to
be worthless as a replacement for the unit above: Its screen is so
high gloss that it's likely I'll have to go back to night travel to be
able to use it. I'm not sure a sun shade will even help. All of the
netbooks I've seen have similarly too-glossy screens, for some
mysterious reason
Oh yeah, from what little I've heard about iPad, can you even run a
"foreign" program like SA?
Ken H.
Americus, GA
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On Sun, Jun 13, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Matt Colie <mcolie@chartermi.net> wrote:
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> Robert Mueller wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 10:53
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>> I would appreciate hearing about these three programs.
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> I probably have more GPS stuff than anybody else you know...> Matt
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88414 is a reply to message #88224] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 16:08 |
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If you have a table to hold a laptop handy, I much prefer MS Streets & Trips. Includes an internet interface so when you get your mobile internet going you can easily get the latest information on road conditions, construction, restaurants, sights to see, etc...
Can keep North at the top or for map challenged it will automatically rotate so the road ahead is always at the top, you can choose a "3D" drivers view. Of little use, but it has night road map, political boundaries and topo views.
Great to bring up the Black list on the map so you can see who is nearby. Also easy to use the Discovery data files for rest stops, Flying J/Pilot gas stops, state parks etc.
Trip planning is a breeze, by shortest, quickest, length or miles per day, if your faster or slower than the speed limit driver. Easy to force to the way you want to go. Lots of RV park, hotel, restaurant info built in and again internet interface adds information. Cntrl E lets you draw a line to quickly get an idea of distance.
Includes the whole world. Good detail for Canada and most of Mexico, not much info for other places but great to look up the location of a town or country. Some of the dirt Indian trails through AZ are not so accurate. But all of the dirt logging roads I have been on are spot on.
Easy to update the maps by buying a new program $35 or so every few years, can't get just the maps. That is my only beef. Typical MS, they have to tweak the program each time. For 2010 they changed the user interface, different mouse usage but it is now more in line with navigating Google maps. This year the frame is an ugly black and the icons and pushpins are much more course.
And you get to use the same screen for the GMC websites, email movies or TV.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88446 is a reply to message #88414] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 18:58 |
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G'day,
Once again the information provided has enabled me to make an informed
decision, THANKS!
To answer some questions:
The Wi-Fi only iPad uses cell phone towers to locate its position and
naturally when there's no cell phone reception it doesn't know where it's
at. The Wi-Fi + 3G model has a built in GPS receiver. For some reason I
can't log into the iPad App Store to see what's available as far as GPS
goes. I have discovered two Co-Pilot and Motion-X. The reviews of Co-Pilot
have been bad. Motion-X GPS Drive reviews have been very good. It's an app
originally for the iPhone. From Motion-X's website I see the app costs $2.99
and then you need to pay $24.99 for a one year license. I have to see if
anyone offers a no contract sim card for Helen's iPad.
I have an old Garmin 2610 GPS that I have been carrying back and forth to
the USA with me. Add the laptop and Cannon BJC-85 portable printer, Treo 750
cell phone, and all the paraphernalia that goes along with them and getting
through airport security is a PITA. I want to reduce the amount I have to
carry back and forth and I figger'd that getting a laptop or iPad based GPS
would remove one item from the list. Oh yeah, I found a BJC-85 on eBay that
I'm bidding on.
As soon as I send this I'll download the trial version of S&T. I'll use it
on my trip from Houston over to the Coop. It will help me to determine if I
even want to go the laptop route.
I bought an Acer Aspire from Woot and that's what I was going to run the GPS
on, HOWEVER, the screen is REALLY shiny! I'll take it outside today and see
what I can see!
A price of $49.99 for the Garmin kit is ridiculous! The updates for the maps
in my Garmin cost twice that! I went to the website and unfortunately
they're out of stock; gee I wonder why? :-)
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
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USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88455 is a reply to message #88224] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 19:55 |
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Sat, 12 June 2010 07:53 |
Helen picked up her iPad yesterday and it is model with the GPS chip in it,
as I understand all we'd have to do is buy a GPS app and we could use it?
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
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Rob: I have an iPad without the GPS system. It came with a built in app called simply Maps, and it is explained well in the iPad users guide, chapter 11. It is tied in with Google maps and uses cell phone location systems and wifi systems to know where you are. One truly amazing thing it does is to allow you to look at the average speed on many urban roads and expressways, with a color coded road. As I understand it, how it does it is by looking at, in real time, the existing GPS systems in the hundreds or thousands of phones on the road, and how fast they are moving. As the traffic slows down or stops, it is noted something like "all those cell phones moving along I 10 in Phoenix are stopped between exit X and exit Y, so there is a major blockage there". I may be out to lunch in this description, but that is what I think I understand about how it works.
At any rate, the built in Maps app in the iPad is very interesting and it works in urban areas without having any GPS in the iPad itself. When in Missoula yesterday, I asked it "where am I now" and within seconds it showed me a google earth arial photo with the top of the costco store and parking lot, and showed that I was in the parking lot, probably within 20 feet of my actual location. It shows a circle of confidence, what it is saying is you are somewhere in that circle. Of course it was a photo of the parking lot at some other time, my rig was not there in the photo, but it was amazing in locating me. I could ask directions to another location, and it would find a route for me, again, without GPS, as my iPad has none. Check it out on your iPad, if it does the same thing there in OZ.
I have not used it enough to tell you more, but you may find it does a whole lot of things in Urban areas that will be useful to you.
Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88457 is a reply to message #88455] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 20:09 |
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USAussie
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Rob,
MORE good info!
I wonder if the iPad Helen bought here in Australia has the same info in
them for the USA and vice-versa?
We'll find out when she joins me in Orlando in late July! Considering the
amount of time she's "playing" with the bloody thing she should know
everything about it by then. She keeps asking me questions about it an I
keep telling her "Luv, I don't have a clue!"
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS
Rob: I have an iPad without the GPS system. It came with a built in app
called simply Maps, and it is explained well in the iPad users guide,
chapter 11. It is tied in with Google maps and uses cell phone location
systems and wifi systems to know where you are. One truly amazing thing it
does is to allow you to look at the average speed on many urban roads and
expressways, with a color coded road. As I understand it, how it does it is
by looking at, in real time, the existing GPS systems in the hundreds or
thousands of phones on the road, and how fast they are moving. As the
traffic slows down or stops, it is noted something like "all those cell
phones moving along I 10 in Phoenix are stopped between exit X and exit Y,
so there is a major blockage there". I may be out to lunch in this
description, but that is what I think I understand about how it works.
At any rate, the built in Maps app in the iPad is very interesting and it
works in urban areas without having any GPS in the iPad itself. When in
Missoula yesterday, I asked it "where am I now" and within seconds it showed
me a google earth arial photo with the top of the costco store and parking
lot, and showed that I was in the parking lot, probably within 20 feet of my
actual location. It shows a circle of confidence, what it is saying is you
are somewhere in that circle. Of course it was a photo of the parking lot
at some other time, my rig was not there in the photo, but it was amazing in
locating me. I could ask directions to another location, and it would find
a route for me, again, without GPS, as my iPad has none. Check it out on
your iPad, if it does the same thing there in OZ.
I have not used it enough to tell you more, but you may find it does a whole
lot of things in Urban areas that will be useful to you.
--
Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] Laptop Based GPS [message #88487 is a reply to message #88457] |
Sun, 13 June 2010 23:07 |
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Sun, 13 June 2010 18:09 |
Rob,
MORE good info!
I wonder if the iPad Helen bought here in Australia has the same info in
them for the USA and vice-versa?
We'll find out when she joins me in Orlando in late July! Considering the
amount of time she's "playing" with the bloody thing she should know
everything about it by then. She keeps asking me questions about it an I
keep telling her "Luv, I don't have a clue!"
Regards,
Rob Mueller
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Rob: iPad apps to look at: Beat the traffic (free) will follow you with your GPS enabled iPad. iTraffic also looks somewhat interesting, but is a $4 app.
I have Beat the Traffic, and it is very good. I am not sure if you can download them from the App store as they are US based, I don't know how Apple does App store things in other countries. Have Helen put those titles in the app store search box and you will find them, at least here in the US.
Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB
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