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Fri, 28 May 2010 01:23  |
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ljdavick
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Funny, I don't hear much on the Net about Golby or Cinnebar, well, nothing very positive. I don't have any experience with them, but they certainly cater to us.
We talk frequently, and positively, about many of our vendors, but I just don't hear a lot about Cinnebar or Golby. Any reason why?
Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine
On May 26, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Mr.erf ERFisher wrote:
> http://www.golbymotorcorp.com/
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> gene
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> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:29 AM, LYNN LAYCOCK <lynn_sr@msn.com> wrote:
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>> Funny thing I noticed this morning after taking the relay arm out. It has
>> Golby Motors name embossed on the arm. I wonder if thats the same company
>> that used to be in the GMC business? By the way, Cinnabar has the new
>> bushings,seals and the spool for the arm. Thanks for the suggestions..
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86380 is a reply to message #86378] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 01:42  |
jimk
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They have their agenda of not working with the rest of us.
I tried to call a group meeting of suppliers and repair shops lat year.
Golby refused to be in the same room with one person.
Cinnabar was not invited as we all know that he would not respond.
On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 11:23 PM, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:
> Funny, I don't hear much on the Net about Golby or Cinnebar, well, nothing very positive. Â I don't have any experience with them, but they certainly cater to us.
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> We talk frequently, and positively, about many of our vendors, but I just don't hear a lot about Cinnebar or Golby. Â Any reason why?
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> Larry Davick
> The Mystery Machine
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> On May 26, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Mr.erf ERFisher wrote:
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>> http://www.golbymotorcorp.com/
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>> gene
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>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:29 AM, LYNN LAYCOCK <lynn_sr@msn.com> wrote:
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>>> Funny thing I noticed this morning after taking the relay arm out. It has
>>> Golby Motors name embossed on the arm. I wonder if thats the same company
>>> that used to be in the GMC business? By the way, Cinnabar has the new
>>> bushings,seals and the spool for the arm. Thanks for the suggestions..
>>> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86381 is a reply to message #86378] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 02:26 |
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Larry,
I have never dealt with Golby and I have no complaints about the couple of
times I've dealt with Steve at Cinnebar for parts.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Davick
Funny, I don't hear much on the Net about Golby or Cinnebar, well, nothing
very positive. I don't have any experience with them, but they certainly
cater to us.
We talk frequently, and positively, about many of our vendors, but I just
don't hear a lot about Cinnebar or Golby. Any reason why?
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Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86389 is a reply to message #86378] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 07:20 |
Dennis S
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As for Cinnabar, I wonder if it is because they are more "original equipment" while the vendors we discuss more often supply enchanced or modified parts.
Whenever I have purchased from Cinnabar I have usually dealt with a polite lady-- they ship quickly, in fresh packing boxes and invoice correctly.
And the GMCnet may not be part of their business model -- they may in fact see it as competing with their business.
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 1:23 am
Subject: [GMCnet] Vendors
Funny, I don't hear much on the Net about Golby or Cinnebar, well, nothing very
ositive. I don't have any experience with them, but they certainly cater to
s.
We talk frequently, and positively, about many of our vendors, but I just don't
ear a lot about Cinnebar or Golby. Any reason why?
Larry Davick
he Mystery Machine
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Memphis TN Metro
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86393 is a reply to message #86389] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 08:06 |
Jim Bounds
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Dennis, I don;t see we look at them as competing, heck it's fine with me they are there-- they have packed away parts we also use. i wish they had a different program on their pricing but look at it this way, they do have the particular part and if they are proud of them-- hey, they have that right. it actually helps us in that we have some items available for less and if they want to set the bar high on parts pricing it's OK with me.
We all need the support of the GMC community, them too,
Jim Bounds
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From: "dennisfsexton@aol.com" <dennisfsexton@aol.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 8:20:32 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Vendors
As for Cinnabar, I wonder if it is because they are more "original equipment" while the vendors we discuss more often supply enchanced or modified parts.
Whenever I have purchased from Cinnabar I have usually dealt with a polite lady-- they ship quickly, in fresh packing boxes and invoice correctly.
And the GMCnet may not be part of their business model -- they may in fact see it as competing with their business.
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 1:23 am
Subject: [GMCnet] Vendors
Funny, I don't hear much on the Net about Golby or Cinnebar, well, nothing very
ositive. I don't have any experience with them, but they certainly cater to
s.
We talk frequently, and positively, about many of our vendors, but I just don't
ear a lot about Cinnebar or Golby. Any reason why?
Larry Davick
he Mystery Machine
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86402 is a reply to message #86393] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 09:11 |
Dennis S
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Jim,
Perhaps I should expand a little -- Cinnabar operates somewhat like an OEM supplier, not a performance parts supplier and they offer guidance/opinions in their subscription newsletter. The GMCnet serves as a free source of information including suggestions on replacement parts -- as such the GMCnet "competes" with Cinnabar. Just different approaches -- not wrong, just different.
And again, in my experience as a customer of Cinnabar they have been a very good supplier.
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN 38138-2066
USA
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From: Jim Bounds <gmccoop@yahoo.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 8:06 am
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Vendors
Dennis, I don;t see we look at them as competing, heck it's fine with me they
re there-- they have packed away parts we also use. i wish they had a
ifferent program on their pricing but look at it this way, they do have the
articular part and if they are proud of them-- hey, they have that right. it
ctually helps us in that we have some items available for less and if they want
o set the bar high on parts pricing it's OK with me.
We all need the support of the GMC community, them too,
Jim Bounds
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rom: "dennisfsexton@aol.com" <dennisfsexton@aol.com>
o: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
ent: Fri, May 28, 2010 8:20:32 AM
ubject: Re: [GMCnet] Vendors
s for Cinnabar, I wonder if it is because they are more "original equipment"
hile the vendors we discuss more often supply enchanced or modified parts.
henever I have purchased from Cinnabar I have usually dealt with a polite
ady-- they ship quickly, in fresh packing boxes and invoice correctly.
nd the GMCnet may not be part of their business model -- they may in fact see
t as competing with their business.
ennis Sexton
3 GMC
ermantown, TN
SA
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rom: Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net>
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ent: Fri, May 28, 2010 1:23 am
ubject: [GMCnet] Vendors
unny, I don't hear much on the Net about Golby or Cinnebar, well, nothing very
sitive. I don't have any experience with them, but they certainly cater to
.
e talk frequently, and positively, about many of our vendors, but I just don't
ar a lot about Cinnebar or Golby. Any reason why?
arry Davick
e Mystery Machine
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86405 is a reply to message #86378] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 09:28 |
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Matt Colie
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Very early in my GMC experience, I ended up on the phone with Wes and asked why I did not see Cinnabar in the organizational communication at all. He related that that had been at one time, but got into political issues with someone in the organization and backed away and have not looked back.
I also am within striking range of Cinnabar, and yes, you can inquire about parts by number and get their GMC newsletter (that is largely a means to sell things - IMHO), but as far as getting advice or assistance with an issue with a quick phone call, don't count on that.
If you need advice, this is the place.
As a client, I would much prefer to deal with a supplier that is active in the community.
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
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SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86421 is a reply to message #86405] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 12:08 |
Carl S.
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I had a conversation with a GMCer in New Mexico, just yesterday, who had blown his engine. For various logistical reasons, he was having the engine and transmission rebuilt locally, but needed some advice. He said that he called Jim bounds, joined the co-op, and had his mechanic call Jim. The mechanic told him that he could hardly believe it, but Jim was willing to spend an hour with him, on the phone, explaining all the specifics of building an engine for the GMC. Apparently Jim went over cam specs, piston specs, etc. etc. with this guy and my friend was a very satisfied customer!
That's why I, for one, patronize our active suppliers. The assistance and parts they can provide are invaluable.
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
Chuck Aulgur Reaction Arm Disc Brakes, Quadrabags, 3.70 LSD final drive, Lenzi knuckles/hubs, Dodge Truck 16" X 8" front wheels, Rear American Eagles, Solar battery charging. GMCSJ and GMCMI member
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86424 is a reply to message #86421] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 12:40 |
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That's the Jim's
Spend your GMC $$$'s with them
Howard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carl Stouffer" <carljr3b@yahoo.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Vendors
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> I had a conversation with a GMCer in New Mexico, just yesterday, who had
> blown his engine. For various logistical reasons, he was having the
> engine and transmission rebuilt locally, but needed some advice. He said
> that he called Jim bounds, joined the co-op, and had his mechanic call
> Jim. The mechanic told him that he could hardly believe it, but Jim was
> willing to spend an hour with him, on the phone, explaining all the
> specifics of building an engine for the GMC. Apparently Jim went over cam
> specs, piston specs, etc. etc. with this guy and my friend was a very
> satisfied customer!
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> That's why I, for one, patronize our active suppliers. The assistance and
> parts they can provide are invaluable.
> --
> Carl S.
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86446 is a reply to message #86424] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 17:07 |
Jim Bounds
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I guess I should explain or some of you might think I am nuts talking away with that guy about motors.
After battling my way up the side of the tin can learning all I could about how to make a motor live well in a GMC and after having 65 motors out on the road our motor program has been pretty successful. Yes, there have been some with issues and to be frank with you Neil's first motor I sold him for his coach went bad, a second one was built using the wrong cam and finally the 3rd time was the charm and he finally got a copy of the motor we have worked so hard to design, build and offer. Unfortunatly we did have those problems and that got me considering something new with regard to motors. It has always been that we had to have our crate motors installed by an authorised Jasper installation facility. You must understand that there needs to be some minimum standard to the install and set up. Unfortunately, this locks many folks out of having one of these motors so I have been working on a new program that will allow someone to install one
of our motors in their back yard and if they follow and document that they properly installed the motor-- it will have a warranty. This I feel is a huge boost for the shade tree guy who wants to do their own work.
We are building our first 3 motors, a netter will get the first one and we'll be able to document how the install goes. This guy called just at the worst possible time-- right in the middle of a changeover where we have no motors in the pipeline ready to ship. He needed it right away and in a month or so I would be able to accomodate him but right now my hands were tied so I felt the best thing I could do is clue in his builder on some of the stuff we put into our crate motors. I just want him to have a good motor, there are just so many things out there that can be problems for a GMC motor it just made sense to me that if I could not help him I would at least help him help himself.
You have to constantly work at quality so these new motors will be the latest/greatest which I have high hopes for. The motor he will build will be a flat tappet one, it's OK as long as he sticks with a ZDDP regiment. It will imulate the roller cam motor that Neil has.
I was proud when I saw the specs Neil got from tweeking our motor but I wanted to say this. You can;t polish a turd! What I mean is no matter how good a dyno guy is, he can only pull out of a motor what it has chocked away inside of it. Absolutly, tuning your motor on a dyno is the way to go. Our first motor left Florida burning the tires off, Chuck B. drove it straight from Florida to the Dyno Shop in San Diego where they pulled another pile of torque out of it. Thats what should happen when you have a strong motor build-- the more component parts like the dist and carb are set up to match the motor specs the better the motor will perform. But, do not expect to take a worn out, cheaply built or sloppy motor to a dyno shop and expect anything more than what a worn out, cheap or sloppy motor will do.
So, I helped him because it was the best way I could. I would have preferred to sell him a motor and he wanted to buy one but his time frame would not allow it. Watch soon as the first of these new serise of motors hits the road. They will also be a roller cam design, pretty much the same as Neils is. And if you want to take it to a chassis dyno, be sure you have good tires!
Jim Bounds
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From: Howard and Sue <hnielsen2@cox.net>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 1:40:44 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Vendors
That's the Jim's
Spend your GMC $$$'s with them
Howard
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From: "Carl Stouffer" <carljr3b@yahoo.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Vendors
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> I had a conversation with a GMCer in New Mexico, just yesterday, who had
> blown his engine. For various logistical reasons, he was having the
> engine and transmission rebuilt locally, but needed some advice. He said
> that he called Jim bounds, joined the co-op, and had his mechanic call
> Jim. The mechanic told him that he could hardly believe it, but Jim was
> willing to spend an hour with him, on the phone, explaining all the
> specifics of building an engine for the GMC. Apparently Jim went over cam
> specs, piston specs, etc. etc. with this guy and my friend was a very
> satisfied customer!
>
> That's why I, for one, patronize our active suppliers. The assistance and
> parts they can provide are invaluable.
> --
> Carl S.
> '75 ex Palm Beach
> Tucson, AZ.
> _______________________________________________
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86448 is a reply to message #86400] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 17:15 |
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| RF_Burns wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 07:11 |
Cinnibar is only 2 hrs away from me. I've had a 6 wheel alignment done there and a number of parts were purchased from them for the safety when I bought the coach.
While waiting in the somewhat small and bare waiting room for the alignment to be done I asked the Office lady if they had a catalog or listing of parts and accessories. She said no. I then asked if they carried a such'n such (can't remember what it was, some accessory) and she said I would have to give her a part number, then she could look it up. She didn't offer to look it up for me.
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Thanks for sharing that experience. Since Cinnibar is the "official" OEM supplier for our coaches, I had been wondering what parts they still carried. Evidently they do not wish to freely share this information.
David
'73 23' x-Painted Desert TZE033V100223
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86549 is a reply to message #86446] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 21:08 |
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Interesting discussion about GMC vendors. In particular, I appreciate JimB's
take on the situation. I see his point and understand it.
In another life I was the manager of a computer dealership. It was part of a
regional chain. The managers in the other locations hated user groups. A
user group met in our facility one evening a month. Some people would say,
"I'll bet you get a lot of business from them." The fact was the opposite.
Members of that group were the last ones to darken our doors because they
could get it from a mail order place cheaper. The weren't the clientele I
was after as far as financial gain was concerned. However, I saw no reason
to no associate with them. As a result, when a customer would come along
that was "support intensive" I felt at liberty to refer them to members of
the group. I knew they'd love to help and I knew my customer would get good
answers.
There are many more folks that own GMCs than are in our clubs or on the 'Net
here. It just boils down to "different strokes for different folks".
Personally, I've dealt with the Frady's and always been pleased. I've often
wondered why they don't get involved. They do have a business to run, bills
to pay and mouths to feed. They've figured out how to do it. I think they
realized a long time ago that the GMC isn't the only motorhome on the road
and that the other brands break, too.
As to experiences, we'll all not have the same experience with any vendor
because personality enters into the equation. I wouldn't bad mouth any one
without good cause because one day I just might need one of them. Sometimes
when you burn a bridge you find out you're on the wrong side.
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - http://www.gmceast.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86564 is a reply to message #86448] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 22:32 |
jimk
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I have been informed by various people that Cinnabar did not renew
their agreement with GM.
They are not trying to work with rest of the GMC shops.
Wes C. told RV Buddies that only they can do their project, that
having the others do it would be a big mistake.
On Fri, May 28, 2010 at 3:15 PM, David <david.stansifer@verizon.net> wrote:
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> RF_Burns wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 07:11
>> Cinnibar is only 2 hrs away from me. I've had a 6 wheel alignment done there and a number of parts were purchased from them for the safety when I bought the coach.
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>> While waiting in the somewhat small and bare waiting room for the alignment to be done I asked the Office lady if they had a catalog or listing of parts and accessories. Â She said no. Â I then asked if they carried a such'n such (can't remember what it was, some accessory) and she said I would have to give her a part number, then she could look it up. Â She didn't offer to look it up for me.
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> Thanks for sharing that experience. Since Cinnibar is the "official" OEM supplier for our coaches, I had been wondering what parts they still carried. Evidently they do not wish to freely share this information.
> --
> David'73 23' x-Painted Desert TZE033V100223
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86588 is a reply to message #86549] |
Sun, 30 May 2010 08:46 |
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| Byron Songer wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 22:08 |
Interesting discussion about GMC vendors. In particular, I appreciate JimB's
take on the situation. I see his point and understand it.
Personally, I've dealt with the Frady's and always been pleased. I've often
wondered why they don't get involved. They do have a business to run, bills
to pay and mouths to feed. They've figured out how to do it. I think they
realized a long time ago that the GMC isn't the only motorhome on the road
and that the other brands break, too.
As to experiences, we'll all not have the same experience with any vendor
because personality enters into the equation. I wouldn't bad mouth any one
without good cause because one day I just might need one of them. Sometimes
when you burn a bridge you find out you're on the wrong side.
Byron Songer
1978 Royale by Coachmen
Louisville, KY
Personal - http://web.me.com/bnsonger
Eastern States - [url]http://www.gmceast.com[/url
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Byron,
I have known Zeb Frady for several years and had work done where I couldn't do it myself. Never a problem. He has parts and does good work. Closest to me at 200 miles and I don't hesitate to use him when I need him and his boys. He realized a long time ago that he couldn't survive with just GMC work but still wants to work on them.
Gene Dotson
74 Canyonlands
www.bdub.net/Motorhome_Enhancements New Windows and Aluminum Radiators
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86592 is a reply to message #86378] |
Sun, 30 May 2010 09:39 |
Larry C
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Cinnabar was not invited as we all know that he would not respond.
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This may sound crass, but not meant to be...
If a meeting of the venders is/has been set to a date, ALL venders should be invited as a matter of business and as the GMC Community fairness of business. It is not our decision if they will or not participate.
There are far too few venders to snub a nose.
Each of our venders have their excellance and Weakness. The more venders available give a better chance of filling in all the holes.
LarC ( Uses the venders regularly for work I have no experience or equipment to perform )
Gatsbys' CRUISER  08-18-04
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86598 is a reply to message #86592] |
Sun, 30 May 2010 10:11 |
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I agree. Let the "vendor" eliminate himself.
In my experience a vendor asking other vendors to a meeting is going to be
less successful.
Also, what is a vendor -- a "mom and pop" operation handling less than ten
parts or one with significant investment in brick and mortar, inventory and
more than three employees working full time?
If a serious effort is made by an independent group of those without a
product to sell ask for a meeting then the effort may result in a better
response. The purpose of the meeting would need to be defined with an
objective beyond finding out who does what. What a customer may feel is
important is different than what a business may feel is important.
Are some of you thinking of a better vendor registry with a clearer
definition of who does what is needed? The definitions that currently exist
are, I believe, minimal. Keeping a registry up-to-date would involve the
cooperation of each vendor. Those that choose not too cooperate would be
conspicuously absent. Personally, I'd be willing to cooperate in the effort
to get something organized.
All of this discussion is interesting but, as JimB has pointed out, there's
a broader audience of GMC owners than exist on this forum or in our
motorhome clubs. Not everyone is club oriented.
Regarding the criticism of Cinnabar -- they must be doing something right to
still be in business for more than a few years. What is right for them may
not be what is right for JimK. There's more than one way to make a buck and
survive. Throwing a stone at their method accomplishes little.
Byron
Larry wrote:
> If a meeting of the venders is/has been set to a date, ALL venders should be
> invited as a matter of business and as the GMC Community fairness of business.
> It is not our decision if they will or not participate.
>
> There are far too few venders to snub a nose.
>
> Each of our venders have their excellance and Weakness. The more venders
> available give a better chance of filling in all the holes.
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86599 is a reply to message #86598] |
Sun, 30 May 2010 10:40 |
James Hupy
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If you guys are going to have a discussion about which company sells what,
at least describe them by the correct spelling. Vendor not vender. JMHO Jim
Hupy
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Byron Songer
<bsonger@songerconsulting.net>wrote:
> I agree. Let the "vendor" eliminate himself.
>
> In my experience a vendor asking other vendors to a meeting is going to be
> less successful.
>
> Also, what is a vendor -- a "mom and pop" operation handling less than ten
> parts or one with significant investment in brick and mortar, inventory and
> more than three employees working full time?
>
> If a serious effort is made by an independent group of those without a
> product to sell ask for a meeting then the effort may result in a better
> response. The purpose of the meeting would need to be defined with an
> objective beyond finding out who does what. What a customer may feel is
> important is different than what a business may feel is important.
>
> Are some of you thinking of a better vendor registry with a clearer
> definition of who does what is needed? The definitions that currently exist
> are, I believe, minimal. Keeping a registry up-to-date would involve the
> cooperation of each vendor. Those that choose not too cooperate would be
> conspicuously absent. Personally, I'd be willing to cooperate in the effort
> to get something organized.
>
> All of this discussion is interesting but, as JimB has pointed out, there's
> a broader audience of GMC owners than exist on this forum or in our
> motorhome clubs. Not everyone is club oriented.
>
> Regarding the criticism of Cinnabar -- they must be doing something right
> to
> still be in business for more than a few years. What is right for them may
> not be what is right for JimK. There's more than one way to make a buck and
> survive. Throwing a stone at their method accomplishes little.
>
> Byron
>
> Larry wrote:
>
> > If a meeting of the venders is/has been set to a date, ALL venders should
> be
> > invited as a matter of business and as the GMC Community fairness of
> business.
> > It is not our decision if they will or not participate.
> >
> > There are far too few venders to snub a nose.
> >
> > Each of our venders have their excellance and Weakness. The more venders
> > available give a better chance of filling in all the holes.
> >
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Vendors [message #86606 is a reply to message #86599] |
Sun, 30 May 2010 12:15 |
jimk
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Location: Belmont, CA
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If you have been in meetings at GMC International or Western States at
either board meetings and discussed Wes C. You'll Know why we did not
poll him to see if he would participate.
If your that shallow about this then I suggest you eitter get to know
people and how they hold themself up in this field.
I have delt with Wes since 1980 when I first aquired my first 77 GMC.
Ask him what he thinks of me. It will be the worst anyone can say
without calling me a JAP.
I did no just immerge overnight like lot of you. I have some history
under my belt.
My FMCA # 46430,I'll bet your #s are considerably higher.
On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 8:40 AM, James Hupy <jamesh1296@gmail.com> wrote:
> If you guys are going to have a discussion about which company sells what,
> at least describe them by the correct spelling. Vendor not vender. JMHO Jim
> Hupy
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Byron Songer
> <bsonger@songerconsulting.net>wrote:
>
>> I agree. Let the "vendor" eliminate himself.
>>
>> In my experience a vendor asking other vendors to a meeting is going to be
>> less successful.
>>
>> Also, what is a vendor -- a "mom and pop" operation handling less than ten
>> parts or one with significant investment in brick and mortar, inventory and
>> more than three employees working full time?
>>
>> If a serious effort is made by an independent group of those without a
>> product to sell ask for a meeting then the effort may result in a better
>> response. The purpose of the meeting would need to be defined with an
>> objective beyond finding out who does what. What a customer may feel is
>> important is different than what a business may feel is important.
>>
>> Are some of you thinking of a better vendor registry with a clearer
>> definition of who does what is needed? The definitions that currently exist
>> are, I believe, minimal. Keeping a registry up-to-date would involve the
>> cooperation of each vendor. Those that choose not too cooperate would be
>> conspicuously absent. Personally, I'd be willing to cooperate in the effort
>> to get something organized.
>>
>> All of this discussion is interesting but, as JimB has pointed out, there's
>> a broader audience of GMC owners than exist on this forum or in our
>> motorhome clubs. Not everyone is club oriented.
>>
>> Regarding the criticism of Cinnabar -- they must be doing something right
>> to
>> still be in business for more than a few years. What is right for them may
>> not be what is right for JimK. There's more than one way to make a buck and
>> survive. Throwing a stone at their method accomplishes little.
>>
>> Byron
>>
>> Larry wrote:
>>
>> > If a meeting of the venders is/has been set to a date, ALL venders should
>> be
>> > invited as a matter of business and as the GMC Community fairness of
>> business.
>> > It is not our decision if they will or not participate.
>> >
>> > There are far too few venders to snub a nose.
>> >
>> > Each of our venders have their excellance and Weakness. Â The more venders
>> > available give a better chance of filling in all the holes.
>> Â >
>>
>>
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