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To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86223] Wed, 26 May 2010 20:32 Go to next message
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Getting ready to make the new hoses for my AC. New ac compressor{134], new dryer from Jim K. New hose, fittings. adaptors on the compresor.
But I can't decide if i should use D-cool or 134. Have 8 cans left over from the case I purchased a few years back. Had good luck with the DC in the probe and the GMC. Not to sure if I should flush??? What do you think??? 134-Duracool???,,,PL
Re: To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86227 is a reply to message #86223] Wed, 26 May 2010 20:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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g.winger wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:32

Getting ready to make the new hoses for my AC. New ac compressor{134], new dryer from Jim K. New hose, fittings. adaptors on the compresor.
But I can't decide if i should use D-cool or 134. Have 8 cans left over from the case I purchased a few years back. Had good luck with the DC in the probe and the GMC. Not to sure if I should flush??? What do you think??? 134-Duracool???,,,PL


Duradcool. Less load on the compressor. Better cooling. I haven't done my GMC, yet but I now have a 91 Escort I can carry ice cream in without worry.


Steve Southworth
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1975 Transmode TZE365V100394 (parts & spares)
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Re: To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86228 is a reply to message #86223] Wed, 26 May 2010 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Keith V is currently offline  Keith V   United States
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If the cans are 134, use 134, otherwise use duracool.

I won't ever switch back to 134 I'll tell you that...


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Re: [GMCnet] To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86231 is a reply to message #86223] Wed, 26 May 2010 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Paul

If you're a member of GMCMI click on the link below:

http://www.gmcmi.com/

Click on: Members Only

Log in

Click on: Technical Seminar Handouts

Click on: Air Conditioning and Duracool

Review that document and you'll be able to make an informed decision.

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But I can't decide if i should use D-cool or 134.

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Re: To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86255 is a reply to message #86223] Thu, 27 May 2010 00:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One of the downsides to duracool is that most air conditioning shops won't touch your system if you have duracool. So if your concerned about servicing the system use the 134.

Michael
Re: To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86262 is a reply to message #86223] Thu, 27 May 2010 04:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If I had the OEM dash air system I would use the Duracool. But I don't, mines been replaced with new Acme plenum / air exchange box and control head. A6 is new, condenser is the only thing original. So I use 134 and it blasts cold air. I used duracool on my corvette.

Rusty
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Philadelphia Pa
Re: To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86269 is a reply to message #86223] Thu, 27 May 2010 07:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When I bought my Coach, all of the hoses/fittings leaked which required adding Freon often.
As a experiment I tried DC in September 2009, to date the A/C blows Cold, no leaks. If you have not removed your hoses yet you might try it.
JWID


Richard MacDonald Punta Gorda, Florida Sold our TZE April 2015
Re: [GMCnet] To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86276 is a reply to message #86223] Thu, 27 May 2010 08:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Paul,
Having used both, I can't imagine anyone not going with the Duracool,
especially someone who has used it before. Just prior to this trip, I
installed one can in our Caprice. I drove it over to a shop owned by
a non-believer to show him the reading on the thermometer in the
middle dash outlet....27 deg when moving, 29 while idling. Another
case should be waiting for me when we get home and I can increase the
dosage to bring the temp up a few deg. Too darn cold like this.

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Paul Leavitt <leavittpaul@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Getting ready to make the new hoses for my AC. New ac compressor{134], new dryer from Jim K. New hose, fittings. adaptors on the compresor.
>     But I can't decide if i should use D-cool or 134. Have 8 cans left over from the case I purchased a few years back. Had good luck with the DC in the probe and the GMC. Not to sure if I should flush??? What do you think??? 134-Duracool???,,,PL
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Re: [GMCnet] To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86283 is a reply to message #86223] Thu, 27 May 2010 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You should read the MSDS on 134a. You would not put it in
anything!!...........Terry

http://www.refrigerants.com/msds/r134a.pdf

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> Getting ready to make the new hoses for my AC. New ac compressor{134], new dryer from Jim K. New hose, fittings. adaptors on the compresor.
>     But I can't decide if i should use D-cool or 134. Have 8 cans left over from the case I purchased a few years back. Had good luck with the DC in the probe and the GMC. Not to sure if I should flush??? What do you think??? 134-Duracool???,,,PL
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Re: To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86291 is a reply to message #86223] Thu, 27 May 2010 10:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I had heard this awile back and the MSDS confirms this, 134 and AL don't like each other. The reason it is in AC comp,fittings etc. is AL oxidises some right after its formed or machined into AC componetes.PL
Re: [GMCnet] To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86294 is a reply to message #86291] Thu, 27 May 2010 10:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As Paul stated, aluminum oxidizes extremely quickly
from its "raw" state. I seem to remember that the
aluminum oxide protects agains further deterioration
and is NOT reactive with much of anything.

Also, note that the MSDS shows reactivity with POWDERED
aluminum.


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From: leavittpaul@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 10:28:38 -0500
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool

I had heard this awhile back and the MSDS confirms this,
134 and AL don't like each other. The reason it is in
AC comp, fittings etc. is AL oxidises some right after
it is formed or machined into AC components.

PL
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Re: [GMCnet] To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86299 is a reply to message #86291] Thu, 27 May 2010 11:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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134 is also very toxic, canadian techs would not even work with it.

gene



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> I had heard this awile back and the MSDS confirms this, 134 and AL don't
> like each other. The reason it is in AC comp,fittings etc. is AL oxidises
> some right after its formed or machined into AC componetes.PL
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Re: [GMCnet] To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86302 is a reply to message #86299] Thu, 27 May 2010 12:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So what do GM, Ford, Chrysler, et al use for A/C
refrigerant of cars destined for sale in Canada?


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> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:48:46 -0700
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> 134 is also very toxic, canadian techs would not even work with it.
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> gene
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> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 8:28 AM, Paul Leavitt wrote:
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>> I had heard this awile back and the MSDS confirms this, 134 and AL don't
>> like each other. The reason it is in AC comp,fittings etc. is AL oxidises
>> some right after its formed or machined into AC componetes.PL
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Re: To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86305 is a reply to message #86223] Thu, 27 May 2010 13:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We{I work at a GMC assembly plant} uase 134 in every one we make.(we make chevys too),,,PL
Re: [GMCnet] To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86311 is a reply to message #86305] Thu, 27 May 2010 14:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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we were Canada running a rally, we were running a conversion seminar and
the AC techs would not touch the 134 coaches.

Now GM has not much choice- only thing they can sell is 134;>)

gene

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> We{I work at a GMC assembly plant} uase 134 in every one we make.(we make
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Re: [GMCnet] To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86319 is a reply to message #86305] Thu, 27 May 2010 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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G'day,

HyChill has been sold in Australia for years.

http://www.hychill.com.au/

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Re: To Dura-cool or not to Dura-Cool [message #86328 is a reply to message #86255] Thu, 27 May 2010 16:55 Go to previous message
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gmchunter wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 22:16

One of the downsides to duracool is that most air conditioning shops won't touch your system if you have duracool. So if your concerned about servicing the system use the 134.

Michael


You are right Michel. It is interesting though that I recently read that one of the major Asian appliance makers, Haier, (not sure if they are Korean or Chinese) are building a new refrigerator and AC unit manufacturing plant in which the only refrigerant will be propane based. I wonder if they will let them be imported to the US? And if so, what will the shops do then?

I believe I read that in Europe, most of the car manufactures use propane based refrigerant in their domestic auto AC production. Can anyone confirm that?


Rob Allen
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