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High Beams Failed [message #85863] Mon, 24 May 2010 16:56 Go to next message
Bob M is currently offline  Bob M   United States
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Last night I discovered I had no high beams. The parking lights and regular beams worked fine, as did all the markers. I could find no loose wires so I took off the dash cover to look for the light switch. I could not get my hand behind the dash to work on the dash switch nor could I see how to remove it. Here are my questions: Dimmer switch or headlight switch bad? How do I get behind the dash to work on the light switch and lastly, how do I remove it?

Bob Moss
'77 Eleganza II


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Re: [GMCnet] High Beams Failed [message #85875 is a reply to message #85863] Mon, 24 May 2010 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Maybe the bulbs are out? I've done this - driving along with one
headlamp out and noticing nothing 'till the other one goes out!

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On May 24, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Bob Moss <fums6@aol.com> wrote:

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>
> Last night I discovered I had no high beams. The parking lights and
> regular beams worked fine, as did all the markers. I could find no
> loose wires so I took off the dash cover to look for the light
> switch. I could not get my hand behind the dash to work on the dash
> switch nor could I see how to remove it. Here are my questions:
> Dimmer switch or headlight switch bad? How do I get behind the dash
> to work on the light switch and lastly, how do I remove it?
>
> Bob Moss
> '77 Eleganza II
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Re: High Beams Failed [message #85893 is a reply to message #85863] Mon, 24 May 2010 18:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Bob M wrote on Mon, 24 May 2010 17:56

Last night I discovered I had no high beams. The parking lights and regular beams worked fine, as did all the markers. I could find no loose wires so I took off the dash cover to look for the light switch. I could not get my hand behind the dash to work on the dash switch nor could I see how to remove it. Here are my questions: Dimmer switch or headlight switch bad? How do I get behind the dash to work on the light switch and lastly, how do I remove it?

Bob Moss
'77 Eleganza II





Sir: Does the high beam indicator in the speedometer come on? If it does it probably is the bulbs. If it doesn`t it probably is the dimmer switch. You have to remove the 2 mounting screws in floor before you can unplug it. The headlight switch sends power to the dimmer switch so it is probably doing its job. But in answer to your question the headlight switch is acessable from under the rear dash cover. 1 screw on each end.


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Re: High Beams Failed [message #85899 is a reply to message #85893] Mon, 24 May 2010 18:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I am with Chuck. Pull the dimmer switch first and test it, if the bulbs are good. All you need is an ohm meter.
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Re: High Beams Failed [message #85900 is a reply to message #85899] Mon, 24 May 2010 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just another thought on the dimmer. Take a volt meter and test it. Pull the headlights on. There will be 12 volts to two of the three lugs. If it is there, hit the switch. Then the voltage will drop off one of the lugs and go to the other one. Kinda rare for a dimmer to go out but it is a place to start.
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Re: High Beams Failed [message #85901 is a reply to message #85863] Mon, 24 May 2010 18:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is your dimmer switch on the floor ... or on the steering column? On my 78 Royale you pull on the turn signal stalk, instead of moving it up and down as you would when operating the left/right turn indicators to operate the high-low dimmer. When my brights wouldn't operate, I connected the extension tube to an aerosol can of electrical contact cleaner, and inserted the tube into where the stalk connects to the steering column, and shot a good dose of cleaner into the interior of the column where the stalk connects to the column. A great deal of black dust shot out as it cleaned the terminal connections and the brights have worked great since.

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Re: High Beams Failed [message #85917 is a reply to message #85901] Mon, 24 May 2010 19:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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amdgmcman wrote on Mon, 24 May 2010 19:58

Is your dimmer switch on the floor ... or on the steering column? On my 78 Royale you pull on the turn signal stalk, instead of moving it up and down as you would when operating the left/right turn indicators to operate the high-low dimmer. When my brights wouldn't operate, I connected the extension tube to an aerosol can of electrical contact cleaner, and inserted the tube into where the stalk connects to the steering column, and shot a good dose of cleaner into the interior of the column where the stalk connects to the column. A great deal of black dust shot out as it cleaned the terminal connections and the brights have worked great since.






Sir: the dimmer on the stalk feature is a neet option added by a PO. It is about a 6 hour job that takes me 3 days. You can also add elec wiper and washer switches, late model cruise switch, cornering lights, and the Caddy telescopic feature. However the dimmer switch is on the outside on the lower part of the column. It bolts to the same place as the ignition switch. It is controled by a rod that runs down inside the column and is pushed by the lever. You probably blew the crud out and gave the lever more room to push the rod that pushes the switch.
http://www.gmceast.com/technical/Sowers_Steering_Column_Upgrade_Repair.pdf


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Re: High Beams Failed [message #85951 is a reply to message #85917] Mon, 24 May 2010 21:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Try a new headlight.
Re: High Beams Failed [message #86029 is a reply to message #85951] Tue, 25 May 2010 14:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I tried a new dimmer switch without any luck. So now its on to the wiring. There was a muted clicking sound when the switch was pushed for the high beams. It was not rythmic and remained on as long as the switch was in the high beam position. It disappeared when the switch was set to regular beams.

Bob Moss
'77 Eleganza II


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Re: High Beams Failed [message #86045 is a reply to message #85863] Tue, 25 May 2010 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Muted clicking... I don't have a wiring diagram here but I'm thinking the high beams have a separate circuit breaker and that clicking is the breaker tripping and resetting.

Try pulling the connector off the back of each bulb and see if the clicking stops (may be a weak breaker)

Do the headlights go off when you press the High Beam switch? I believe it is a SPDT type switch. When the high beams come ON the low beams are switched off.

I'll check the diagram tonight


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Re: [GMCnet] High Beams Failed [message #86047 is a reply to message #86045] Tue, 25 May 2010 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This sounds to me like a PO installed a relay. If you have some monster high beams it might have been added to handle the load.

Larry Davick


On May 25, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Bruce Hislop <bruce@perthcomm.com> wrote:

>
>
> Muted clicking... I don't have a wiring diagram here but I'm thinking the high beams have a separate circuit breaker and that clicking is the breaker tripping and resetting.
>
> Try pulling the connector off the back of each bulb and see if the clicking stops (may be a weak breaker)
>
> Do the headlights go off when you press the High Beam switch? I believe it is a SPDT type switch. When the high beams come ON the low beams are switched off.
>
> I'll check the diagram tonight
>
> --
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> S. Ontario Canada
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Re: High Beams Failed [message #86082 is a reply to message #85863] Tue, 25 May 2010 20:46 Go to previous message
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I checked the manual for the headlight wiring tonight. There is a 25Amp circuit breaker built into the headlight switch. As built, there is a single wire off the headlight switch contact to the dimmer switch which is a single pole double pole switch (SPDT). In other words, there is power to the low beams OR the high beams.

If the dimmer switch is operating properly, the low beam filaments should go out and the high beams come ON. If the low beams stay ON then there is something wrong with the dimmer switch, or a mod has been done to the wiring.

I'm still thinking the muted clicking you are hearing is the circuit breaker tripping and resting due to a short in the high beam wiring.

Do the low beams go out when you click the dimmer switch to high beam?

Turn on one of the dome lights at the front over the seats, if the CB is tripping you should see that light dim under the load of the short circuit until the CB trips. Or even watch the park and clearance lights at night.


Bruce Hislop
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