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| Confusion [message #84261] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 19:00  |
David
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Greetings, all. I have now had the second mechanic tell me that my front wheel bearings are sealed and not in need of grease. Is this possible? Advice please. David
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| Re: Confusion [message #84269 is a reply to message #84261] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 19:57  |
Gail Marks Cruiser
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G'day,
Sounds like you are dealing with a younger mechanic. Seems most new stuff comes with "sealed for life" wheel bearings and don't need repacking, Unfortunately GMC's do.
Their are a couple of different options of fitting grease nipples so you don't need to disassemble the whole hub every time. I'm sure members more wise than I will chime in here.
Their is a lot of weight and stress on those parts, regular inspection and fresh grease is great piece of mind.
Mark Bennett
Gail & Mark's Cruiser
Gold Coast, Australia.
Motorhoming Lifestyle.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Confusion [message #84283 is a reply to message #84272] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 20:51 |
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ljdavick
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...and the Wallace bearings were not sealed either???
Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine
On May 12, 2010, at 6:15 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> G'day,
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> Do you know if you have the standard GMC knuckles and hubs or do you have
> the heavy duty setup built by Bill Hubler:
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> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/635
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> I don't know if the Hubler setup has sealed bearings or not but I figured
> I'd ask.
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> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of David Stanley
> Sent: Thursday, 13 May 2010 10:01 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Confusion
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> Greetings, all. I have now had the second mechanic tell me that my front
> wheel bearings are sealed and not in need of grease. Is this possible?
> Advice please. David
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| Re: [GMCnet] Confusion [message #84288 is a reply to message #84267] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 21:00 |
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ljdavick
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There is a great deal of information here that you might print and take to your mechanic:
<http://gmcmotorhome.info/front.html#front%20bearing>
Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine
On May 12, 2010, at 5:42 PM, Gary Berry <duallycc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey David;
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> Well, your mechanic is right in the fact that there are seals up
> there, but the bearings are not permanently sealed, and do need to be
> inspected once in awhile (I'm only talking about the stock setup). I'd
> follow Emory's suggestion and find a third mechanic with more
> experience on the Toronado frontend.
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> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 5:00 PM, David Stanley <dswv@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings, all. I have now had the second mechanic tell me that my front wheel bearings are sealed and not in need of grease. Is this possible? Advice please. David
>
> --
> Gary and Diana Berry
> 73 CL Stretch in Wa.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Confusion [message #84289 is a reply to message #84283] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 21:02 |
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USAussie
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Larry,
The Wallace setup was a ball bearing in addition to the OEM bearings.
I've seen pictures of it but I can't remember if they had grease zerks or
not.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry Davick
Sent: Thursday, 13 May 2010 11:51 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Confusion
...and the Wallace bearings were not sealed either???
Larry Davick
The Mystery Machine
On May 12, 2010, at 6:15 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Do you know if you have the standard GMC knuckles and hubs or do you have
> the heavy duty setup built by Bill Hubler:
>
> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/635
>
> I don't know if the Hubler setup has sealed bearings or not but I figured
> I'd ask.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of David Stanley
> Sent: Thursday, 13 May 2010 10:01 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Confusion
>
> Greetings, all. I have now had the second mechanic tell me that my front
> wheel bearings are sealed and not in need of grease. Is this possible?
> Advice please. David
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Confusion [message #84292 is a reply to message #84289] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 21:15 |
GMCNUSA
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The Wallace setup was a ball bearing in addition to the OEM bearings.
I've seen pictures of it but I can't remember if they had grease zerks or
not.
Yes the wallace hubs have zerk fitting and should be lubed after loosening the axel nut.
Larry Dilk
Indianapolis, IN
76 Eleganza II
Patterson 455,Turbo City TBI,
Just LOVE It!
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| Re: Confusion [message #84299 is a reply to message #84261] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 22:09 |
Ken Burton
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| David wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 19:00 |
Greetings, all. I have now had the second mechanic tell me that my front wheel bearings are sealed and not in need of grease. Is this possible? Advice please. David
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Look it up in the Maintenance manual and take him a copy of the pages if you plan on continuing to use that mechanic. I strongly suggest you find someone else who knows what they are doing if you plan to have work done on the front bearings.
If you do not check and lube the the bearings properly you will be sitting at the side of the road some day with a burned up bearing and also a destroyed hub and knuckle. This gets expensive very quickly.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Confusion [message #84301 is a reply to message #84296] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 22:19 |
Ken Henderson
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Thanks, Gene,
I was trying to find that because I though CRS had gotten me again! It's
been stated in this thread that Wallace added a BALL bearing. Not so. As
shown in that picture he added a TAPERED ROLLER bearing! I've never yet
figured out how one can reliably load an odd number of tapered bearings.
Maybe someone tell me -- I've been wondering since I first heard about it
10 years ago.
Ken H.
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>wrote:
> here go
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> http://gmcmotorhome.info/wallace.html
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> gene
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> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Larry and Cheryl Dilk <lwd222@msn.com
> >wrote:
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> >
> >
> > The Wallace setup was a ball bearing in addition to the OEM bearings.
> >
> > I've seen pictures of it but I can't remember if they had grease zerks or
> > not.
> >
> > Yes the wallace hubs have zerk fitting and should be lubed after
> loosening
> > the axel nut.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Larry Dilk
> > Indianapolis, IN
> > 76 Eleganza II
> > Patterson 455,Turbo City TBI,
> > Just LOVE It!
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| Re: [GMCnet] Confusion [message #84302 is a reply to message #84301] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 22:31 |
GMCNUSA
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I've never yet
figured out how one can reliably load an odd number of tapered bearings.
Maybe someone tell me -- I've been wondering since I first heard about it
10 years ago.
Ken you load two at a time and the third goes along for the ride. LOL Teeter totter anyone?
Larry Dilk
Indianapolis, IN
76 Eleganza II
Patterson 455,Turbo City TBI,
Just LOVE It!
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| Re: [GMCnet] Confusion [message #84304 is a reply to message #84272] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 22:49 |
jimk
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Hubler does have the sealed unit that can be replaced by any one
without any special tools.
Whole assembly costs around 230 and simple to do.
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Do you know if you have the standard GMC knuckles and hubs or do you have
> the heavy duty setup built by Bill Hubler:
>
> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/635
>
> I don't know if the Hubler setup has sealed bearings or not but I figured
> I'd ask.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of David Stanley
> Sent: Thursday, 13 May 2010 10:01 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Confusion
>
> Greetings, all. Â I have now had the second mechanic tell me that my front
> wheel bearings are sealed and not in need of grease. Â Is this possible?
> Advice please. Â David
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| Re: [GMCnet] Confusion [message #84311 is a reply to message #84302] |
Wed, 12 May 2010 23:03 |
jimk
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Larry,
The 3 bearing unit is nothing more than a training wheel for the
standard set up.
Mr. Wallace knew how to do the standard bearing very well, so they
lasted for a long time
I was one of the first to purchase and install it in 1983.
In 20,000 miles I had a loose knuckle and took it apart and realized
it was not all that great.
Wes Caughlan chewed me out for even thinking as an engineer how you
can load 3 bearings at one time.
Well, I'm not nearly as bright as he is.
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:31 PM, Larry and Cheryl Dilk <lwd222@msn.com> wrote:
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> I've never yet
> figured out how one can reliably load an odd number of tapered bearings.
> Maybe someone tell me -- I've been wondering since I first heard about it
> 10 years ago.
>
>
> Ken you load two at a time and the third goes along for the ride. LOL Â Teeter totter anyone?
> --
> Larry Dilk
> Indianapolis, IN
> 76 Eleganza II
> Patterson 455,Turbo City TBI,
> Just LOVE It!
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| Re: [GMCnet] Confusion [message #84334 is a reply to message #84322] |
Thu, 13 May 2010 07:10 |
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But it's not. :-)
Ken H.
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au>wrote:
> G'day,
>
> I plead CRS! ;-)
>
> I agree that one cannot load an odd number of tapered bearings BUT what if
> the outer bearing was a close tolerance ball bearing.
>
> Harley-Davidson converted from tapered roller wheel bearings to close
> tolerance ball bearings a few years back.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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