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[GMCnet] Update on Tranny [message #84123] Tue, 11 May 2010 17:39 Go to next message
fbhtxak is currently offline  fbhtxak   United States
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Dan,

Your tach removes all doubt!! 'Wasn't sure if you had one...
(Re my statement - "Agree with Ken and Jim - although a long
shot, the "noise
and sensation" you experienced may not be what it appears to
be...")

I'm with you on engine revs in a motorhome with a car
drivetrain!! There was a reason the designers rated the
engine at 3600 RPM("403") - and 3400("455").

Fred Hudspeth
'78 Royale - Tyler, TX
'82 Airstream Excella 28' Motorhome - Anchorage, Alaska


Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 11:09:24 -0500
From: Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Update on Tranny
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Thanks Fred. I wish that was it. At 60 mph my tach is
running around 26-2700 rpm. When the thing kicked, @ 60 mph,
I looked and the tach was at 3500. I never run the engine
over 3 grand, and normally about 26-2700. I do love
hotrodding but not in a 12,000 pound beast with a car engine
and tranny.
Dan
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Re: [GMCnet] Update on Tranny [message #84144 is a reply to message #84123] Tue, 11 May 2010 21:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
WD0AFQ is currently offline  WD0AFQ   United States
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I do appreciate your thoughts Fred. I thought sure someone would tell me just what to do to fix this. I guess no one has had the exact same problem other than Armand. He had to pull his and send it back to Manny. I am hoping that I don't have to do that. I have been out enough labor money already and can't really afford to pay for this again. Wally Anderson is on his way here, from Omaha, now and will see if he can help me out. I think we will swap the governor. I got to get it so I can drive it 20 miles next week. Putting it and the vdub in a car show.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] Update on Tranny [message #84159 is a reply to message #84144] Tue, 11 May 2010 23:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kosier is currently offline  Kosier   United States
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Dan,

I'll put my money on the kick-down solenoid in the tranny. I
just put one in before we went to Calhoun. Twenty bucks took
care of the problem. Well, that and another load of tranny
fluid. After driving home from west of Little Rock with the
switch-pitch in high stall, I was about ready to axe the tranny.
That solenoid was new last fall. In case anybody notices this,
the kick-down solenoid and switch-pitch solenoid are the same
except for wire length. Aluminum radiators are wonderful.

Gary Kosier

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>
>
> I do appreciate your thoughts Fred. I thought sure someone
> would tell me just what to do to fix this. I guess no one has
> had the exact same problem other than Armand. He had to pull
> his and send it back to Manny. I am hoping that I don't have to
> do that. I have been out enough labor money already and can't
> really afford to pay for this again. Wally Anderson is on his
> way here, from Omaha, now and will see if he can help me out. I
> think we will swap the governor. I got to get it so I can drive
> it 20 miles next week. Putting it and the vdub in a car show.
> Dan
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> danandteri.blogspot.com
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Re: [GMCnet] Update on Tranny [message #84183 is a reply to message #84159] Wed, 12 May 2010 08:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
WD0AFQ is currently offline  WD0AFQ   United States
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Gary, is that a part that I can get local? Is there a way to test it when I get it off? Wall is on his way here from Omaha today with a spare governor.
Thanks,
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] Update on Tranny [message #84186 is a reply to message #84123] Wed, 12 May 2010 08:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rick Williams is currently offline  Rick Williams   United States
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Dan

When I had my problem with my new tranny, Manny told me he was having trouble with the kickdown solenoids. His only source was from China. He suggested that I disable the solenoid by plugging the port underneath it. This requires removing the pan, removing the solenoid, tapping the port to accept a screw (the plug) and replacing the solenoid. This disables the solenoid and prevents any leakage by it that can cause shifting problems. My problem was the governor but when I got home, I disabled it anyway as I did not want future problems. Manny recommends using the shifter manually for kickdown as opposed to allowing the switch and solenoid to do it. I do not know enough about it to argue one way or the other so I went with his suggestion.
Gary stated that he got one for twenty bucks so maybe they are available locally, but again, Manny said he was getting them from China. I would be curious to know what his position is on this now that it is 3 years later. Good luck and keep us posted.

Rick


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1978 Eleganza II
Re: [GMCnet] Update on Tranny [message #84187 is a reply to message #84183] Wed, 12 May 2010 09:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WD0AFQ wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 08:12

Gary, is that a part that I can get local? Is there a way to test it when I get it off? Wall is on his way here from Omaha today with a spare governor.
Thanks,
Dan


Dan;

When you get the governor out, carefully observe where the spool valve is in reference to the valve body. When the spool is in the 'down' position, the lower port must have about .020" opening. Sometimes debris or varnish will hamper the action of the spool valve.

Drive the pin out of the nylon drive gear and carefully remove the spool valve. Notice how the spool valve is located in the valve body, it must be installed correctly.

Some of the after-market nylon gears are not correct. Compare it with a known good GM gear. The gear positions the spool valve in the lowered position, so accurately measure the gear with a good one.

With the spool valve out, dip the whole governor in laquer thinner and wash it good, blow it clean with low pressure air, and when assembling, put a small amount of ATF up in the weights area and dip the spool valve in ATF and assemble. Check to see everything is free.

Good luck and tell 'mr megasquirt' HI

Bob Drewes in SESD
Re: [GMCnet] Update on Tranny [message #84188 is a reply to message #84186] Wed, 12 May 2010 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Rick. Was your's kicking down to 2nd after the thing warmed up good, like mine? I plan to call Manny before I drop the pan on this thing. Seems that it takes a couple of hours before it starts acting up. I guess I should have not poured the fluid back in. Dang, do you know how hard it is to pour 2 gallons of fluid in that dipstick hole? I know that you do since you had a problem. It was almost exactly 2 gallons. Glad I had Teri to help me with that deal. Almost finished, had not spilled a drop, then wham, fluid everywhere. ha.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] Update on Tranny [message #84190 is a reply to message #84188] Wed, 12 May 2010 09:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Bob. I still think about you swapping the trans in Dothan.
I appreciate what you say and we will do that when Mr. Megasquirt arrives. He is driving his coach 586 miles and left last night. I expect Wally this afternoon. I tried to get him to bring his Yaris but he is like me in that he had rather be behind the wheel of the GMC. 45 mpg verses 8-10.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] Update on Tranny [message #84195 is a reply to message #84183] Wed, 12 May 2010 10:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dan,

I just removed the solenoid and put battery voltage to it. It
moved a couple of times and then quit. The seal was
distorted, which caused it to not seal. It is a normally closed
solenoid. Took it to my transmission-shop friend.
He said, "No problem, that's just a T-400 kickdown with a longer
wire." (Remember, mine was the switch-pitch
solenoid.) Reached in a drawer, pulled out the part and said
"You can make the wire longer, can't you?". So, any
tranny shop should have the part. Easy fix, when you can get to
it.

Gary Kosier

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>
>
> Gary, is that a part that I can get local? Is there a way to
> test it when I get it off? Wall is on his way here from Omaha
> today with a spare governor.
> Thanks,
> Dan
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Re: [GMCnet] Update on Tranny [message #84196 is a reply to message #84123] Wed, 12 May 2010 10:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Greg,,
I've had my trans out 6 times since I got the GMC. All of the symptoms and causes now just kinda blend together...but...I do remember after installing a new trans having some no shift problems. After talking with Manny about the problem (whatever it was) as a last resort, he suggested that I look to see if the the "Center Support Bolt" was in place. See Page 7-42 of the X7525B GMC Motorhome Maintance Manual. You will have to drop the valve-body to see it. Be VERY carefull that you get all of the check balls when you do this. My "center support bolt" was missing. Never did figure out why, but it caused all kinds of problems. So if you drop the pan, look see if it is there.
Larry Smile


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Re: [GMCnet] Update on Tranny [message #84197 is a reply to message #84196] Wed, 12 May 2010 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Oh...and say HI to *Squirt* for me....heh...heh...heh:

Larry wrote on Wed, 12 May 2010 10:34

Greg,,
I've had my trans out 6 times since I got the GMC. All of the symptoms and causes now just kinda blend together...but...I do remember after installing a new trans having some no shift problems. After talking with Manny about the problem (whatever it was) as a last resort, he suggested that I look to see if the the "Center Support Bolt" was in place. See Page 7-42 of the X7525B GMC Motorhome Maintance Manual. You will have to drop the valve-body to see it. Be VERY carefull that you get all of the check balls when you do this. My "center support bolt" was missing. Never did figure out why, but it caused all kinds of problems. So if you drop the pan, look see if it is there.
Larry Smile



Larry Smile
78 Royale w/500 Caddy
Menomonie, WI.
Re: [GMCnet] Update on Tranny [message #84329 is a reply to message #84123] Thu, 13 May 2010 06:23 Go to previous message
Rick Williams is currently offline  Rick Williams   United States
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Dan

My tranny did not work right at any temperature until I changed the governor. So it was a somewhat different symptom. However, as stated earlier, the governor change is an easy trial.

Rick


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1978 Eleganza II
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