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Tue, 30 March 2010 10:31  |
Gil Slaw
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Beads
Let me toss one more small log into the camp fire.
I have never doubted the truthfulness of those who have had success; I was looking for the why/how it worked or some repeatable demonstration of success so I hope that I didn’t offend anyone with my skepticism.
Over the many, many years that I have known about “bead balancing” starting with the first recipe of a level teaspoon of No. 9 lead shot for a 6.50 X 16 tire. No one has ever suggested how it works.
After our discussion last night I did some real digging into the mathematics, would really have to do some fancy modeling to account for the 4 or 5 obvious variables. I quit that approach very quickly!
After exhausting my mental avenues, very easy to do these days, I thought that I would did around in the internet and do it the easy way and I did come up with a hit.
Would link not display in Firefox, I had to use IE.
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/HowItWorks.htm
I still have to do some thinking on it but it is an explanation.
Gil
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| Re: Wheel Balancing Beads (Part III) [message #78575 is a reply to message #78573] |
Tue, 30 March 2010 10:49  |
C Boyd
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| Gil Slaw wrote on Tue, 30 March 2010 11:31 |
Beads
Let me toss one more small log into the camp fire.
I have never doubted the truthfulness of those who have had success; I was looking for the why/how it worked or some repeatable demonstration of success so I hope that I didn’t offend anyone with my skepticism.
Over the many, many years that I have known about “bead balancing” starting with the first recipe of a level teaspoon of No. 9 lead shot for a 6.50 X 16 tire. No one has ever suggested how it works.
After our discussion last night I did some real digging into the mathematics, would really have to do some fancy modeling to account for the 4 or 5 obvious variables. I quit that approach very quickly!
After exhausting my mental avenues, very easy to do these days, I thought that I would did around in the internet and do it the easy way and I did come up with a hit.
Would link not display in Firefox, I had to use IE.
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/HowItWorks.htm
I still have to do some thinking on it but it is an explanation.
Gil
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Sir: if smaller numbers would help? I have used 3 golf balls in 24.5 " tires and it works.
C. Boyd
76 Crestmont
East Tennessee
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wheel Balancing Beads (Part III) [message #78588 is a reply to message #78573] |
Tue, 30 March 2010 12:05 |
GMCWiperMan
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Gil,
There's never been any acrimony in any of these discussions, AFIK.
In a 1973 engineering course in dynamics (during my 2nd college career), the
professor presented the mathematical analysis of this very problem.
Unfortunately, I took away only the belief that he had proven the effect,
not a full understanding nor any possibility of duplicating the proof.
I also did a 'net search but couldn't find anything close enough to this
scenario, nor comprehensible enough for me to understand it after all these
years of mathematical atrophy.
The graphic demonstration at "Innovative..." correlates well with the effect
even if it is not mathematically rigorous.
Ken H.
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Gil Slaw <gslaw700@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Beads
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> Let me toss one more small log into the camp fire.
>
> I have never doubted the truthfulness of those who have had success; I was
> looking for the why/how it worked or some repeatable demonstration of
> success so I hope that I didn’t offend anyone with my skepticism.
>
> Over the many, many years that I have known about “bead
> balancing” starting with the first recipe of a level teaspoon of No. 9
> lead shot for a 6.50 X 16 tire. No one has ever suggested how it works.
>
> After our discussion last night I did some real digging into the
> mathematics, would really have to do some fancy modeling to account for the
> 4 or 5 obvious variables. I quit that approach very quickly!
>
> After exhausting my mental avenues, very easy to do these days, I thought
> that I would did around in the internet and do it the easy way and I did
> come up with a hit.
>
> Would link not display in Firefox, I had to use IE.
>
> http://www.innovativebalancing.com/HowItWorks.htm
>
> I still have to do some thinking on it but it is an explanation.
>
> Gil
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wheel Balancing Beads (Part III) [message #78591 is a reply to message #78573] |
Tue, 30 March 2010 12:38 |
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I don't think its as much math as it is physics. The heavy spot on the tire,
since it is forced to be in motion, follows the law of centrifugal force.
The beads, since they are free from the axle, follow the law of centripetal
force.
I could be wrong, of course.
Byron
Gil Slaw wrote:
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> Beads
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> Let me toss one more small log into the camp fire.
>
> I have never doubted the truthfulness of those who have had success; I was
> looking for the why/how it worked or some repeatable demonstration of success
> so I hope that I didn’t offend anyone with my skepticism.
>
> Over the many, many years that I have known about “bead balancing”
> starting with the first recipe of a level teaspoon of No. 9 lead shot for a
> 6.50 X 16 tire. No one has ever suggested how it works.
>
> After our discussion last night I did some real digging into the mathematics,
> would really have to do some fancy modeling to account for the 4 or 5 obvious
> variables. I quit that approach very quickly!
>
> After exhausting my mental avenues, very easy to do these days, I thought
> that I would did around in the internet and do it the easy way and I did come
> up with a hit.
>
> Would link not display in Firefox, I had to use IE.
>
> http://www.innovativebalancing.com/HowItWorks.htm
>
> I still have to do some thinking on it but it is an explanation.
>
> Gil
>
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| Re: Wheel Balancing Beads (Part III) [message #78624 is a reply to message #78575] |
Tue, 30 March 2010 17:49 |
fred v
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[quote
Sir: if smaller numbers would help? I have used 3 golf balls in 24.5 " tires and it works.quote]
i've read that you can put 4 oz. of water in the tire and it will do the same thing.
Fred V
'77 Royale RB 455
P'cola, Fl
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wheel Balancing Beads (Part III) [message #78627 is a reply to message #78573] |
Tue, 30 March 2010 17:54 |
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USAussie
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Gil,
THANKS!
Despite having the beads in my Kuhmos I too wondered how it worked. This
link explains it and since they work I will accept it.
BTW when I was building hot rod Harleys in Hong Kong there was a company in
the USA that would cut a groove in the sides of the crankshaft flywheels and
epoxy a ring in that had mercury in it. They claimed it would reduce the
vibrations significantly. I never had it done but always wondered if / how
it worked.
I also thought that since the beads worked mercury would work even better in
tires! I was going to try it until I found out that mercury is highly
corrosive to aluminum!
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Gil Slaw
Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2010 2:31 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] Wheel Balancing Beads (Part III)
Beads
Let me toss one more small log into the camp fire.
I have never doubted the truthfulness of those who have had success; I was
looking for the why/how it worked or some repeatable demonstration of
success so I hope that I didn’t offend anyone with my skepticism.
Over the many, many years that I have known about “bead
balancing” starting with the first recipe of a level teaspoon of No. 9
lead shot for a 6.50 X 16 tire. No one has ever suggested how it works.
After our discussion last night I did some real digging into the
mathematics, would really have to do some fancy modeling to account for the
4 or 5 obvious variables. I quit that approach very quickly!
After exhausting my mental avenues, very easy to do these days, I thought
that I would did around in the internet and do it the easy way and I did
come up with a hit.
Would link not display in Firefox, I had to use IE.
http://www.innovativebalancing.com/HowItWorks.htm
I still have to do some thinking on it but it is an explanation.
Gil
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wheel Balancing Beads (Part III) [message #78682 is a reply to message #78627] |
Wed, 31 March 2010 07:19 |
Steven Ferguson
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Water doesn't like aluminum either. One of the reasons some quality
tire shops have switched to nitrogen for filling tires is because it
contains no moisture. Dry rot issue. Hmmm, dry rot with moisture.
Hmmmmm
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Gil,
>
> THANKS!
>
> Despite having the beads in my Kuhmos I too wondered how it worked. This
> link explains it and since they work I will accept it.
>
> BTW when I was building hot rod Harleys in Hong Kong there was a company in
> the USA that would cut a groove in the sides of the crankshaft flywheels and
> epoxy a ring in that had mercury in it. They claimed it would reduce the
> vibrations significantly. I never had it done but always wondered if / how
> it worked.
>
> I also thought that since the beads worked mercury would work even better in
> tires! I was going to try it until I found out that mercury is highly
> corrosive to aluminum!
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Gil Slaw
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2010 2:31 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Wheel Balancing Beads (Part III)
>
>
>
> Beads
>
> Let me toss one more small log into the camp fire.
>
> I have never doubted the truthfulness of those who have had success; I was
> looking for the why/how it worked or some repeatable demonstration of
> success so I hope that I didn’t offend anyone with my skepticism.
>
> Over the many, many years that I have known about “bead
> balancing” starting with the first recipe of a level teaspoon of No. 9
> lead shot for a 6.50 X 16 tire. No one has ever suggested how it works.
>
> After our discussion last night I did some real digging into the
> mathematics, would really have to do some fancy modeling to account for the
> 4 or 5 obvious variables. I quit that approach very quickly!
>
> After exhausting my mental avenues, very easy to do these days, I thought
> that I would did around in the internet and do it the easy way and I did
> come up with a hit.
>
> Would link not display in Firefox, I had to use IE.
>
> http://www.innovativebalancing.com/HowItWorks.htm
>
> I still have to do some thinking on it but it is an explanation.
>
> Gil
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wheel Balancing Beads (Part III) [message #78726 is a reply to message #78682] |
Wed, 31 March 2010 11:54 |
Ken Burton
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| Steven Ferguson wrote on Wed, 31 March 2010 07:19 |
Water doesn't like aluminum either. One of the reasons some quality
tire shops have switched to nitrogen for filling tires is because it
contains no moisture. Dry rot issue. Hmmm, dry rot with moisture.
Hmmmmm
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Gil,
>
> THANKS!
>
> Despite having the beads in my Kuhmos I too wondered how it worked. This
> link explains it and since they work I will accept it.
>
> BTW when I was building hot rod Harleys in Hong Kong there was a company in
> the USA that would cut a groove in the sides of the crankshaft flywheels and
> epoxy a ring in that had mercury in it. They claimed it would reduce the
> vibrations significantly. I never had it done but always wondered if / how
> it worked.
>
> I also thought that since the beads worked mercury would work even better in
> tires! I was going to try it until I found out that mercury is highly
> corrosive to aluminum!
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Gil Slaw
> Sent: Wednesday, 31 March 2010 2:31 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Wheel Balancing Beads (Part III)
>
>
>
> Beads
>
> Let me toss one more small log into the camp fire.
>
> I have never doubted the truthfulness of those who have had success; I was
> looking for the why/how it worked or some repeatable demonstration of
> success so I hope that I didn’t offend anyone with my skepticism.
>
> Over the many, many years that I have known about “bead
> balancing” starting with the first recipe of a level teaspoon of No. 9
> lead shot for a 6.50 X 16 tire. No one has ever suggested how it works.
>
> After our discussion last night I did some real digging into the
> mathematics, would really have to do some fancy modeling to account for the
> 4 or 5 obvious variables. I quit that approach very quickly!
>
> After exhausting my mental avenues, very easy to do these days, I thought
> that I would did around in the internet and do it the easy way and I did
> come up with a hit.
>
> Would link not display in Firefox, I had to use IE.
>
> http://www.innovativebalancing.com/HowItWorks.htm
>
> I still have to do some thinking on it but it is an explanation.
>
> Gil
Steve Ferguson
'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/
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Steel wheels do nto like water also. I have a pair of wheels in my hanger that came off of a ranger that some how got water in them. They are a rusted mess. My buddy who owns then claims he is going to stop by and sand blast them. I doubt that will happen until he need another one for a spare. I personally doubt they are recoverable. Forget the water idea.
I wonder how water would work in the winter.
Clunk, Clunk, CLUNK.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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