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[GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78543] Tue, 30 March 2010 04:07 Go to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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Manny is an animal, and he almost killed me. There are some that think it
would take weeks to R&R a 455 and tranny, but:

Manny drove into my driveway at 1 PM and we started to unload the engine and
tranny. By 8 PM he had R&R-ed a 455 engine and rebuilt transmission. (I
held his coat).

Here are some pictures of what I call the CARNAGE , or what was remaining
after it was over.
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=32997&title=manny-praying-to-the-g&cat=5048

or (non forum)
*http://tinyurl.com/ygfl8y9

* but,

this was a tutorial on technology, and effort that was just amazing. It has
taken me 2 days just to recover and clean up the carnage (fall out) of the
exercise.

This was the first time either of us had been involved with a cherry picker
(Manny's), R&R of a 455. It was a lot faster than a Diesel / ? modified
engine install ;>)

WHAT FUN !! and WHAT A FRIEND !!
gene
*

*


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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78555 is a reply to message #78543] Tue, 30 March 2010 08:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMCWiperMan is currently offline  GMCWiperMan   United States
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Awesome! The first time I replaced the engine in my 23' (before I could get
home with it) took about 3 months! (Including engine & transmission
rebuild).

I knew NOTHING about GMC's at the time.

Is it running?

Ken H.

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:07 AM, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>wrote:

> Manny is an animal, and he almost killed me. There are some that think it
> would take weeks to R&R a 455 and tranny, but:
>
> Manny drove into my driveway at 1 PM and we started to unload the engine
> and
> tranny. By 8 PM he had R&R-ed a 455 engine and rebuilt transmission. (I
> held his coat).
>
> Here are some pictures of what I call the CARNAGE , or what was remaining
> after it was over.
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=32997&title=manny-praying-to-the-g&cat=5048
>
> or (non forum)
> *http://tinyurl.com/ygfl8y9
>
> * but,
>
> this was a tutorial on technology, and effort that was just amazing. It
> has
> taken me 2 days just to recover and clean up the carnage (fall out) of the
> exercise.
>
> This was the first time either of us had been involved with a cherry picker
> (Manny's), R&R of a 455. It was a lot faster than a Diesel / ? modified
> engine install ;>)
>
> WHAT FUN !! and WHAT A FRIEND !!
> gene
> *
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78564 is a reply to message #78555] Tue, 30 March 2010 09:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Harry is currently offline  Harry   Canada
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What takes him so long...?
Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78569 is a reply to message #78564] Tue, 30 March 2010 10:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mannystrans is currently offline  mannystrans   United States
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We took out the engine and tranny, leaving the final drive hanging.
Put back my engine and rebuilt tranny with power drive.
Now the fun begins, Gene needs to put all the accessories in.
All the bolts/brackets were put into a bucket so he needs to figure
out where they go <G>
To get it running, it may take days, weeks months, we'll see.

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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78577 is a reply to message #78543] Tue, 30 March 2010 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
LYNN L   United States
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Gene, leaving the final drive hanging is one of Mannys great ideas. I had removed mine with the tranny so when I replaced it with a Manny trans, It took this old man 2 days working four hours each day to Get Her Done. Wow what a difference a good trans makes in the performance of my caddy engine. The old one was noisy and would slip pushing into the wind down here on the coast. Now I'm planning some long trips. Thanks to Manny for all his help.
Lynn


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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78578 is a reply to message #78569] Tue, 30 March 2010 11:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Duce Apocalypse is currently offline  Duce Apocalypse   United States
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all the bolts in a bucket? thats just devilish! haha if you did that to me with a ford, no problem I could sort them out short order, but on a GMC, I think I'd rather put all the bolts into labeled ziplock bags so I know what went where. hopefully I wont have to change my gmc motor anytime soon...

say how did you guys manage to get a cherry picker in the coach?? I look at mine in my storage unit and cant think of a way to do that...


mannystrans wrote on Tue, 30 March 2010 10:23

We took out the engine and tranny, leaving the final drive hanging.
Put back my engine and rebuilt tranny with power drive.
Now the fun begins, Gene needs to put all the accessories in.
All the bolts/brackets were put into a bucket so he needs to figure
out where they go <G>
To get it running, it may take days, weeks months, we'll see.

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mannystrans@hughes.net
Manny's Trans / Power Drive
San Jose, California
408-937-1583
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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78580 is a reply to message #78578] Tue, 30 March 2010 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Duce Apocalypse wrote on Tue, 30 March 2010 09:04

...say how did you guys manage to get a cherry picker in the coach?? I look at mine in my storage unit and cant think of a way to do that...


It is a 23 foot coach with the door right behind the passenger seat. A "van" style cherry picker, with a longer arm, will reach right in from the door.

Not that I have actually done it!


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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78581 is a reply to message #78578] Tue, 30 March 2010 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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take a look at the pictures to see the cherry picker

I am looking at my 26 to sort out the bolts and brackets.


the reason it is not running is

new exhaust (going to NO muffler system)
new water pump
new PS pump
new fan shroud
new fan clutch
stock Howell system

else, same-o same-o ;>)

gene




>
>
> say how did you guys manage to get a cherry picker in the coach?? I look at
> mine in my storage unit and cant think of a way to do that...
>
>

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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78590 is a reply to message #78569] Tue, 30 March 2010 12:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMCWiperMan is currently offline  GMCWiperMan   United States
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Now that I understand. Remember when I posted a couple of years back about
how I could drop the whole drive train or install it in 30-45 minutes? One
of our dedicated GMC specialists was irate with me: Customers kept calling
wanting to know why he was charging 30 hours later.

Seems I forgot/neglected to mention those days/weeks of sorting through
those buckets and un/hooking stuff & chasing leaks & etc., & etc. :-(

Ken H.


On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Manny Trovao <mannystrans@gmail.com>wrote:

> We took out the engine and tranny, leaving the final drive hanging.
> Put back my engine and rebuilt tranny with power drive.
> Now the fun begins, Gene needs to put all the accessories in.
> All the bolts/brackets were put into a bucket so he needs to figure
> out where they go <G>
> To get it running, it may take days, weeks months, we'll see.
>
>
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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78607 is a reply to message #78590] Tue, 30 March 2010 15:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
mannystrans is currently offline  mannystrans   United States
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I was under the coach most of the time, but when Gene couldn't get the
tranny cooler lines loose, I fixed if for him by cutting them out.
Now he has choices; go with 3/8 lines, go along the frame, go over the
bellhousing. Decisions, decisions.

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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78620 is a reply to message #78578] Tue, 30 March 2010 17:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was convinced by one of my personal GMC heroes (who works alone)

Mr. Datson (Kelvin) here are his pictures, much better than mine showing me
I could do this ( with Manny's help)
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=10727&cat=3954

gene



> say how did you guys manage to get a cherry picker in the coach?? I look at
> mine in my storage unit and cant think of a way to do that...
>

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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78635 is a reply to message #78620] Tue, 30 March 2010 20:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I can attest to the fact that Manny is as good as they come. Gene, you are fortunate to live near him for part of the year. He is the pushiest volunteer helper that I have ever called a friend.
A true GMCer. Thanks Manny.
dan


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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78681 is a reply to message #78620] Wed, 31 March 2010 07:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Water pump installed or off during the removal and installation?

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com> wrote:
>  I was convinced by one of my personal GMC heroes (who works alone)
>
> Mr. Datson (Kelvin)  here are his pictures, much better than mine showing me
> I could do this ( with Manny's help)
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=10727&cat=3954
>
> gene
>
>
>
>> say how did you guys manage to get a cherry picker in the coach?? I look at
>> mine in my storage unit and cant think of a way to do that...
>>
>
> --
> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78702 is a reply to message #78681] Wed, 31 March 2010 09:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Mr ERFisher is currently offline  Mr ERFisher   United States
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it was off for the removal and insert,

so had to go buy another gasket and am now looking for the bolts

gene


On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 5:17 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>wrote:

> Water pump installed or off during the removal and installation?
>
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I was convinced by one of my personal GMC heroes (who works alone)
> >
> > Mr. Datson (Kelvin) here are his pictures, much better than mine showing
> me
> > I could do this ( with Manny's help)
> > http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=10727&cat=3954
> >
> > gene
> >
> >
> >
> >> say how did you guys manage to get a cherry picker in the coach?? I look
> at
> >> mine in my storage unit and cant think of a way to do that...
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> > “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> > -------
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>
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>
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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78711 is a reply to message #78702] Wed, 31 March 2010 09:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gene..
Be sure you look all the way to the bottom of the bucket!!! Twisted Evil BTDT myself
Ron


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Re: [GMCnet] 455 AND TRANNY SWAP IN 7 HOURS [message #78838 is a reply to message #78578] Thu, 01 April 2010 02:41 Go to previous message
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I must admit that I have more than once done the bolts in the bucket thing only to regret it later. I have used the sandwich bag with magic marker but also use cardboard cutouts for orientation for those instances where the bolt diameter is same but different lengths etc. The little time it takes to keep them organized pays off when it comes to reassembly. Obviously I'm not talking about using this on small projects but intensive tear-downs like engine install, rebuilds etc. If I can get it apart I can get it back together, and work, without the trial and error of which hole does the long one go in.

Just a thought. HIH


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