| Wheel balancing Beads (Part II) [message #78500] |
Mon, 29 March 2010 20:41  |
Gil Slaw
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Balancing Beads (Part II)
If you really need to try a tire additive consider this one.
Let me suggest an alternative to the $20.00 a pound magic beads that balance the seller's bank account. That is; you might consider using blasting "sand" (coal slag). It is very dry and heavy so it will flow into the unbalance area easily, it is also very sharp so it will pack tightly into the small "correction nodes" so you will need less of it. The best part is that it only costs about $8.00 for a 50 pounds bag so you can make a fortune selling your excess to friends and family.
I bought a lottery ticket today so please don't accuse me of not believing in miracles.
Gil Slaw
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wheel balancing Beads (Part II) [message #78508 is a reply to message #78500] |
Mon, 29 March 2010 20:57  |
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Gil,
I'd be concerned about the sharp edges on the sand; the insides of tires
aren't designed as wear surfaces; the silicone lubricant on Counteract, and
probably others, should help prevent any damage to the tire's lining.
There's no miracle involved; it's based on solid physics. Too bad we don't
have a proficient mathematician/physicist here to show you the mathematics
that support the hypothesis. :-) 50+ years after studying it, I've long
since forgotten.
JMHO,
Ken H.
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Gil Slaw <gslaw700@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Balancing Beads (Part II)
>
> If you really need to try a tire additive consider this one.
>
> Let me suggest an alternative to the $20.00 a pound magic beads that
> balance the seller's bank account. That is; you might consider using
> blasting "sand" (coal slag). It is very dry and heavy so it will flow into
> the unbalance area easily, it is also very sharp so it will pack tightly
> into the small "correction nodes" so you will need less of it. The best part
> is that it only costs about $8.00 for a 50 pounds bag so you can make a
> fortune selling your excess to friends and family.
>
> I bought a lottery ticket today so please don't accuse me of not believing
> in miracles.
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wheel balancing Beads (Part II) [message #78512 is a reply to message #78503] |
Mon, 29 March 2010 21:16 |
Gil Slaw
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| Steven Ferguson wrote on Mon, 29 March 2010 20:45 |
Gil,
counteract beads are silicone impregnated to prevent clumping. They
indeed do work and I have used them for years. Back in the 60's we
used to use a TBF (tire balancing fluid) for motorcycles and you could
actually feel it start working after every stop.
If we could guarantee only nitrogen in the tires, clumping might not
occur, but it's tough to carry that big bottle on the road.
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Gil Slaw <gslaw700@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Balancing Beads (Part II)
>
> If you really need to try a tire additive consider this one.
>
> Let me suggest an alternative to the $20.00 a pound magic beads that balance the seller's bank account. That is; you might consider using blasting "sand" (coal slag). It is very dry and heavy so it will flow into the unbalance area easily, it is also very sharp so it will pack tightly into the small "correction nodes" so you will need less of it. The best part is that it only costs about $8.00 for a 50 pounds bag so you can make a fortune selling your excess to friends and family.
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> I bought a lottery ticket today so please don't accuse me of not believing in miracles.
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> Gil Slaw
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Good comment Steve,
I am old enough to remember the the add gels,fluids and the balancing disks of the 50's and 60's. Some folks added sand, or Ethylene Glycol. I am certainly aware of the subjective validation of these devices but I have NEVER had an explanation of their operating principle or a repeatable demonstration of effectiveness. "The machine does not run long enough to test them" will not do for me. It would be interesting to see a couple of tire with 30/40 k miles on them and examine the wear patterns.
Gil
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| Re: [GMCnet] Wheel balancing Beads (Part II) [message #78517 is a reply to message #78508] |
Mon, 29 March 2010 21:37 |
Gil Slaw
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| GMCWiperMan wrote on Mon, 29 March 2010 20:57 |
Gil,
I'd be concerned about the sharp edges on the sand; the insides of tires
aren't designed as wear surfaces; the silicone lubricant on Counteract, and
probably others, should help prevent any damage to the tire's lining.
There's no miracle involved; it's based on solid physics. Too bad we don't
have a proficient mathematician/physicist here to show you the mathematics
that support the hypothesis.  50+ years after studying it, I've long
since forgotten.
JMHO,
Ken H.
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Gil Slaw <gslaw700@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
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> Balancing Beads (Part II)
>
> If you really need to try a tire additive consider this one.
>
> Let me suggest an alternative to the $20.00 a pound magic beads that
> balance the seller's bank account. That is; you might consider using
> blasting "sand" (coal slag). It is very dry and heavy so it will flow into
> the unbalance area easily, it is also very sharp so it will pack tightly
> into the small "correction nodes" so you will need less of it. The best part
> is that it only costs about $8.00 for a 50 pounds bag so you can make a
> fortune selling your excess to friends and family.
>
> I bought a lottery ticket today so please don't accuse me of not believing
> in miracles.
>
>
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Ken,
Not to worry, I don't think that the sand will be moving much after a few revolutions of the tire, centripical forces should be holding the grains to the outer wall. Also the moment of inertia will be ever so slightly greater at the heavy point of unbalance so any free moving items in the tire should aggregate at that point further exacerbating the unbalance.
Remember, the old fashion way to balance a rotating element is to 1: add weight to the side opposite the heavy side or 2: remove weight from the heavy side.
Gil
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