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| [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76661] |
Sun, 14 March 2010 21:30  |
Len Novak
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I finally took the coach out and put new tires on it. The new 4 bagger that
replaces the stock air bags (not to be confused with the real four bagger
system) handles quite nicely. There is a rally in Temecula next weekend so
I'll leave off the T skirts so everyone can see the new bag setup.
It is really a nice kit, Jim K and Company did a nice job.
I'm going to take the old bags and cones, a Hammond vent and some dash light
kits with me.
On a different note...the Onan refused to start, nice spark, fuel at the
pump and carb, but none getting to the cylinders.
It ran last time I used it..famous last words.
Cheers,
Len and Pat
78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
Fallbrook, CA
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76665 is a reply to message #76661] |
Sun, 14 March 2010 21:53  |
Larry C
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The new 4 bagger that
replaces the stock air bags (not to be confused with the real four bagger system)
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Ok I'm confused.
What 4 bagger are YOU talking about?
There was the original that was ok but the metal was a bit flimsy
The upgrade was Jimb and JimK's design. I have that one.
Is there another?
LarC ( Not that I am gonna tear mine out because it works perfectly but would like to know what " the real four bagger system " Is. )
Gatsbys' CRUISER  08-18-04
74 GLACIER X, 260/455-APC-4 Bagg'r
Remflex Manifold gaskets
CampGrounds needed, Add yours to "PLACES" />
http://www.gmceast.com/travel
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76669 is a reply to message #76661] |
Sun, 14 March 2010 22:09 |
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my onan was doing the same thing, skipping stumbling and running like sheet. I took apart the carb and cleaned it, founf the fuel pump wasnt delivering the flow it needed, had like no pessure, so I installed a universal pump from autozone. that helped the fuel delivery issue, but ultimately it was the carb which was the problem. once the float and mixtures were set right she was back to hummin along...
73 Canyon Lands, (a.k.a. The Yellow Submarine) West Los Angeles CA
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76674 is a reply to message #76670] |
Sun, 14 March 2010 22:44 |
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ljdavick
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I know I've had this conversation before but I don't see the Quadrabag
as an upgrade to the 4-bag. The 4-bag, to my way of thinking, is an
update to the stock airbag, whereas the Quadrabag transforms the rear
suspension to four discrete axles.
I'm concerned that 4 discrete axles could ride a bit harsher than
original.
I love my 4-bag rear end, but I have not experienced anything else. I
also have true trackers and I feel they help too. I have no desire
to "upgrade" the rear suspension.
Larry Davick
The Mystert Machine
Ljdavick at comcast.net
On Mar 14, 2010, at 8:11 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Here is a picture of the Dual Bag System (4 bagger):
>
> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/822
>
> Here is a picture of the Quadra Bag:
>
> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/684
>
> If you want to upgrade from the Dual Bag System to the Quadra Bag
> system you
> do not have to buy new air bags as they are the same. Jim K will
> sell you
> the rest of the bits and pieces to complete the system.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry
> Sent: Monday, 15 March 2010 1:54 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan
>
> Ok I'm confused.
>
> What 4 bagger are YOU talking about?
>
> There was the original that was ok but the metal was a bit flimsy
>
> The upgrade was Jimb and JimK's design. I have that one.
>
> Is there another?
>
> LarC ( Not that I am gonna tear mine out because it works perfectly
> but
> would like to know what " the real four bagger system " Is. )
>
> --
> Gatsbys' CRUISER :d
> 74 GLACIER X, 260
> 455/APC/4 bagg'r(ver3)
> Remflex Manifold gaskets
> _______________________________________________
> Purchased 08-18-04
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1976(ish) Palm Beach
Fremont, Ca
Howell EFI + EBL + Electronic Dizzy
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76675 is a reply to message #76674] |
Sun, 14 March 2010 22:57 |
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USAussie
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Larry,
The term "upgrade" is not my term it has been used by others when the 4-bag
is compared to the Quadra bag.
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry Davick
Sent: Monday, 15 March 2010 2:45 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan
I know I've had this conversation before but I don't see the Quadrabag
as an upgrade to the 4-bag. The 4-bag, to my way of thinking, is an
update to the stock airbag, whereas the Quadrabag transforms the rear
suspension to four discrete axles.
I'm concerned that 4 discrete axles could ride a bit harsher than
original.
I love my 4-bag rear end, but I have not experienced anything else. I
also have true trackers and I feel they help too. I have no desire
to "upgrade" the rear suspension.
Larry Davick
The Mystert Machine
Ljdavick at comcast.net
On Mar 14, 2010, at 8:11 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
wrote:
> G'day,
>
> Here is a picture of the Dual Bag System (4 bagger):
>
> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/822
>
> Here is a picture of the Quadra Bag:
>
> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/684
>
> If you want to upgrade from the Dual Bag System to the Quadra Bag
> system you
> do not have to buy new air bags as they are the same. Jim K will
> sell you
> the rest of the bits and pieces to complete the system.
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry
> Sent: Monday, 15 March 2010 1:54 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan
>
> Ok I'm confused.
>
> What 4 bagger are YOU talking about?
>
> There was the original that was ok but the metal was a bit flimsy
>
> The upgrade was Jimb and JimK's design. I have that one.
>
> Is there another?
>
> LarC ( Not that I am gonna tear mine out because it works perfectly
> but
> would like to know what " the real four bagger system " Is. )
>
> --
> Gatsbys' CRUISER :d
> 74 GLACIER X, 260
> 455/APC/4 bagg'r(ver3)
> Remflex Manifold gaskets
> _______________________________________________
> Purchased 08-18-04
>
> _
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76692 is a reply to message #76661] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 06:39 |
Steven Ferguson
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The system you have was designed and the prototype developed by Charles Aulger.
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Len <B52Rule@adelphia.net> wrote:
> I finally took the coach out and put new tires on it. The new 4 bagger that
> replaces the stock air bags (not to be confused with the real four bagger
> system) handles quite nicely. There is a rally in Temecula next weekend so
> I'll leave off the T skirts so everyone can see the new bag setup.
>
> It is really a nice kit, Jim K and Company did a nice job.
>
>
>
> I'm going to take the old bags and cones, a Hammond vent and some dash light
> kits with me.
>
>
>
> On a different note...the Onan refused to start, nice spark, fuel at the
> pump and carb, but none getting to the cylinders.
>
>
>
>
>
> It ran last time I used it..famous last words.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
> Len and Pat
> 78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
> Fallbrook, CA
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
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Sierra Vista, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76693 is a reply to message #76674] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 06:42 |
Steven Ferguson
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I'd be willing to bet you lunch that if you drove a coach with the
Quadra Bag or Harrison 4 Bag system on it, you would not be able to
notice the difference in ride quality. I also would be willilng to
bet that you definitely would know the difference in handlilng. Night
and day difference! It should have been done this way from the
beginning.
On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Larry Davick <ljdavick@comcast.net> wrote:
> I know I've had this conversation before but I don't see the Quadrabag
> as an upgrade to the 4-bag. The 4-bag, to my way of thinking, is an
> update to the stock airbag, whereas the Quadrabag transforms the rear
> suspension to four discrete axles.
>
> I'm concerned that 4 discrete axles could ride a bit harsher than
> original.
>
> I love my 4-bag rear end, but I have not experienced anything else. I
> also have true trackers and I feel they help too. I have no desire
> to "upgrade" the rear suspension.
>
> Larry Davick
> The Mystert Machine
> Ljdavick at comcast.net
>
> On Mar 14, 2010, at 8:11 PM, "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
> wrote:
>
>> G'day,
>>
>> Here is a picture of the Dual Bag System (4 bagger):
>>
>> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/822
>>
>> Here is a picture of the Quadra Bag:
>>
>> http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/684
>>
>> If you want to upgrade from the Dual Bag System to the Quadra Bag
>> system you
>> do not have to buy new air bags as they are the same. Jim K will
>> sell you
>> the rest of the bits and pieces to complete the system.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Rob Mueller
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
>> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Larry
>> Sent: Monday, 15 March 2010 1:54 PM
>> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan
>>
>> Ok I'm confused.
>>
>> What 4 bagger are YOU talking about?
>>
>> There was the original that was ok but the metal was a bit flimsy
>>
>> The upgrade was Jimb and JimK's design. I have that one.
>>
>> Is there another?
>>
>> LarC ( Not that I am gonna tear mine out because it works perfectly
>> but
>> would like to know what " the real four bagger system " Is. )
>>
>> --
>> Gatsbys' CRUISER :d
>> 74 GLACIER X, 260
>> 455/APC/4 bagg'r(ver3)
>> Remflex Manifold gaskets
>> _______________________________________________
>> Purchased 08-18-04
>>
>> _
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| [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger [message #76699 is a reply to message #76693] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 08:33 |
Jim Bounds
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Because of the years I've been involved in all things 4 bags, I would have to tell you while there may not ba as much handling difference between the older 4 bagger and the new Quad Bag systems-- the Quad bag structure is a vast improvement in construction and usability. Because of this more robust construction and design perameters, the Quad bag system requires less air thus the ride will retain a smoother ride more like the original but the handling has a noticable improvement. I have never had someone tell me anything less than that after an installation.
The dual bag system is actually a lower cost "retrofit" kit which sooner or later everyone will be facted with making the decision to at least go to this program. With the original bags now gone "bye bye", the natural alternative is to install a dual bag system. It is a retrofit to currently available "off shelf" air bags. it is a feature if you are looking to seel your coach because the machine has been retrofitted for future servicability and actually the system is priced less that if you were to pony up to by to new original air bags from those sitting on the ending inventories.
The farther we get from the days of olriginal bag availability, the more accepted the dual and Quad bag options will be. I have installed a blue million of all of the models and for me I know the Quad bag system is the bomb-- hands down. There is a bit of up front expense in it but everyone who has made the plunge has been happy with their outcome.
Currently, we have com[pleted a retrofit kit design to upgrade the old 4 bagger to a more engineered better spec. retrofit based on the years of installing them and seeing their shortcomings. Jim K and I are working together on this project so those of you spoting the older 4 bagger will have a better spec option-- stay tuned for that.
Those of you sitting on the fence on rear suspension mods keep listening-- that is until you are forced to leap because of deteriorated old air bags. Don;t wait till one fails and you are on the road buying property or you have a blow out and loose body parts from the side of your coach. If you see weather checking, cracks, flaking rubber or blown up-- "hot dogged" bags, start your decision process cause it's coming.
I cannot see why anyone would stay with the old system, it was designed and built by the "lowest bidder" and today there are better and cheaper options. If you have other questions or comments, put them on this thread or you can call me direct. Hope this helps,
Jim Bounds
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| Which one? [message #76701 is a reply to message #76693] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 08:43 |
bukzin
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Steve F.
Not clear on which one you currently have.
Did you do your own install?
Thanks
Bukzin
1977 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76723 is a reply to message #76661] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 12:08 |
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Len,
Long way from Oklahoma to Temecula so I won't get to see your new 4 baggers,
but I hope you don't mind telling me something about your change over. I
can buy a nice lookin coach hear my home but both rear air bags are down.
The coach could make the 30 mile trip to my home without rear air bag
repairs. I think they are down due to slow leaks, the coach has been
sitting outside for years. I am a "newbie" trying to buy my first GMC
coach, and am new to the list, so would greatly appreciate your suggestions.
J. L. Vanlandingham
Norman, Okla.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Len " <B52Rule@Adelphia.Net>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:30 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan
>I finally took the coach out and put new tires on it. The new 4 bagger
>that
> replaces the stock air bags (not to be confused with the real four bagger
> system) handles quite nicely. There is a rally in Temecula next weekend
> so
> I'll leave off the T skirts so everyone can see the new bag setup.
>
> It is really a nice kit, Jim K and Company did a nice job.
>
>
>
> I'm going to take the old bags and cones, a Hammond vent and some dash
> light
> kits with me.
>
>
>
> On a different note...the Onan refused to start, nice spark, fuel at the
> pump and carb, but none getting to the cylinders.
>
>
>
>
>
> It ran last time I used it..famous last words.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
> Len and Pat
> 78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
> Fallbrook, CA
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76727 is a reply to message #76670] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 12:16 |
Larry C
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G'day,
Here is a picture of the Dual Bag System (4 bagger):
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/822
Here is a picture of the Quadra Bag:
http://www.appliedgmc.com/prod.itml/icOid/684
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Thanks Rob
Ok, what I am understanding is there are 3 systems out there.
FIRST
The OEM two bagger system that is becoming extinct, thanks to Firestone and economics.
SECOND
What you are calling the "4 bagger"
This looks like the original upgrade some fine GMC owner developed to get away from the old hard to find OEM bags.
Third
What you are calling the QuadraBag system is the one I have that Jim Bounds installed. I think I have the very first one and when jim took her for a ride he was a Grinning from cheek to cheek.
I beleive the differences in all three existing systems have merit, and limits.
The OEM Two bagger is obviously, historic and on the way out. With firestone stopping production of the bags will make prices SOAR and make them economically unailable.
The Four bagger looks like the one I saw on JimB's "LARRY". I think it is the one built to replace the two bagger and costs about half of the better Quadra bag. From what I saw of the metal frame of the 4 bagger, to upgrade to the Quad would need to replace the entire unit. That flexy metal of the 4 bagger is the weak point and one reason the quad was developed. I think you can keep the bags and manifold but the metal support has to be replaced.
the QUADra BAG is a nicely engineered, tough welded unit that should be the last suspension upgrade. The support metal is rugged and does not flex if one bag should lose psi. Yes I actually have seen this.
The only upgrade the quad needs is a travel limiter to prevent hitting the wheel well. Then it is nearly perfect.....ahhhhh.
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So back to the question, which is the " other one "
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So I guess " THE OTHER ONE " is the Quad system or the 4 bagger system. That clears it all up. 
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Thanks everybody,
LarC ( Enjoying the Quad system, thank you Jims )
Gatsbys' CRUISER 08-18-04
74 GLACIER X, 260/455-APC-4 Bagg'r
Remflex Manifold gaskets
CampGrounds needed, Add yours to "PLACES" />
http://www.gmceast.com/travel
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76764 is a reply to message #76723] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 18:36 |
Steven Ferguson
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You cannot drive with the air bags deflated without seriously damaging
the bags and the shock absorbers.
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:08 AM, J. Leon Van landingham
<van.one@cox.net> wrote:
> Len,
>
> Long way from Oklahoma to Temecula so I won't get to see your new 4 baggers,
> but I hope you don't mind telling me something about your change over. I
> can buy a nice lookin coach hear my home but both rear air bags are down.
> The coach could make the 30 mile trip to my home without rear air bag
> repairs. I think they are down due to slow leaks, the coach has been
> sitting outside for years. I am a "newbie" trying to buy my first GMC
> coach, and am new to the list, so would greatly appreciate your suggestions.
>
> J. L. Vanlandingham
> Norman, Okla.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Len " <B52Rule@Adelphia.Net>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:30 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan
>
>
>>I finally took the coach out and put new tires on it. The new 4 bagger
>>that
>> replaces the stock air bags (not to be confused with the real four bagger
>> system) handles quite nicely. There is a rally in Temecula next weekend
>> so
>> I'll leave off the T skirts so everyone can see the new bag setup.
>>
>> It is really a nice kit, Jim K and Company did a nice job.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm going to take the old bags and cones, a Hammond vent and some dash
>> light
>> kits with me.
>>
>>
>>
>> On a different note...the Onan refused to start, nice spark, fuel at the
>> pump and carb, but none getting to the cylinders.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It ran last time I used it..famous last words.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Len and Pat
>> 78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
>> Fallbrook, CA
>>
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>>
>> www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger [message #76780 is a reply to message #76699] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 20:56 |
Len Novak
Messages: 676
Registered: February 2004
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Since my bags were peeling I called Jim K and at that time he indicated
there was going to be a suitable replacement for the original bags at a
comparable price. I saw some drawings of the new then design and decided to
wait. My son and I installed the dual bag in about three hours over
Thanksgiving and after working out some glitches (air fitting leaks) the kit
performs quite well. This coach has always steered true probably because of
an oversize sway bar up front but I can steer it with two fingers under
almost any circumstances.
I'll have it in Temecula at the rally this weekend for those that want to
stop by and see what it looks like.
Cheers,
Len and Pat
78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
Fallbrook, CA
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
On Behalf Of Jim Bounds
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 6:34 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger
Because of the years I've been involved in all things 4 bags, I would have
to tell you while there may not ba as much handling difference between the
older 4 bagger and the new Quad Bag systems-- the Quad bag structure is a
vast improvement in construction and usability. Because of this more robust
construction and design perameters, the Quad bag system requires less air
thus the ride will retain a smoother ride more like the original but the
handling has a noticable improvement. I have never had someone tell me
anything less than that after an installation.
The dual bag system is actually a lower cost "retrofit" kit which sooner or
later everyone will be facted with making the decision to at least go to
this program. With the original bags now gone "bye bye", the natural
alternative is to install a dual bag system. It is a retrofit to currently
available "off shelf" air bags. it is a feature if you are looking to seel
your coach because the machine has been retrofitted for future servicability
and actually the system is priced less that if you were to pony up to by to
new original air bags from those sitting on the ending inventories.
The farther we get from the days of olriginal bag availability, the more
accepted the dual and Quad bag options will be. I have installed a blue
million of all of the models and for me I know the Quad bag system is the
bomb-- hands down. There is a bit of up front expense in it but everyone
who has made the plunge has been happy with their outcome.
Currently, we have com[pleted a retrofit kit design to upgrade the old 4
bagger to a more engineered better spec. retrofit based on the years of
installing them and seeing their shortcomings. Jim K and I are working
together on this project so those of you spoting the older 4 bagger will
have a better spec option-- stay tuned for that.
Those of you sitting on the fence on rear suspension mods keep listening--
that is until you are forced to leap because of deteriorated old air bags.
Don;t wait till one fails and you are on the road buying property or you
have a blow out and loose body parts from the side of your coach. If you
see weather checking, cracks, flaking rubber or blown up-- "hot dogged"
bags, start your decision process cause it's coming.
I cannot see why anyone would stay with the old system, it was designed and
built by the "lowest bidder" and today there are better and cheaper
options. If you have other questions or comments, put them on this thread
or you can call me direct. Hope this helps,
Jim Bounds
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1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76782 is a reply to message #76764] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 21:07 |
Mark Torgerson
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And on mine the rear tires rub hard against the inner wheel wells - I agree - its not a good idea to drive it with deflated air bags
________________________________
From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Mon, March 15, 2010 4:36:40 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan
You cannot drive with the air bags deflated without seriously damaging
the bags and the shock absorbers.
On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:08 AM, J. Leon Van landingham
<van.one@cox.net> wrote:
> Len,
>
> Long way from Oklahoma to Temecula so I won't get to see your new 4 baggers,
> but I hope you don't mind telling me something about your change over. I
> can buy a nice lookin coach hear my home but both rear air bags are down.
> The coach could make the 30 mile trip to my home without rear air bag
> repairs. I think they are down due to slow leaks, the coach has been
> sitting outside for years. I am a "newbie" trying to buy my first GMC
> coach, and am new to the list, so would greatly appreciate your suggestions.
>
> J. L. Vanlandingham
> Norman, Okla.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Len " <B52Rule@Adelphia.Net>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:30 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan
>
>
>>I finally took the coach out and put new tires on it. The new 4 bagger
>>that
>> replaces the stock air bags (not to be confused with the real four bagger
>> system) handles quite nicely. There is a rally in Temecula next weekend
>> so
>> I'll leave off the T skirts so everyone can see the new bag setup.
>>
>> It is really a nice kit, Jim K and Company did a nice job.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm going to take the old bags and cones, a Hammond vent and some dash
>> light
>> kits with me.
>>
>>
>>
>> On a different note...the Onan refused to start, nice spark, fuel at the
>> pump and carb, but none getting to the cylinders.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It ran last time I used it..famous last words.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Len and Pat
>> 78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
>> Fallbrook, CA
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>>
>> www.bdub.net/novak/
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76783 is a reply to message #76723] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 21:09 |
Len Novak
Messages: 676
Registered: February 2004
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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The Onan finally fired up.
I pulled off the fuel bowl, clean as can be. I also found an adjustment
screw but have no idea what it does.
I pulled off the rubber intake off the carb and put the palm of my hand to
create suction, that did it, it fired right after that. There is an
adjustment screw on the carb, again, function and setting unknown.
There was revenge, the start switch in the coach quit, but I can start it at
the generator itself.
Cheers,
Len and Pat
78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
Fallbrook, CA
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of J. Leon Van landingham
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:09 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan
Len,
Long way from Oklahoma to Temecula so I won't get to see your new 4 baggers,
but I hope you don't mind telling me something about your change over. I
can buy a nice lookin coach hear my home but both rear air bags are down.
The coach could make the 30 mile trip to my home without rear air bag
repairs. I think they are down due to slow leaks, the coach has been
sitting outside for years. I am a "newbie" trying to buy my first GMC
coach, and am new to the list, so would greatly appreciate your suggestions.
J. L. Vanlandingham
Norman, Okla.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Len " <B52Rule@Adelphia.Net>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:30 PM
Subject: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan
>I finally took the coach out and put new tires on it. The new 4 bagger
>that
> replaces the stock air bags (not to be confused with the real four bagger
> system) handles quite nicely. There is a rally in Temecula next weekend
> so
> I'll leave off the T skirts so everyone can see the new bag setup.
>
> It is really a nice kit, Jim K and Company did a nice job.
>
>
>
> I'm going to take the old bags and cones, a Hammond vent and some dash
> light
> kits with me.
>
>
>
> On a different note...the Onan refused to start, nice spark, fuel at the
> pump and carb, but none getting to the cylinders.
>
>
>
>
>
> It ran last time I used it..famous last words.
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
>
> Len and Pat
> 78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
> Fallbrook, CA
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
>
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1978 GMC Kingsley
The Beast II with dash lights that work and labels you can see!
Las Vegas, NV new email: B52sRule@Gmail.com
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
www.bdub.net/novak/
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| Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan [message #76786 is a reply to message #76783] |
Mon, 15 March 2010 22:20 |
amansfield1104
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The Onan manual states the two needle valves initial setting should be 1 and 1/4 turn. The one on the fuel bowl is the power needle valve and the upper one is the idle needle valve. I adjusted the power valve under load. You also need to check the voltage at idle and under load. The voltage should be about 128 for no load and 122 under load.
Art
76 EL
On Mar 15, 2010, at 8:09 PM, Len wrote:
> The Onan finally fired up.
>
> I pulled off the fuel bowl, clean as can be. I also found an adjustment
> screw but have no idea what it does.
>
> I pulled off the rubber intake off the carb and put the palm of my hand to
> create suction, that did it, it fired right after that. There is an
> adjustment screw on the carb, again, function and setting unknown.
>
> There was revenge, the start switch in the coach quit, but I can start it at
> the generator itself.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Len and Pat
> 78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
> Fallbrook, CA
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>
> www.bdub.net/novak/
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of J. Leon Van landingham
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 10:09 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan
>
> Len,
>
> Long way from Oklahoma to Temecula so I won't get to see your new 4 baggers,
>
> but I hope you don't mind telling me something about your change over. I
> can buy a nice lookin coach hear my home but both rear air bags are down.
> The coach could make the 30 mile trip to my home without rear air bag
> repairs. I think they are down due to slow leaks, the coach has been
> sitting outside for years. I am a "newbie" trying to buy my first GMC
> coach, and am new to the list, so would greatly appreciate your suggestions.
>
> J. L. Vanlandingham
> Norman, Okla.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Len " <B52Rule@Adelphia.Net>
> To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 9:30 PM
> Subject: [GMCnet] 2/4 bagger/new tires/onan
>
>
>> I finally took the coach out and put new tires on it. The new 4 bagger
>> that
>> replaces the stock air bags (not to be confused with the real four bagger
>> system) handles quite nicely. There is a rally in Temecula next weekend
>> so
>> I'll leave off the T skirts so everyone can see the new bag setup.
>>
>> It is really a nice kit, Jim K and Company did a nice job.
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm going to take the old bags and cones, a Hammond vent and some dash
>> light
>> kits with me.
>>
>>
>>
>> On a different note...the Onan refused to start, nice spark, fuel at the
>> pump and carb, but none getting to the cylinders.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It ran last time I used it..famous last words.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Len and Pat
>> 78 Kingsley, The Beast II with dash lights that work
>> Fallbrook, CA
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4375
>>
>> www.bdub.net/novak/
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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