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nchapekis is currently offline  nchapekis   United States
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I used to think my windshield was bad before I replaced it, but check this one out:

http://tinyurl.com/yl8pgmg


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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75174 is a reply to message #75172] Sun, 28 February 2010 13:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It is caused by the electric defrosting option that Ford came up with.
When I was with them , it as an option fo the Continentals.

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> I used to think my windshield was bad before I replaced it, but check this one out:
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> http://tinyurl.com/yl8pgmg
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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75176 is a reply to message #75174] Sun, 28 February 2010 14:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And, a question about replacing windshields due to delamination.
I noticed on my most recent Progressive policy that we now have zero deduct. on our glass. Has anyone had a windshield replaced by Progressive due to delamination. After they payed my towing bill I do not want to push my luck and ask them. My driver's side is getting pretty bad. Passenger side can make a fewmore trips.
Just curious.
Dan

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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75179 is a reply to message #75176] Sun, 28 February 2010 14:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I want Danica to place.
She is as tough as the guys.

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> And, a question about replacing windshields due to delamination.
> I noticed on my most recent Progressive policy that we now have zero deduct. on our glass. Has anyone had a windshield replaced by Progressive due to delamination. After they payed my towing bill I do not want to push my luck and ask them. My driver's side is getting pretty bad. Passenger side can make a fewmore trips.
> Just curious.
> Dan
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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75181 is a reply to message #75179] Sun, 28 February 2010 14:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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She ain't racing today. That was yesterday and she crashed.

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Re: Windshield Delamination [message #75185 is a reply to message #75172] Sun, 28 February 2010 14:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The "delamination" may not be quite what you think. The car shown is one of the Presidential limosines at the Ford Museum at Greenfield Village (certainly worth the trip if you haven't been there). I would imagine that they have a very special type of
bulletproof glass that would be built up from many layers of lanimated glass. I don't think that it would normally get that bad!

BTW, it is fun to see Danica (a local Illinois girl) mixing it up with the 'Good Ol Boys'. It will take her a while to get it, but she's pretty competative. In the meantime, go Tony Stewart!


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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75187 is a reply to message #75185] Sun, 28 February 2010 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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George, your right. I'm sure they do special ones for security.
Dan, You telling me she can't race today. She need to have 2 cars at
the track like Jimmy Johnson. That guy is really a nice person, I had
the pleasure of talking with him when he came to San Francisco at the
Headquarters of GAP. We helped stage a small soap box race for him and
an exec. from GAP at their complex.

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> The "delamination" may not be quite what you think.  The car shown is one of the Presidential limosines at the Ford Museum at Greenfield Village (certainly worth the trip if you haven't been there).  I would imagine that they have a very special type of
> bulletproof glass that would be built up from many layers of lanimated glass.  I don't think that it would normally get that bad!
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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75191 is a reply to message #75176] Sun, 28 February 2010 16:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WD0AFQ wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 15:18

I noticed on my most recent Progressive policy that we now have zero deduct. on our glass. Has anyone had a windshield replaced by Progressive due to delamination. After they payed my towing bill I do not want to push my luck and ask them.



I have heard stories where replacement was indeed covered by insurance. However delamination is NOT a covered cause of loss on a typical personal auto policy form. I would guess those that got it covered either stretched the truth regarding the nature of the damage, or came across a very generous claims adjuster. Can't hurt to ask however (I did, and they said "no").


Nick Chapekis
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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75192 is a reply to message #75172] Sun, 28 February 2010 16:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One of my favorite museums.

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Nick Chapekis wrote:

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> out:
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> http://tinyurl.com/yl8pgmg


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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75193 is a reply to message #75191] Sun, 28 February 2010 16:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There has to be a crack running through the typical field of vision to be
replaced on some policies. Or, there has to be a significant chip that could
lead to other cracking and become a safety issue. This is based on my
experience where I live. In Kentucky, $0 deductible was enacted by law a
long time ago.

Byron


Nick Chapekis wrote:

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> WD0AFQ wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 15&#58;18
>> I noticed on my most recent Progressive policy that we now have zero deduct.
>> on our glass. Has anyone had a windshield replaced by Progressive due to
>> delamination. After they payed my towing bill I do not want to push my luck
>> and ask them.
>
>
> I have heard stories where replacement was indeed covered by insurance.
> However delamination is NOT a covered cause of loss on a typical personal auto
> policy form. I would guess those that got it covered either stretched the
> truth regarding the nature of the damage, or came across a very generous
> claims adjuster. Can't hurt to ask however (I did, and they said "no").


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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75194 is a reply to message #75191] Sun, 28 February 2010 16:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Chapekis" <chapekis@gmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, February 28, 2010 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination


>
>
> WD0AFQ wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 15&#58;18
>> I noticed on my most recent Progressive policy that we now have zero
>> deduct. on our glass. Has anyone had a windshield replaced by Progressive
>> due to delamination. After they payed my towing bill I do not want to
>> push my luck and ask them.
>
>
> I have heard stories where replacement was indeed covered by insurance.
> However delamination is NOT a covered cause of loss on a typical personal
> auto policy form. I would guess those that got it covered either
> stretched the truth regarding the nature of the damage, or came across a
> very generous claims adjuster. Can't hurt to ask however (I did, and they
> said "no").
> --
> Nick Chapekis
> Ypsilanti, MI
> 78 Kingsley


My son in law has offered to swing a turkey just right to take out both
winshields on Miss Smokey, in Florida that would be covered 0 deductable.

Marsh Wilkes
Perry Fla

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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75201 is a reply to message #75176] Sun, 28 February 2010 17:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WD0AFQ wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 12:18

And, a question about replacing windshields due to delamination.
I noticed on my most recent Progressive policy that we now have zero deduct. on our glass. Has anyone had a windshield replaced by Progressive due to delamination. After they payed my towing bill I do not want to push my luck and ask them. My driver's side is getting pretty bad. Passenger side can make a fewmore trips.
Just curious.
Dan




Dan: My State Farm agent authorized a replacement glass on one of my cars due to several large stone chips. One week later I was in a violent wind storm where the wind picked up the pea gravel that is used in the west for traction control in the winter and scoured my brand new windshield with hundreds of little pits. When it would rain the dust and dirt in the pits would make a real mess of the windshield when you turned on the wipers. The glass had no chips of any size, just little pits which were almost invisible until you wanted to see in the rain.

I mentioned it to my agent, and he said "go get it replaced again, we want you to be able to see" He continued, that it was a safety item, and should be done.

So, fogging and so on might be covered as a safety issue. A good agent is always a help in this case.




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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75218 is a reply to message #75174] Sun, 28 February 2010 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jimk wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 14:57

It is caused by the electric defrosting option that Ford came up with.
When I was with them , it as an option for the Continentals.
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Jim,

I did not think I would ever get the change to advise that you were mistaken, but this is the case in this one very specific situation.

That is the presidential limo on display at the Edison Institute of The Henry Ford Museum in Dearborn. The laminated glass is all nine layers thick and it turns out that there was some problem with water content in the plastic that is between the layers of glass.

How do I know this?
We have friends (My wife was a docent there for many years). One of the vehicle curators and I were discussing this along with the problems associated with getting pieces if inch plus thick Lexan curved to shape and machined to replace just one side window.

Sorry Jim, You can't take credit for this.

Matt


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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75223 is a reply to message #75218] Sun, 28 February 2010 20:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Thanks Rob. When I get home I may stop by and see what my agent says. I don't want to push the issue after the tow.
Dan


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Re: Windshield Delamination [message #75225 is a reply to message #75172] Sun, 28 February 2010 20:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You need an unfortunate or fortunate stone from a gravel truck to hit right in your field of vision. State Farm replaced mine for that reason. Sadly the new one is starting to fog allready.

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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75230 is a reply to message #75201] Sun, 28 February 2010 21:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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idrob wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 18:46

So, fogging and so on might be covered as a safety issue. A good agent is always a help in this case.



Whether it's a safety issue or not, it's something that happens over a period of time, i.e. deterioration rather than something sudden or accidental, and therefore not a loss covered under an insurance policy. If you swung the turkey, so to speak, well that's between you and your conscience.


Nick Chapekis
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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75232 is a reply to message #75230] Sun, 28 February 2010 21:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No turkey swinging here. I am married to Teri.
Hey John, how long before you started having the problem again? I have not heard of anyone having this problem. Where did you get the glass? I don't want to buy mine there.
Dan


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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75256 is a reply to message #75176] Mon, 01 March 2010 07:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Dan,
Windshields get to a certain condition where they are no longer clear
enough for safe vehicle operation. I have needed to play this card
more than once and the insurance company paid.

On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
> And, a question about replacing windshields due to delamination.
> I noticed on my most recent Progressive policy that we now have zero deduct. on our glass. Has anyone had a windshield replaced by Progressive due to delamination. After they payed my towing bill I do not want to push my luck and ask them. My driver's side is getting pretty bad. Passenger side can make a fewmore trips.
> Just curious.
> Dan
>
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Re: [GMCnet] Windshield Delamination [message #75272 is a reply to message #75191] Mon, 01 March 2010 10:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Unless a large rock from a truck in front of you causes it to "delaminate" in a single large spot...

nchapekis wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 15:27

WD0AFQ wrote on Sun, 28 February 2010 15:18

I noticed on my most recent Progressive policy that we now have zero deduct. on our glass. Has anyone had a windshield replaced by Progressive due to delamination. After they payed my towing bill I do not want to push my luck and ask them.



I have heard stories where replacement was indeed covered by insurance. However delamination is NOT a covered cause of loss on a typical personal auto policy form. I would guess those that got it covered either stretched the truth regarding the nature of the damage, or came across a very generous claims adjuster. Can't hurt to ask however (I did, and they said "no").



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I must admit, this is the first time I have wished for a broken windshield, ha. We normally get them patched same day a rock hit them on our other vehicles. I will let this one run across if we ever take a rock.
Thanks Steve, I may check on the cloudy thing when we get home.
2 years ago I had the cash to get both replaced and our refer went out.
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