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Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73139] Sun, 07 February 2010 01:04 Go to next message
Michael Bozardt is currently offline  Michael Bozardt   United States
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Notice the price of motorhomes lately? Even the 10 year old used ones are in the $50s and up.

Why not do as Jim Bounds advocates and begin putting GMCs back on the road. Jim talks about how a $70k GMC is competitive with the new motorhomes they build now, maybe even better.

How about with rebuilt engine, Manny transmission, 3.21, 3.42 or 3.46 final drive, new appliances(not the high end ones), a full size bed in back, two chairs and a table for dining, the OEM couch that makes a bunk bed, 7 Alcoas, Frank Elkins fiberglass parts as needed, a mimimum but effective paint job, new windshields and whatever used parts that are functional and/or no longer available, using other parts from GMC vendors as appropriate and retail for $50-$60,000.

How about it JimB, Jeff Sirum, Leigh Harrison? Time to branch out? What competition is there in that price range? Heck, the little diesel Sprinter chassis Class Cs are $65-100k! JimK could do it but he does not have any room.

I think it is worthy of serious discussion and the GMC is the perfect brand because it was and is still advanced in design and construction. There are a large number of them sitting around rotting away and could be brought back to life, perhaps even better than original by using better insulation and fixing some of whatever the inherent problems were/are-like using the two air bag system per side(not the 4-bag which could be an option), 15k btu A/C; Vintage Air dash A/C, better interior materials and more.

Once a prototype is built and decisions made about final equipment and materials, and suppliers lined up, production would be straight forward. There are people around like Caspro who did the restorations and could lend valuable advice about the pit falls and good things in undertaking this enterprise.

We don't want to reproduce the GMC but to reintroduce it as a modern RV priced toward the entry level side where there is only competition from used motorhomes which are overly priced and, in many cases, not as good as the GMC.

Reliability, using the tried and true mechanical and other OEM systems plus updates where needed and modern but inexpensive furnishings is the concept.

We already have engine builders, carburetor builder, transmission builder, final drive builder, suspension builder, fiberglass parts builder, electric w/s wiper and cruise control builders, custom builders, intake manifold builder, header builder, CV joint builders, radiator builder, a Vintage Air dash A/C that has been successfully installed and more. Cinnabar produces many new parts as well.

There would only be one basic model, a 26 foot coach, and it would not change from year to year though the buyers could purchase some options like 2 vs 1 roof A/C, but only one model generator would be offered like a 5.5kw modern Onan. I would suggest only one fuel tank(saves weight) and two holding tanks(1 for grey and 1 for black water). With one fuel tank you get about, what, 200 miles and no fuel transfer switch. You can leave the grey tank hooked up and open while in the park hook up site. Of course, a macerator could be an option.

Who else thinks of this wacky stuff at 1a.m. besides me??
Thx, Michael at GEMRECS

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Re: Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73143 is a reply to message #73139] Sun, 07 February 2010 07:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Galbavy is currently offline  Jim Galbavy   United States
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Michael,

I knew you wouldn't retire gracefully. I think yours is a fine idea. I think Cinnibar's opting in would be important as that is about what they do and they have a vast supply network. Besides resurrecting GMCs that are going to dust it could put some that are out of work back on a payroll. Another thing that would be needed is a roll on truck or two or four around the country to pickup the restro candidates and get them to the different shops. We have cooperation among the needed shops and venders, the next step would just need a little closer networking.

jim galbavy
'73 X-CL (ANNIE)
Chesterfield, Va
Re: [GMCnet] Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73145 is a reply to message #73143] Sun, 07 February 2010 07:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
GMCWiperMan is currently offline  GMCWiperMan   United States
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Y'all don't forget the experience of Explorer. They did exactly what's
being proposed, at a time when there were probably a lot more components
available than today. Their resources, including funds, facilities, and
experience, were in-place. They did a great job -- but couldn't sustain it
for very long. Finding investors for such an endeavor today would probably
be VERY difficult (don't count me in).

Sad, but I think true.

JMHO,

Ken H.


On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:25 AM, Jim Galbavy <j.galbavy@att.net> wrote:

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>
> Michael,
>
> I knew you wouldn't retire gracefully. I think yours is a fine idea. I
> think Cinnibar's opting in would be important as that is about what they do
> and they have a vast supply network. Besides resurrecting GMCs that are
> going to dust it could put some that are out of work back on a payroll.
> Another thing that would be needed is a roll on truck or two or four around
> the country to pickup the restro candidates and get them to the different
> shops. We have cooperation among the needed shops and venders, the next step
> would just need a little closer networking.
>
> jim galbavy
> '73 X-CL (ANNIE)
> Chesterfield, Va
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Re: [GMCnet] Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73151 is a reply to message #73145] Sun, 07 February 2010 08:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
JimGunther is currently offline  JimGunther   United States
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I still think the GMC is the best concept going. Size - floorplan - style - sexiness - timelessness - all of it.

However, even with a ground up / frame off restoration (I had an Explorer II - 2600) you're still dealing with that Oldsmobile "weak link".

Maybe Jim Bounds' Dura Max (or some other modern engineered heavy duty FWD horse) is the only way to go. Somebody who has the finacial resources (maybe $125k - $150k is more realistic) to afford a "re-born" GMC doesn't neccesarily have the sense-of-adventure required by the Olds motor and drive-systems.

Take away the "issues" created by Oldsmobile components and you have a near perfect bullet-proof motorhome.

Unless and until someone is able to spend big-bucks - the trade-off is the great "spirit-of-adventure".





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Re: Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73153 is a reply to message #73139] Sun, 07 February 2010 08:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
RF_Burns is currently offline  RF_Burns   Canada
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What was the Wheat Motor Corp re-incarnation of the GMC going to use for a FWD drivetrain? They must have had something in mind for that.

I recall not that long ago all the tooling for the body of the GMC was for sale on Ebay.. wonder what happened to all that?


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Re: Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73155 is a reply to message #73139] Sun, 07 February 2010 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Larry C   United States
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Who else thinks of this wacky stuff at 1a.m. besides me??
Thx, Michael at GEMRECS
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My opinion of the current economic situation is there won't be that kind of money out there any time soon.

According to the government, jobs are plenty, plenty of McDonalds, Plenty of BurgerKing, Plenty of car parkers.

No jobs that pay an amount that would be similar to the past will be here.

The system is making an adjustment right now, it was a long time coming.

If you are thinking the GMC molds, I am told they are done, rusting away.

Even GM could not keep production going and claim they never made money on the GMC MH.

I have never agreed with JimB's projection of $100k + values on the GMC motorhomes because you never see them sold. Even the ones that are rebuilt with a loan are up for sale 5 years after the coach is done.

I do not beleive the economic system of the past will be anything like what we will be experiencing in the upcoming future, ie, there won't be much spare cash for luxuries like new motorhomes.

I am told I have the attitude that the cup is half empty, but I am a realist, I watch what is going on, I tend to project in my own terms and try to exist with reality.

Your dream is wonderful, and we all have that attitude that we can do anything. That worked in the past when things were looser, money available and people willing to spend.

The economics of creating such a wonderful vehicle brings thoughts of The Tucker, though it died under different circumstances. But all the ideas were too new for the times and things had to be substitued making a lesser vehicle.

Today you have air pollution controls, computers, high fuel costs with possible alternate power supplies being mandated in the future.

And you need to design, create, build and market all this to an economy that may never come back.....

The only upside I can see is if you make the parts interchangeable with the GMC Motorhome, where we can help support you by buying parts to keep our girls going.

Good luck to you on this venture if you dare persue it.

We all will be watching.

LarC ( Thinking a new parts source for our GMC's would be fantastic to the "club")




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Re: Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73166 is a reply to message #73139] Sun, 07 February 2010 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chr$ is currently offline  Chr$   United States
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Hmmm...

Maybe these guys would be interested:

http://www.delorean.com/

You can get a new-ish DMC for about $40K.

All issues aside, I agree that the 1970's powertrain is the weak link.

It would have to be a refurbished body with all new interior on a new chassis, like the Duramax or something similar.

$100K is about what it would have to retail for to make it worth someone's while.


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Re: Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73172 is a reply to message #73166] Sun, 07 February 2010 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Galbavy is currently offline  Jim Galbavy   United States
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Chris,

I don't see the Olds drive train as a weakness. The frontwheel drive gives you a one step up door entry. We have an option of 455, 403 and even a Caddy 500 ci big block. You also have the options of a multitude of final drive ratios and even a limited slip diff. A decent coach can be had for $5,000. Add new engine, trans., brakes and lines, fuel system and generator for under $25,000. .... and for $30K to $35k you have a coach that will get you anywhere and back. With a Duramax you only have an drive train and frame for about $65K that you still have to spend bucks to modify and then find a body and generator. The idea is that for under $55K and some fore thought you can have one nice entry level priced motorhome that can not be had with today's new manufacturers. Face it a Class B starts out at $85K and gives you less than what you would get in a GMCMH for that same budget.

jim galbavy
'73 X-CL (ANNIE)
Chesterfield, Va

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Re: [GMCnet] Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73173 is a reply to message #73139] Sun, 07 February 2010 14:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Michael,

I did a bit of research and it appears that you are correct and the RV
industry is rebounding a bit. Sales are up.

Unfortunately IMHO the costs to start up a company to build, market, and
service an updated GMC from scratch would be astronomical.

If one wanted to keep the front wheel drive feature the biggest stumbling
block would be the power train (especially the transmission / final drive).
AFAIK there isn't any FWD engine / trans / final drive combination out there
that would have enough power for a 26' GMC.

Then there's all the DOT and EPA regulations you'd have to comply with to
certify the vehicle.

As far as noting that a restored $70K GMC is competitive with the new
motorhomes is concerned the question that should be asked is has anybody
SOLD one for $70K? I went to the Cinnabar website and copied the ads for the
following three coaches, check back from time to time to see if/when they
sell:

GMC Motorhome Sales
1978 Birchaven 23-foot, Rear Bath. To Be Completely Renovated And
Mechanically Renewed At Cinnabar Engineering, Inc. 69,000 Original Miles.
One Owner California Coach. Pick Your Colors, Carpet, Fabrics, Appliances
And Electronics. Eighteen-month Unlimited Mileage Warranty. $65,000 Base
Price. Call 231-946-8847 For More Information.

1977 Kingsley 26-foot, Dry Bath. Completely Renovated And Mechanically
Renewed. 69,441 Original Miles. 455-cid Engine. Rear Twin-Bed Model. In
Process At Cinnabar Engineering, Inc. Mechanical renewal is almost complete.
Pick Your Colors, Carpet, Fabrics, Appliances And Electronics.
Eighteen-month Unlimited Mileage Warranty. $65,000 Base Price. Call
231-946-8847 For More Information.

1977 Palm Beach 26-foot, Side Bath. Solid Cherry And Leather Interior.
46,366 Original Miles. 455-cid Engine. One Owner California Coach. In
Process At Cinnabar Engineering, Inc. Solid Cherry Cabinetry. Leather Pilot
And Copilot Seats And Dashboard. Solid Surface Surell Countertops. Pick Your
Colors, Fabrics, Appliances And Electronics. Eighteen-month Unlimited
Mileage Warranty. $85,000 Base Price. Call 231-946-8847 For More
Information.

Let's face it we're all in love with the GMC and we look at them through
rose colored glasses.

Michael, you're not wacky at all; I reckon your glasses are just a bit
rosier than some! ;-)

All the best!

Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426

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Re: [GMCnet] Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73174 is a reply to message #73166] Sun, 07 February 2010 14:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
USAussie is currently offline  USAussie   United States
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Chris,

Last time I spoke to Jim B about the two Duramax coaches he noted that the
'26 footer cost was over $200K! Granted it has a lot of "extras" but I doubt
if you could build one and sell it for $100 and make any money.

Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426


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Hmmm...

Maybe these guys would be interested:

http://www.delorean.com/

You can get a new-ish DMC for about $40K.

All issues aside, I agree that the 1970's powertrain is the weak link.

It would have to be a refurbished body with all new interior on a new
chassis, like the Duramax or something similar.

$100K is about what it would have to retail for to make it worth someone's
while.
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Re: [GMCnet] Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73184 is a reply to message #73166] Sun, 07 February 2010 15:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Michael;

Great idea. Even though Explorer ran with it in the 90's, it still
might be a good idea now. We might need to stop thinking about old big
cubic inch V8 engines, and start thinking about new big cubic inch 4
cylinder engines with alternative fuels (not solar or wind but you can
guess what I'm talking about)) that can get us 18-20mpg with lots of
torque. I get 8mpg towing. I was in a Flying-J, and an Alpha See Ya
(40' diesel pusher) pulled in next to me. I asked his MPG, and he said
8. I'd sure like to have his space since we're getting the same
mileage. So, I like the stretch, and it would be great if someone
would freshen it up for me and add a different powerplant, but this
4-month trip I've been on has been an eye opener in regards to mileage
and power...

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Re: [GMCnet] Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73185 is a reply to message #73155] Sun, 07 February 2010 15:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You may be right that "high" volume pricey gmc motorhomes have no
market but in smaller quantities this might work.

Rolls Royce stayed in business for a lot of years selling crappy cars
to well heeled clients.

It's in how you market and promote the thing. Get a high-zoot coach
prominently displayed at halftime today and you could sell 50 by the
end of the year.

Not a lot of volume.

Larry Davick
Ljdavick at comcast.net

On Feb 7, 2010, at 7:54 AM, Larry <slawrence111@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Who else thinks of this wacky stuff at 1a.m. besides me??
> Thx, Michael at GEMRECS
> ___________________________________________________________
>
>
> My opinion of the current economic situation is there won't be that
> kind of money out there any time soon.
>
> According to the government, jobs are plenty, plenty of McDonalds,
> Plenty of BurgerKing, Plenty of car parkers.
>
> No jobs that pay an amount that would be similar to the past will be
> here.
>
> The system is making an adjustment right now, it was a long time
> coming.
>
> If you are thinking the GMC molds, I am told they are done, rusting
> away.
>
> Even GM could not keep production going and claim they never made
> money on the GMC MH.
>
> I have never agreed with JimB's projection of $100k + values on the
> GMC motorhomes because you never see them sold. Even the ones that
> are rebuilt with a loan are up for sale 5 years after the coach is
> done.
>
> I do not beleive the economic system of the past will be anything
> like what we will be experiencing in the upcoming future, ie, there
> won't be much spare cash for luxuries like new motorhomes.
>
> I am told I have the attitude that the cup is half empty, but I am a
> realist, I watch what is going on, I tend to project in my own terms
> and try to exist with reality.
>
> Your dream is wonderful, and we all have that attitude that we can
> do anything. That worked in the past when things were looser, money
> available and people willing to spend.
>
> The economics of creating such a wonderful vehicle brings thoughts
> of The Tucker, though it died under different circumstances. But
> all the ideas were too new for the times and things had to be
> substitued making a lesser vehicle.
>
> Today you have air pollution controls, computers, high fuel costs
> with possible alternate power supplies being mandated in the future.
>
> And you need to design, create, build and market all this to an
> economy that may never come back.....
>
> The only upside I can see is if you make the parts interchangeable
> with the GMC Motorhome, where we can help support you by buying
> parts to keep our girls going.
>
> Good luck to you on this venture if you dare persue it.
>
> We all will be watching.
>
> LarC ( Thinking a new parts source for our GMC's would be fantastic
> to the "club")
>
>
>
> --
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> 74 GLACIER X, 260
> 455/APC/4 bagg'r(ver3)
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Re: [GMCnet] Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73186 is a reply to message #73174] Sun, 07 February 2010 15:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I don't think you guys, the ones that think there is a market for rebuilt GMC's, realise how much os a cult these coaches are.

I have one with a completely redone interior. All oak, very nice. But any RVer out there not in the GMC cult, looks at it like a a 57 Chevy. looks nice, but they would never buy one.

If you could rebuild everything, use a modern fuel injected engine, offer a warranty. People would say pretty cool, but no slideouts? Where is the storage? How old is it???


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Re: [GMCnet] Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73187 is a reply to message #73173] Sun, 07 February 2010 15:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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just cashed out Country Coach this week in Oregon,

sold everything at a auction, 600,000 coaches for 200k to 300k

real sad all of those jobs lost and no more warranty for those huge
coaches,

too late for those folks who were orphaned.

gene



> I did a bit of research and it appears that you are correct and the RV
> industry is rebounding a bit. Sales are up.
>
> --
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On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Mr.erf ERFisher <mr.erfisher@gmail.com>wrote:

>
> just cashed out Country Coach this week in Oregon,
>
> sold everything at a auction, $600,000 coaches for $200k to $300k
>
> real sad all of those jobs lost and no more warranty for those huge
> coaches,
>
> too late for those folks who were orphaned.
>
> gene
>
>
>
>
>> I did a bit of research and it appears that you are correct and the RV
>> industry is rebounding a bit. Sales are up.
>>
>> --
> Gene Fisher -- 74-23,77PB/ore/ca
> “Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today --- give him a URL and
> -------
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/
> Alternator Protection Cable
> http://gmcmotorhome.info/APC.html
>



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Re: Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73190 is a reply to message #73139] Sun, 07 February 2010 15:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chr$ is currently offline  Chr$   United States
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The point I tried to make is that today's Computer controlled, fuel injected, distributor-less ignition cars and trucks are so reliable, that you never give them a second thought as you turn the key and drive away. Any new/refurb sold today would have to have that going for it, and Frankly, our carbureted, 1970s' HEI sparked engines don't. The closest you would come is a NOS crate motor and Carb. I would say that Manny's tranny's do, but they have no Overdrive, but then again, you may not want OD anyway. After all, owners manuals say don't tow in OD.

It's hard to believe the Dmax Chassis is so spendy. I figured $40K-ish, but then there isn't much volume there. Jim did a lot of body work and extras there too.

The next best thing to that is a GM HD pickup chassis with only the Front drive used forward of the transfer case only. Sort of what Revcon did after 1978. There was supposedly someone here doing that...


-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ

77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
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Re: Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73192 is a reply to message #73190] Sun, 07 February 2010 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Galbavy is currently offline  Jim Galbavy   United States
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Chris,

One of the things that I like to do, now that I'm retired, is (when my honey do list is up to date) sit down at Mike's eating donuts and drinking coffee while watching those computer driven drive by wire cars come in to find out what is wrong with them. Deep pocket stuff, especially when they have to replace that computer. I just thank God that ANNIE has no computer or chips . Love that old school.

jim galbavy
'73 X-CL (ANNIE)
Chesterfield, Va
Re: [GMCnet] Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73193 is a reply to message #73190] Sun, 07 February 2010 15:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Chris,

Late this summer I hope to replace the carb with TBI and electronic
spark controll. Some have done this with great success.

Certainly improvements have been made to the mill - roller cam
assemblies, improved tollerances, and so on, but I think the biggest
bang for the buck will come from the electronics.

Improvement enough for a new buyer?Maybe...

Improvement enough for me- youbetcha!
Ljdavick at comcast.net

On Feb 7, 2010, at 1:26 PM, Chris Choffat <cchoffataz@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> The point I tried to make is that today's Computer controlled, fuel
> injected, distributor-less ignition cars and trucks are so reliable,
> that you never give them a second thought as you turn the key and
> drive away. Any new/refurb sold today would have to have that going
> for it, and Frankly, our carbureted, 1970s' HEI sparked engines
> don't. The closest you would come is a NOS crate motor and Carb. I
> would say that Manny's tranny's do, but they have no Overdrive, but
> then again, you may not want OD anyway. After all, owners manuals
> say don't tow in OD.
>
> It's hard to believe the Dmax Chassis is so spendy. I figured $40K-
> ish, but then there isn't much volume there. Jim did a lot of body
> work and extras there too.
>
> The next best thing to that is a GM HD pickup chassis with only the
> Front drive used forward of the transfer case only. Sort of what
> Revcon did after 1978. There was supposedly someone here doing
> that...
> --
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> 77 Ex-Kingsley 455, Power Drive, 3:21 FD U S S Kobiashi Maru: The
> Engineer's Motorhome
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space [message #73194 is a reply to message #73186] Sun, 07 February 2010 15:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Keith V wrote on Sun, 07 February 2010 13:17

I don't think you guys, the ones that think there is a market for rebuilt GMC's, realise how much os a cult these coaches are.

I have one with a completely redone interior. All oak, very nice. But any RVer out there not in the GMC cult, looks at it like a a 57 Chevy. looks nice, but they would never buy one.

If you could rebuild everything, use a modern fuel injected engine, offer a warranty. People would say pretty cool, but no slideouts? Where is the storage? How old is it???



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Keith,

I think you hit on a important point.

The amount of storage/lounging space in a coach
is a top factor with many folks.

The modern RV's my wife has seen make her wish for more.


After being in real estate for 25 years I've finally
come to know that its the woman that makes the housing
choices.

She likes the GMC for weekends but after retirement,
for long trips, it will be a larger coach for her.



Bukzin
1977 Palm Beach
Re: [GMCnet] Resto GMC? Perhaps it is time [message #73197 is a reply to message #73153] Sun, 07 February 2010 16:03 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Bruce,

I called Wheat back when this was going on. Asked what engine
they were going to use? They told me it would be a
460 Ford. Said they couldn't manage the heat in a 454 Chevy.
When I asked about the driveline, they told me that GM
was going to make a special run of Turbo-425 trannys for them. I
knew that was BS, as they wouldn't even do that for
GMC Truck. That meant junkyard stuff. That's when I lost faith
in their ever producing anything.

Gary Kosier
77EII & 77PB
Newark, Ohio

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>
>
> What was the Wheat Motor Corp re-incarnation of the GMC going
> to use for a FWD drivetrain? They must have had something in
> mind for that.
>
> I recall not that long ago all the tooling for the body of the
> GMC was for sale on Ebay.. wonder what happened to all that?
> --
> Bruce Hislop,
> S. Ontario Canada
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