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USAussie
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G'day,
I am confused as to how the GMCnet and GMC Forum interface.
I am signed up on both but I use the GMCnet.
I have noticed that when I send in a new message I get a copy back. Normally
when I send in a response I get a copy back.
HOWEVER, sometimes when I respond to a query I DO NOT get a copy back.
I assume that is because the message to which I'm responding originated on
the Forum.
At any rate I would appreciate it if Patrick, Gene, or Bdub could explain
how the interface works.
Thanks,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #72974 is a reply to message #72964] |
Fri, 05 February 2010 18:39  |
Ken Burton
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| Robert Mueller wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 17:47 |
G'day,
I am confused as to how the GMCnet and GMC Forum interface.
I am signed up on both but I use the GMCnet.
I have noticed that when I send in a new message I get a copy back. Normally
when I send in a response I get a copy back.
HOWEVER, sometimes when I respond to a query I DO NOT get a copy back.
I assume that is because the message to which I'm responding originated on
the Forum.
At any rate I would appreciate it if Patrick, Gene, or Bdub could explain
how the interface works.
Thanks,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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The mail list server is really a simple device. I receives emails from subscribers, checks to see if the email is from a valid user, and then sends the email out to all subscribers in it's list that say they want to receive emails. That's basically it. It is done.
The web based forum is a little more intelligent.
The forum receives emails only for the GMCnet email server, formats them into threads for us (the users) to see on demand on line. IF never forwards these since this not an email system it is a web based system.
The second thing it does is to take our web based postings, format them, and send them to the GMCnet email server on our behalf.
The forum does not distribute emails of postings to individual users. If you are missing email deliver of postings then that is an issue between you and the email server.
Clear as mud - right?
I meant to send you a picture of one of our local traffic circles. I'll have to remember to go find it. People actually go around it in a counter clock wise (correct) direction.
Ken B.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73049 is a reply to message #72974] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 11:20 |
Terry Skinner
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And here in lies the problem. Someone posts a question to the forum,
ten or fifteen people post replies to that question and only two or
three are dual citizens belonging to both the forum and the GMCnet. We
here on the net only see the two or three. We complain because we
didn't see the original question, the forum people tell us to get with
the times and start using the forum. What I think we should do is
split the two apart. Those that want to use the forum can and those
that prefer the net can use it, and those that want both can subscribe
to both individually. It is either that or require that forum people
also subscribe to the net. Not request but require. If you want the
benefits of the people and knowledge avalable here on the GMCnet than
you need to give something back. JMHO..........Terry
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Robert Mueller wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 17:47
>> G'day,
>>
>> I am confused as to how the GMCnet and GMC Forum interface.
>>
>> I am signed up on both but I use the GMCnet.
>>
>> I have noticed that when I send in a new message I get a copy back. Normally
>> when I send in a response I get a copy back.
>>
>> HOWEVER, sometimes when I respond to a query I DO NOT get a copy back.
>>
>> I assume that is because the message to which I'm responding originated on
>> the Forum.
>>
>> At any rate I would appreciate it if Patrick, Gene, or Bdub could explain
>> how the interface works.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Rob Mueller
>> Sydney, Australia
>> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
>> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> The mail list server is really a simple device. I receives emails from subscribers, checks to see if the email is from a valid user, and then sends the email out to all subscribers in it's list that say they want to receive emails. That's basically it. It is done.
>
> The web based forum is a little more intelligent.
>
> The forum receives emails only for the GMCnet email server, formats them into threads for us (the users) to see on demand on line. IF never forwards these since this not an email system it is a web based system.
>
> The second thing it does is to take our web based postings, format them, and send them to the GMCnet email server on our behalf.
>
> The forum does not distribute emails of postings to individual users. If you are missing email deliver of postings then that is an issue between you and the email server.
>
> Clear as mud - right?
>
> I meant to send you a picture of one of our local traffic circles. I'll have to remember to go find it. People actually go around it in a counter clock wise (correct) direction.
>
> Ken B.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73052 is a reply to message #73049] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 11:43 |
Bill Massey
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All are members of both lists. Whenever Patrick or I see a bounce from a
legitimate phorum member, we manually add them to the email list and mark
them as "NO MAIL". That way they won't be bothered by loads of email but
both lists will see their posts.
As Ken mentioned, we all have day jobs. So, it might not be as prompt as
we'd like, but generally is within hours or minutes after the post.
Glad ya'll handled the situation mostly calmly yesterday. If I hadn't had
to go to work right at that minute, it wouldn't have gotten as far as it
did.
I think for the most part the dual systems are working in harmony.
Bdub
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From: On Behalf Of Terry Skinner
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:21 AM
And here in lies the problem. Someone posts a question to the forum,
ten or fifteen people post replies to that question and only two or
three are dual citizens belonging to both the forum and the GMCnet. We
here on the net only see the two or three. We complain because we
didn't see the original question, the forum people tell us to get with
the times and start using the forum. What I think we should do is
split the two apart. Those that want to use the forum can and those
that prefer the net can use it, and those that want both can subscribe
to both individually. It is either that or require that forum people
also subscribe to the net. Not request but require. If you want the
benefits of the people and knowledge avalable here on the GMCnet than
you need to give something back. JMHO..........Terry
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Robert Mueller wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 17:47
>> G'day,
>>
>> I am confused as to how the GMCnet and GMC Forum interface.
>>
>> I am signed up on both but I use the GMCnet.
>>
>> I have noticed that when I send in a new message I get a copy back.
Normally
>> when I send in a response I get a copy back.
>>
>> HOWEVER, sometimes when I respond to a query I DO NOT get a copy back.
>>
>> I assume that is because the message to which I'm responding originated
on
>> the Forum.
>>
>> At any rate I would appreciate it if Patrick, Gene, or Bdub could explain
>> how the interface works.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73055 is a reply to message #73049] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 11:59 |
jayrabe
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Lots of information, still lots of confusion. Do I understand correctly that the forum is the webpage and the net is the mailing list? But when I go to the birdfeeder portal webpage and click on "GMCnet forum," I go to a page where I click on "GMCnet" which is sub-titled "Mirror of the GMC mailing list." So where am I?
This email came to me from gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org. Is that the "net"? Does the "forum" send out emails of postings that are entered via the webpage?
Why are there two entities? Why would someone belong to one vs. the other? Regarding Rob's suggestion to split the two apart, first I don't understand what he means by that, since other description seems to say they're already separate. But second, if the purpose of all this is to maximize communication and information sharing, why would anyone want two separate things?
J "confused and bewildered" Rabe
76 Palm Beach
Portland, OR
> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 09:20:46 -0800
> From: gmcnut@gmail.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface
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> And here in lies the problem. Someone posts a question to the forum,
> ten or fifteen people post replies to that question and only two or
> three are dual citizens belonging to both the forum and the GMCnet. We
> here on the net only see the two or three. We complain because we
> didn't see the original question, the forum people tell us to get with
> the times and start using the forum. What I think we should do is
> split the two apart. Those that want to use the forum can and those
> that prefer the net can use it, and those that want both can subscribe
> to both individually. It is either that or require that forum people
> also subscribe to the net. Not request but require. If you want the
> benefits of the people and knowledge avalable here on the GMCnet than
> you need to give something back. JMHO..........Terry
>
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Ken Burton <n9cv@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Robert Mueller wrote on Fri, 05 February 2010 17:47
> >> G'day,
> >>
> >> I am confused as to how the GMCnet and GMC Forum interface.
> >>
> >> I am signed up on both but I use the GMCnet.
> >>
> >> I have noticed that when I send in a new message I get a copy back. Normally
> >> when I send in a response I get a copy back.
> >>
> >> HOWEVER, sometimes when I respond to a query I DO NOT get a copy back.
> >>
> >> I assume that is because the message to which I'm responding originated on
> >> the Forum.
> >>
> >> At any rate I would appreciate it if Patrick, Gene, or Bdub could explain
> >> how the interface works.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Rob Mueller
> >> Sydney, Australia
> >> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> >> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> >
> >
> > The mail list server is really a simple device. I receives emails from subscribers, checks to see if the email is from a valid user, and then sends the email out to all subscribers in it's list that say they want to receive emails. That's basically it. It is done.
> >
> > The web based forum is a little more intelligent.
> >
> > The forum receives emails only for the GMCnet email server, formats them into threads for us (the users) to see on demand on line. IF never forwards these since this not an email system it is a web based system.
> >
> > The second thing it does is to take our web based postings, format them, and send them to the GMCnet email server on our behalf.
> >
> > The forum does not distribute emails of postings to individual users. If you are missing email deliver of postings then that is an issue between you and the email server.
> >
> > Clear as mud - right?
> >
> > I meant to send you a picture of one of our local traffic circles. I'll have to remember to go find it. People actually go around it in a counter clock wise (correct) direction.
> >
> > Ken B.
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> > Ken Burton - N9KB
> > 76 Palm Beach
> > Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73063 is a reply to message #73055] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 14:00 |
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-----Original Message-----
From: On Behalf Of Jay Rabe
Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:59 AM
Lots of information, still lots of confusion. Do I understand correctly that
the forum is the webpage and the net is the mailing list?
Reply: Yes
But when I go to the birdfeeder portal webpage and click on "GMCnet forum,"
I go to a page where I click on "GMCnet" which is sub-titled "Mirror of the
GMC mailing list." So where am I?
Reply: On the GMCnet mirror, which is web forum software rather than "pop /
smtp" email.
This email came to me from gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org. Is that the "net"?
Reply: Yes
Does the "forum" send out emails of postings that are entered via the
webpage?
Reply: No
Why are there two entities?
Reply: Because some folks could not handle the amount of traffic the email
list generated. The web forum has many features that are impossible for an
email list to replicate.
Why would someone belong to one vs. the other?
Reply: No one belongs to only one IF they ever post. Lurkers might be only
because the email list is unaware that they're lurking.
Regarding Rob's suggestion to split the two apart, first I don't understand
what he means by that, since other description seems to say they're already
separate. But second, if the purpose of all this is to maximize
communication and information sharing, why would anyone want two separate
things?
Reply: That one confuses me also
Hang in there, J. It'll all come out in the wash.
Hope this helps
Bdub
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73066 is a reply to message #73063] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 14:15 |
jayrabe
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Thanks Bdub,
For me, it may be irrelevant since I have posted to the forum, and I've replied to emails I get from the net, so apparently I'm on both lists and will get anything that comes across either. Is that right?
The only remaining significant confusion is your answer that entries to the forum don't get sent out as emails. But I seem to get emails of my own posts to the forum. Is that because I'm going through the mirror? How would one go to the forum as opposed to the mirror? And if someone posted directly to the forum, wherever that is as opposed to the birdfeeder/mirror, will I get an email of it?
Thanks for all your help, and all your hours of maintaining these things.
J "seeing a glimmer of understanding through the fog" Rabe
76 Palm Beach
Portland, OR
> From: bdub@pgrb.com
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:00:32 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: On Behalf Of Jay Rabe
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:59 AM
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> Lots of information, still lots of confusion. Do I understand correctly that
> the forum is the webpage and the net is the mailing list?
>
> Reply: Yes
>
> But when I go to the birdfeeder portal webpage and click on "GMCnet forum,"
> I go to a page where I click on "GMCnet" which is sub-titled "Mirror of the
> GMC mailing list." So where am I?
>
> Reply: On the GMCnet mirror, which is web forum software rather than "pop /
> smtp" email.
>
> This email came to me from gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org. Is that the "net"?
>
> Reply: Yes
>
> Does the "forum" send out emails of postings that are entered via the
> webpage?
>
> Reply: No
>
> Why are there two entities?
>
> Reply: Because some folks could not handle the amount of traffic the email
> list generated. The web forum has many features that are impossible for an
> email list to replicate.
>
> Why would someone belong to one vs. the other?
>
> Reply: No one belongs to only one IF they ever post. Lurkers might be only
> because the email list is unaware that they're lurking.
>
> Regarding Rob's suggestion to split the two apart, first I don't understand
> what he means by that, since other description seems to say they're already
> separate. But second, if the purpose of all this is to maximize
> communication and information sharing, why would anyone want two separate
> things?
>
> Reply: That one confuses me also
>
> Hang in there, J. It'll all come out in the wash.
>
> Hope this helps
> Bdub
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73074 is a reply to message #73066] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 16:16 |
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| jayrabe wrote on Sat, 06 February 2010 14:15 |
Thanks Bdub,
For me, it may be irrelevant since I have posted to the forum, and I've replied to emails I get from the net, so apparently I'm on both lists and will get anything that comes across either. Is that right?
The only remaining significant confusion is your answer that entries to the forum don't get sent out as emails. But I seem to get emails of my own posts to the forum. Is that because I'm going through the mirror? How would one go to the forum as opposed to the mirror? And if someone posted directly to the forum, wherever that is as opposed to the birdfeeder/mirror, will I get an email of it?
Thanks for all your help, and all your hours of maintaining these things.
J "seeing a glimmer of understanding through the fog" Rabe
76 Palm Beach
Portland, OR
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Wow, There is still lots of confusion here.
The GMCnet forum and mirror are the same thing. The words are used interchangeably and sometimes together "forum mirror".
The mail list and Forum are two separate systems that trade postings. If one goes down the other still runs. The information traded back and forth so you see exactly the same information on both. It makes no difference where you read or post, all members of both will see your posting.
If you receive any email posting it came from the mail list. If you sent an email to post, it went to the mail list. If you read or post using a web page ( gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum ) then you are using the forum mirror.
All users on the mail list are automatically registered on the forum when they make their first posting.
All users on the forum are manually registered by bdub or Patrick for the email list when they make their first posting.
The end result is everyone is registered for both. Which one you use is up to you.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73080 is a reply to message #73063] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 16:34 |
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As I've mentioned before, I've learned to like GMail for its automatic
threading of messages, infinite memory, very fast search, excellent labeling
feature, spam and custom filters, and other features.
The only feature that really impressed me when trying the Forum was the
threading (which itself seemed somewhat clumsy), and the availability
through any internet connection. GMail's threading is, to me, much better.
GMail now has a off-line feature so that one can download mail for later
perusal, one of the most-liked features of the original GMCNet mailing list.
So, for those who like the mailing list, but want threading, I highly
recommend GMail, which gives me the best of both worlds, IMHO. And, No, I
haven't experienced any of the horror tales some proclaim about GMail -- in
fact it does the best Spam filtering I've seen.
JMHO,
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73083 is a reply to message #73074] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 16:47 |
jayrabe
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OK, I hope I've got it. Apologies for mental density. Thanks for everyone's patience for an issue that's really just my need to understand since I'm on both and get emails regardless of where they originate.
Final shot: So posts to the forum get copied to the mail list and sent out as emails to those registered, but strictly speaking the forum doesn't send emails directly. Hope that's it. There are more interesting things to talk about.
:-)
J
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: n9cv@comcast.net
> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 16:16:34 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface
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>
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> jayrabe wrote on Sat, 06 February 2010 14:15
> > Thanks Bdub,
> >
> > For me, it may be irrelevant since I have posted to the forum, and I've replied to emails I get from the net, so apparently I'm on both lists and will get anything that comes across either. Is that right?
> >
> > The only remaining significant confusion is your answer that entries to the forum don't get sent out as emails. But I seem to get emails of my own posts to the forum. Is that because I'm going through the mirror? How would one go to the forum as opposed to the mirror? And if someone posted directly to the forum, wherever that is as opposed to the birdfeeder/mirror, will I get an email of it?
> >
> > Thanks for all your help, and all your hours of maintaining these things.
> >
> > J "seeing a glimmer of understanding through the fog" Rabe
> > 76 Palm Beach
> > Portland, OR
>
>
> Wow, There is still lots of confusion here.
>
> The GMCnet forum and mirror are the same thing. The words are used interchangeably and sometimes together "forum mirror".
>
> The mail list and Forum are two separate systems that trade postings. If one goes down the other still runs. The information traded back and forth so you see exactly the same information on both. It makes no difference where you read or post, all members of both will see your posting.
>
> If you receive any email posting it came from the mail list. If you sent an email to post, it went to the mail list. If you read or post using a web page ( gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum ) then you are using the forum mirror.
>
> All users on the mail list are automatically registered on the forum when they make their first posting.
>
> All users on the forum are manually registered by bdub or Patrick for the email list when they make their first posting.
>
> The end result is everyone is registered for both. Which one you use is up to you.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73090 is a reply to message #73063] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 17:41 |
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Billy,
For clarification NOT BLAME! It was Terry that suggested splitting the two.
I use the email (gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org) system exclusively. I do not use
the Forum at all, however, I am registered - Robert Mueller.
I note that when I send in an email I get a copy back with [GMCnet] inserted
at the beginning of the Subject: line. I also note that it is duplicated on
the GMC net mirror:
http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=thread&frm_id=1&rid=0
The thing I am not clear on is that when I respond to a message I receive
through the GMCnet sometimes I DO NOT get a copy back. Yet when I check the
GMC net mirror and it is there.
Ken B has noted:
The forum does not distribute emails of postings to individual users. If
you are missing email deliver of postings then that is an issue between you
and the email server.
I take that to mean that if the email I respond to originated on the
GMCforum users there will see it but I will not get a copy back and it will
not go to the GMCnet users.
I apologize about not understanding this and for the time you're spending to
have to get it through my thick skull! It's like Ken H and the torsion bar
thing! ;-)
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Billy Massey
Sent: Sunday, 7 February 2010 7:01 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface
Regarding Rob's suggestion to split the two apart, first I don't understand
what he means by that, since other description seems to say they're already
separate. But second, if the purpose of all this is to maximize
communication and information sharing, why would anyone want two separate
things?
Reply: That one confuses me also
Hang in there, J. It'll all come out in the wash.
Hope this helps
Bdub
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73091 is a reply to message #73083] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 17:51 |
Ken Burton
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| jayrabe wrote on Sat, 06 February 2010 16:47 |
OK, I hope I've got it. Apologies for mental density. Thanks for everyone's patience for an issue that's really just my need to understand since I'm on both and get emails regardless of where they originate.
Final shot: So posts to the forum get copied to the mail list and sent out as emails to those registered, but strictly speaking the forum doesn't send emails directly. Hope that's it. There are more interesting things to talk about.
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You have it correct.
If you do not want those emails, go to the email list and set the option to be NOMAIL. That is what most of us do.
I probably should not do this but.... if you want to be further confused, some of the advanced forum features like private messaging, which a lot of us use all the time, and topic subscription notification are sent out as email to forum users by the forum. Do not confuse this with the previous discussion of GMCnet postings. These are some of the additional features that we use that have nothing to do with GMCnet.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73097 is a reply to message #73091] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 18:15 |
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Thanks for your patience Ken. Got it.
J
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> From: n9cv@comcast.net
> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 17:51:22 -0600
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface
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> jayrabe wrote on Sat, 06 February 2010 16:47
> > OK, I hope I've got it. Apologies for mental density. Thanks for everyone's patience for an issue that's really just my need to understand since I'm on both and get emails regardless of where they originate.
> >
> > Final shot: So posts to the forum get copied to the mail list and sent out as emails to those registered, but strictly speaking the forum doesn't send emails directly. Hope that's it. There are more interesting things to talk about.
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> You have it correct.
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> If you do not want those emails, go to the email list and set the option to be NOMAIL. That is what most of us do.
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> I probably should not do this but.... if you want to be further confused, some of the advanced forum features like private messaging, which a lot of us use all the time, and topic subscription notification are sent out as email to forum users by the forum. Do not confuse this with the previous discussion of GMCnet postings. These are some of the additional features that we use that have nothing to do with GMCnet.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73100 is a reply to message #72964] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 18:53 |
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Rob, did you ever consider that it's a hell of a long way from where we are
to where you are and some of the electrons just get tired and fall off?
Glenn
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Rob Mueller <robmueller@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> G'day,
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> I am confused as to how the GMCnet and GMC Forum interface.
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> I am signed up on both but I use the GMCnet.
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> I have noticed that when I send in a new message I get a copy back.
> Normally
> when I send in a response I get a copy back.
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> HOWEVER, sometimes when I respond to a query I DO NOT get a copy back.
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> I assume that is because the message to which I'm responding originated on
> the Forum.
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> At any rate I would appreciate it if Patrick, Gene, or Bdub could explain
> how the interface works.
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> Thanks,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73103 is a reply to message #72964] |
Sat, 06 February 2010 19:24 |
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Rabe <jayrabe@hotmail.com>
Thanks Bdub,
For me, it may be irrelevant since I have posted to the forum, and I've replied to emails I get from the net, so apparently I'm on both lists and will get anything that comes across either. Is that right?
Reply: Yes
The only remaining significant confusion is your answer that entries to the forum don't get sent out as emails. But I seem to get emails of my own posts to the forum. Is that because I'm going through the mirror?
Reply:
There is an option in the forum to receive email updates. GMCnet is subscribed as a member and gets these emails which are redirected to the list if they did not originate from there. Conversly, the forum is subscribed to the GMCnet and displays its traffic if it did not originate there.
Eugene installed the FudPhorum script originally for his own personal benefit. It enabled him to keep up with subjects that he was interested in without having to filter through all the static. The GMCnet members have benefited from it ever since.
How would one go to the forum as opposed to the mirror? And if someone posted directly to the forum, wherever that is as opposed to the birdfeeder/mirror, will I get an email of it?
Reply: The web forum, mirror, birdfeeder are one and the same. Just different names for the same thing. Yes, you will get an email of it if you are set to receive mail from the list.
Thanks for all your help, and all your hours of maintaining these things.
Reply: You're welcome. I wouldn't do it if I didn't want to or if I felt it wasn't needed.
Hope this helps.
bdub (from work on my smart phone) :-(
> From: bdub@pgrb.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: On Behalf Of Jay Rabe
> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 11:59 AM
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> Lots of information, still lots of confusion. Do I understand correctly that
> the forum is the webpage and the net is the mailing list?
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> Reply: Yes
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> But when I go to the birdfeeder portal webpage and click on "GMCnet forum,"
> I go to a page where I click on "GMCnet" which is sub-titled "Mirror of the
> GMC mailing list." So where am I?
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> Reply: On the GMCnet mirror, which is web forum software rather than "pop /
> smtp" email.
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> This email came to me from gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org. Is that the "net"?
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> Reply: Yes
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> Does the "forum" send out emails of postings that are entered via the
> webpage?
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> Reply: No
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> Why are there two entities?
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> Reply: Because some folks could not handle the amount of traffic the email
> list generated. The web forum has many features that are impossible for an
> email list to replicate.
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> Why would someone belong to one vs. the other?
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> Reply: No one belongs to only one IF they ever post. Lurkers might be only
> because the email list is unaware that they're lurking.
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> Regarding Rob's suggestion to split the two apart, first I don't understand
> what he means by that, since other description seems to say they're already
> separate. But second, if the purpose of all this is to maximize
> communication and information sharing, why would anyone want two separate
> things?
>
> Reply: That one confuses me also
>
> Hang in there, J. It'll all come out in the wash.
>
bdub
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73148 is a reply to message #73080] |
Sun, 07 February 2010 08:25 |
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The only reason the threading gets messed up on the forum is because it handles multiple inputs: direct posts and emails from the mail list. it is further split by a few users' email programs that always break the threads.
Another problem is people using the maillist often reply all and change the title (or leave it) then change the subject matter, and that gets really confusing. you lose the topic. we call that hijacking.
I am a forum user. I can get on it anywhere on any computer without having to log in, and that is the best part. the bummer is that mail list incompatible features are disabled or lost. We can edit posts, but I'm not sure what the list users see when we do that here. a duplicate email perhaps? dunno.
With the forum, spam is not an issue as it doesn't rely on mail at all.
| GMCWiperMan wrote on Sat, 06 February 2010 15:34 |
As I've mentioned before, I've learned to like GMail for its automatic
threading of messages, infinite memory, very fast search, excellent labeling
feature, spam and custom filters, and other features.
The only feature that really impressed me when trying the Forum was the
threading (which itself seemed somewhat clumsy), and the availability
through any internet connection. GMail's threading is, to me, much better.
GMail now has a off-line feature so that one can download mail for later
perusal, one of the most-liked features of the original GMCNet mailing list.
So, for those who like the mailing list, but want threading, I highly
recommend GMail, which gives me the best of both worlds, IMHO. And, No, I
haven't experienced any of the horror tales some proclaim about GMail -- in
fact it does the best Spam filtering I've seen.
JMHO,
Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73177 is a reply to message #73148] |
Sun, 07 February 2010 14:34 |
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You are correct. They do not see edited postings. That is why when I edit a posting I look to see if the intended receiver is an emailer. If not, I edit it. If he is, I start a new post.
Many times my editing is simply a spelling correction.
Ken Burton - N9KB
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMCnet - Forum Interface [message #73214 is a reply to message #73177] |
Sun, 07 February 2010 18:44 |
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| Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 07 February 2010 12:34 |
You are correct. They do not see edited postings. That is why when I edit a posting I look to see if the intended receiver is an emailer. If not, I edit it. If he is, I start a new post.
Many times my editing is simply a spelling correction.
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Ken: I thought I understood things, but your comments on editing things makes me unsure. I use the forum exclusively, and usually edit (snip) the original posting, be it from a forum or email user, just so there is not so much repeated information, or If I only want to respond to one part of the post question. I know this works fine for Forum users, but are you saying that the email users may not see my post if I have edited their original question? Sure would like to have a clarification on that issue.
Thanks for your help.
Rob Allen
former owner of '76 x-PB
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