Home » Public Forums » GMCnet » GMCers towing VIbes
| GMCers towing VIbes [message #72559] |
Mon, 01 February 2010 23:19  |
GMC Cruse
Messages: 606
Registered: June 2009
Location: SE Michigan
Karma: 3
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Don't unhook it. I just heard on the news that it has the same gas pedal as the recalled Toyota's.
Mike K.
'75 PB
Southeast Michigan
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72607 is a reply to message #72568] |
Tue, 02 February 2010 11:01  |
jimk
Messages: 6734
Registered: July 2006
Location: Belmont, CA
Karma: 9
|
Senior Member |
|
|
I have told people that have Japanese cars that if they are stupid
enough to buy them they are the real suckers.
Japanese people in Japan take all of us in USA as fools.
That is why they did not respond to this problem sooner. Now they are
trying to apologies
Notice that the head of the company is keeping silent. He still
contends that other races are inferior .
I do not purchase any cars or trucks for our corporation that carry those names.
In the last few years all the US manufactures make great cars.
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 11:32 PM, Dan Gregg <gregg_dan@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Vibes are Toyotas made for GM. Our's is the gt and does not have the Toyota engine, but a Yamaha. I have had sticking throttle problems for a year now. I keep spraying the spring on the throttle body with oil. Still got the problem. Not sure it is same as the new Toyotas though, maybe. Certainly has made a great toad with the 6 speed transmission.
> Dan
> --
> Dan & Teri Gregg
>
> danandteri.blogspot.com
>
>
>
> ///Halon Automatic Fire Extinguishers
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>
--
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC, Fremont,CA
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
http://www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
Jim Kanomata
Applied/GMC
jimk@appliedairfilters.com
www.appliedgmc.com
1-800-752-7502
|
|
|
|
| Re: GMCers towing VIbes [message #72617 is a reply to message #72559] |
Tue, 02 February 2010 14:07 |
Chr$
Messages: 2690
Registered: January 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Karma: 1
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Jim, I'll agree with you that US brand/made cars are excellent these days, an "American" Car isn't always so, and a "Japanese" or "Korean" car may be more American than you think.
Cars in the 70's were missing electronic engine controls and were saddled with emissions controls add-ons that really made you want to stay home instead of drive that 120HP V8 Car. Thats' what made cars crap, and since most cars on our roads then were US made, people still associate crappy cars with US made cars.
Malaysia builds the worlds worst cars: Proton. I went through three of them in two weeks...
Now for some fun:
My 2001 Ford Explorer Sport Trac has an engine made in Germany, some under hood parts made in the UK, and the Automatic Trans (5R55E which has since been rebuilt) made in France. The truck was "assembled" here.
My 2006 Volvo was built not in Sweden, but Belgium, with a French engine and a German Transmission. It has some US sourced parts as well.
Those nice "Honda" seats we all bought were made in the Southeastern US, as are the vans. Chrysler uses the same seats.
Many Imported cars engines and transmissions are even built here now too. Basically, my neighbors Toyota is more "American" than my Ford.
A GM Subsidiary makes the dashboard for the US built Mercedes ML series SUV.
The VW Routan Minivan is a re-badged Dodge Caravan, this re-badging has been going on for decades. First Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi built trucks for Chevy, Ford, and Dodge now the Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi trucks are built by GM, Ford, and Chrysler. That much makes sense, however I think the Mitsubishi Raider (Dodge Dakota) is dead. Wasn't the Dodge version of the Mitsubishi Montero called a "Raider"? (Yes)
The Saab 9-2 was a rebadged Subaru.
Most Suzuki's are really Daewoos, which are sold as Chevrolets in Europe (I've even seen these in Korea) but if you want a Corvette in Europe, go to the Cadillac dealer, which also sells a model called the BLS which is really a Saab 9-3.
Even Hyundai builds cars here now. Have you seen the new Sonata? Looks like a Mercedes S-class. Nice.
That Toyota gas pedal is made in Indiana, however it is a Toyota design. Who knows who screwed that one up.
Funny we have not heard about any Lexus models in the Toyota recall, but those models are all built in Japan (except the ES, which I think is built here now).
I could go on for hours with this... 
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72633 is a reply to message #72617] |
Tue, 02 February 2010 17:04 |
 |
USAussie
Messages: 15912
Registered: July 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Karma: 6
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Chris,
The Pontiac GTO that was sold in the USA was a re-badged Holden Monaro!
Along with the rebadging they also the steering wheel over to the left side!
;-)
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Choffat
Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 7:08 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes
Jim, I'll agree with you that US brand/made cars are excellent these days,
an "American" Car isn't always so, and a "Japanese" or "Korean" car may be
more American than you think.
Cars in the 70's were missing electronic engine controls and were saddled
with emissions controls add-ons that really made you want to stay home
instead of drive that 120HP V8 Car. Thats' what made cars crap, and since
most cars on our roads then were US made, people still associate crappy cars
with US made cars.
Malaysia builds the worlds worst cars: Proton. I went through three of them
in two weeks...
Now for some fun:
My 2001 Ford Explorer Sport Trac has an engine made in Germany, some under
hood parts made in the UK, and the Automatic Trans (5R55E which has since
been rebuilt) made in France. The truck was "assembled" here.
My 2006 Volvo was built not in Sweden, but Belgium, with a French engine and
a German Transmission. It has some US sourced parts as well.
Those nice "Honda" seats we all bought were made in the Southeastern US, as
are the vans. Chrysler uses the same seats.
Many Imported cars engines and transmissions are even built here now too.
Basically, my neighbors Toyota is more "American" than my Ford.
A GM Subsidiary makes the dashboard for the US built Mercedes ML series SUV.
The VW Routan Minivan is a re-badged Dodge Caravan, this re-badging has been
going on for decades. First Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi built trucks for
Chevy, Ford, and Dodge now the Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi trucks are built
by GM, Ford, and Chrysler. That much makes sense, however I think the
Mitsubishi Raider (Dodge Dakota) is dead. Wasn't the Dodge version of the
Mitsubishi Montero called a "Raider"? (Yes)
The Saab 9-2 was a rebadged Subaru.
Most Suzuki's are really Daewoos, which are sold as Chevrolets in Europe
(I've even seen these in Korea) but if you want a Corvette in Europe, go to
the Cadillac dealer, which also sells a model called the BLS which is really
a Saab 9-3.
Even Hyundai builds cars here now. Have you seen the new Sonata? Looks like
a Mercedes S-class. Nice.
That Toyota gas pedal is made in Indiana, however it is a Toyota design. Who
knows who screwed that one up.
Funny we have not heard about any Lexus models in the Toyota recall, but
those models are all built in Japan (except the ES, which I think is built
here now).
I could go on for hours with this... :lol:
--
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
77 Ex-Kingsley 455, Power Drive, 3:21 FD U S S Kobiashi Maru: The
Engineer's Motorhome
S T I L L - U N D E R - C O N S T R U C T I O N
Scottsdale, AZ
Photosite: Chrisc "It has Begun"
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72636 is a reply to message #72633] |
Tue, 02 February 2010 17:30 |
Chr$
Messages: 2690
Registered: January 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Karma: 1
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Yeah, the correct side LOL!!
The Commodore is the Pontiac G8 here and sold as a Vauxhall in The UK, probably an Opel in Europe.
I hear that we will get a chevy version here as the "Caprice Police Interceptor" or something like that. It is supposed to be for Fleet only sales.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72638 is a reply to message #72633] |
Tue, 02 February 2010 18:02 |
shawnee
Messages: 422
Registered: February 2004
Location: NC
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Behalf Of Chris Choffat
Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 7:08 AM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes
Jim, I'll agree with you that US brand/made cars are excellent these days,
an "American" Car isn't always so, and a "Japanese" or "Korean" car may be
more American than you think.
Cars in the 70's were missing electronic engine controls and were saddled
with emissions controls add-ons that really made you want to stay home
instead of drive that 120HP V8 Car. Thats' what made cars crap, and since
most cars on our roads then were US made, people still associate crappy cars
with US made cars.
Malaysia builds the worlds worst cars: Proton. I went through three of them
in two weeks...
Now for some fun:
My 2001 Ford Explorer Sport Trac has an engine made in Germany, some under
hood parts made in the UK, and the Automatic Trans (5R55E which has since
been rebuilt) made in France. The truck was "assembled" here.
My 2006 Volvo was built not in Sweden, but Belgium, with a French engine and
a German Transmission. It has some US sourced parts as well.
Those nice "Honda" seats we all bought were made in the Southeastern US, as
are the vans. Chrysler uses the same seats.
Many Imported cars engines and transmissions are even built here now too.
Basically, my neighbors Toyota is more "American" than my Ford.
A GM Subsidiary makes the dashboard for the US built Mercedes ML series SUV.
The VW Routan Minivan is a re-badged Dodge Caravan, this re-badging has been
going on for decades. First Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi built trucks for
Chevy, Ford, and Dodge now the Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi trucks are built
by GM, Ford, and Chrysler. That much makes sense, however I think the
Mitsubishi Raider (Dodge Dakota) is dead. Wasn't the Dodge version of the
Mitsubishi Montero called a "Raider"? (Yes)
The Saab 9-2 was a rebadged Subaru.
Most Suzuki's are really Daewoos, which are sold as Chevrolets in Europe
(I've even seen these in Korea) but if you want a Corvette in Europe, go to
the Cadillac dealer, which also sells a model called the BLS which is really
a Saab 9-3.
Even Hyundai builds cars here now. Have you seen the new Sonata? Looks like
a Mercedes S-class. Nice.
That Toyota gas pedal is made in Indiana, however it is a Toyota design. Who
knows who screwed that one up.
Funny we have not heard about any Lexus models in the Toyota recall, but
those models are all built in Japan (except the ES, which I think is built
here now).
I could go on for hours with this...
--
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
77 Ex-Kingsley 455, Power Drive, 3:21 FD U S S Kobiashi Maru: The
Engineer's Motorhome
S T I L L - U N D E R - C O N S T R U C T I O N
Scottsdale, AZ
Photosite: Chrisc "It has Begun"
[/quote]
Chris,
I read in the paper today that the latest failure was a Lexus. It was a Highway Patrolman that had 3 other people in the suv when it went haywire. Crashed and caught fire and killed all four.
Gene Dotson
74 Canyonlands
www.bdub.net/Motorhome_Enhancements New Windows and Aluminum Radiators
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72640 is a reply to message #72633] |
Tue, 02 February 2010 18:21 |
peter bailey
Messages: 367
Registered: March 2009
Location: Gawler, South Australia
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Rob,
As you would well know was also sold in the UK as a Vauxhall and achieved
huge accolades when thoroughly tested on the British car show 'Top Gear'
Also in USA the Pontiac G8 is the 4 door version known as Commodore in
Australia.
Also note both cars were sold cheaper in USA than the equivalent price for
Australia. (Who is ripping who off? I suggest our Government taxing)
Peter Bailey
from Ozy (Aussie)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Mueller" <robmueller@iinet.net.au>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes
> Chris,
>
> The Pontiac GTO that was sold in the USA was a re-badged Holden Monaro!
>
> Along with the rebadging they also the steering wheel over to the left
> side!
> ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> AUS '75 Avion-The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Choffat
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 7:08 AM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes
>
>
> Jim, I'll agree with you that US brand/made cars are excellent these days,
> an "American" Car isn't always so, and a "Japanese" or "Korean" car may be
> more American than you think.
>
> Cars in the 70's were missing electronic engine controls and were saddled
> with emissions controls add-ons that really made you want to stay home
> instead of drive that 120HP V8 Car. Thats' what made cars crap, and since
> most cars on our roads then were US made, people still associate crappy
> cars
> with US made cars.
>
> Malaysia builds the worlds worst cars: Proton. I went through three of
> them
> in two weeks...
>
> Now for some fun:
>
> My 2001 Ford Explorer Sport Trac has an engine made in Germany, some under
> hood parts made in the UK, and the Automatic Trans (5R55E which has since
> been rebuilt) made in France. The truck was "assembled" here.
>
> My 2006 Volvo was built not in Sweden, but Belgium, with a French engine
> and
> a German Transmission. It has some US sourced parts as well.
>
> Those nice "Honda" seats we all bought were made in the Southeastern US,
> as
> are the vans. Chrysler uses the same seats.
>
> Many Imported cars engines and transmissions are even built here now too.
> Basically, my neighbors Toyota is more "American" than my Ford.
>
> A GM Subsidiary makes the dashboard for the US built Mercedes ML series
> SUV.
>
> The VW Routan Minivan is a re-badged Dodge Caravan, this re-badging has
> been
> going on for decades. First Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi built trucks for
> Chevy, Ford, and Dodge now the Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi trucks are
> built
> by GM, Ford, and Chrysler. That much makes sense, however I think the
> Mitsubishi Raider (Dodge Dakota) is dead. Wasn't the Dodge version of the
> Mitsubishi Montero called a "Raider"? (Yes)
>
> The Saab 9-2 was a rebadged Subaru.
>
> Most Suzuki's are really Daewoos, which are sold as Chevrolets in Europe
> (I've even seen these in Korea) but if you want a Corvette in Europe, go
> to
> the Cadillac dealer, which also sells a model called the BLS which is
> really
> a Saab 9-3.
>
> Even Hyundai builds cars here now. Have you seen the new Sonata? Looks
> like
> a Mercedes S-class. Nice.
>
> That Toyota gas pedal is made in Indiana, however it is a Toyota design.
> Who
> knows who screwed that one up.
>
> Funny we have not heard about any Lexus models in the Toyota recall, but
> those models are all built in Japan (except the ES, which I think is built
> here now).
>
> I could go on for hours with this... :lol:
> --
> -Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
> 77 Ex-Kingsley 455, Power Drive, 3:21 FD U S S Kobiashi Maru: The
> Engineer's Motorhome
> S T I L L - U N D E R - C O N S T R U C T I O N
> Scottsdale, AZ
> Photosite: Chrisc "It has Begun"
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72684 is a reply to message #72638] |
Wed, 03 February 2010 06:55 |
Steven Ferguson
Messages: 3447
Registered: May 2006
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
That happened in San Diego and I just don't understand why he didn't
shut the ignition off. He left the road at over 120 mph while talking
to dispatch on his cell phone. Unbelievable that he could dial, and
talk on a cell phone yet not have the presence of mind to turn off the
ignition.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Gene Dotson <shawnee@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
> Behalf Of Chris Choffat
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 7:08 AM
> To: mailto:gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes
>
>
> Jim, I'll agree with you that US brand/made cars are excellent these days,
> an "American" Car isn't always so, and a "Japanese" or "Korean" car may be
> more American than you think.
>
> Cars in the 70's were missing electronic engine controls and were saddled
> with emissions controls add-ons that really made you want to stay home
> instead of drive that 120HP V8 Car. Thats' what made cars crap, and since
> most cars on our roads then were US made, people still associate crappy cars
> with US made cars.
>
> Malaysia builds the worlds worst cars: Proton. I went through three of them
> in two weeks...
>
> Now for some fun:
>
> My 2001 Ford Explorer Sport Trac has an engine made in Germany, some under
> hood parts made in the UK, and the Automatic Trans (5R55E which has since
> been rebuilt) made in France. The truck was "assembled" here.
>
> My 2006 Volvo was built not in Sweden, but Belgium, with a French engine and
> a German Transmission. It has some US sourced parts as well.
>
> Those nice "Honda" seats we all bought were made in the Southeastern US, as
> are the vans. Chrysler uses the same seats.
>
> Many Imported cars engines and transmissions are even built here now too.
> Basically, my neighbors Toyota is more "American" than my Ford.
>
> A GM Subsidiary makes the dashboard for the US built Mercedes ML series SUV.
>
> The VW Routan Minivan is a re-badged Dodge Caravan, this re-badging has been
> going on for decades. First Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi built trucks for
> Chevy, Ford, and Dodge now the Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi trucks are built
> by GM, Ford, and Chrysler. That much makes sense, however I think the
> Mitsubishi Raider (Dodge Dakota) is dead. Wasn't the Dodge version of the
> Mitsubishi Montero called a "Raider"? (Yes)
>
> The Saab 9-2 was a rebadged Subaru.
>
> Most Suzuki's are really Daewoos, which are sold as Chevrolets in Europe
> (I've even seen these in Korea) but if you want a Corvette in Europe, go to
> the Cadillac dealer, which also sells a model called the BLS which is really
> a Saab 9-3.
>
> Even Hyundai builds cars here now. Have you seen the new Sonata? Looks like
> a Mercedes S-class. Nice.
>
> That Toyota gas pedal is made in Indiana, however it is a Toyota design. Who
> knows who screwed that one up.
>
> Funny we have not heard about any Lexus models in the Toyota recall, but
> those models are all built in Japan (except the ES, which I think is built
> here now).
>
> I could go on for hours with this... :lol:
> --
> -Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
> 77 Ex-Kingsley 455, Power Drive, 3:21 FD U S S Kobiashi Maru: The
> Engineer's Motorhome
> S T I L L - U N D E R - C O N S T R U C T I O N
> Scottsdale, AZ
> Photosite: Chrisc "It has Begun"
> [/quote]
>
> Chris,
>
> I read in the paper today that the latest failure was a Lexus. It was a Highway Patrolman that had 3 other people in the suv when it went haywire. Crashed and caught fire and killed all four.
>
> --
> Gene Dotson
> 74 Canyonlands
> www.bdub.net/Motorhome_Enhancements
>
> New Windows and Aluminum Radiators
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>
--
Steve Ferguson
'76 EII
Sierra Vista, AZ
Urethane bushing source
www.bdub.net/ferguson/
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72688 is a reply to message #72684] |
Wed, 03 February 2010 07:27 |
shawnee
Messages: 422
Registered: February 2004
Location: NC
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
| Steven Ferguson wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 07:55 |
That happened in San Diego and I just don't understand why he didn't
shut the ignition off. He left the road at over 120 mph while talking
to dispatch on his cell phone. Unbelievable that he could dial, and
talk on a cell phone yet not have the presence of mind to turn off the
ignition.
> I read in the paper today that the latest failure was a Lexus. It was a Highway Patrolman that had 3 other people in the suv when it went haywire. Crashed and caught fire and killed all four.
>
> --
> Gene Dotson
> 74 Canyonlands
> www.bdub.net/Motorhome_Enhancements
>
> New Windows and Aluminum Radiators
>
|
Steve,
I have wondered about why people don't do something when this happens. I can think of two or three things to stop or slow it down, but I guess when it happens terror cancels out thought.
Gene Dotson
74 Canyonlands
www.bdub.net/Motorhome_Enhancements New Windows and Aluminum Radiators
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72691 is a reply to message #72684] |
Wed, 03 February 2010 08:37 |
Sandra Price
Messages: 709
Registered: May 2006
Karma: 1
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Bob says, "DITTO" on that Steve. In a panic...
Sandra
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>wrote:
> That happened in San Diego and I just don't understand why he didn't
> shut the ignition off. He left the road at over 120 mph while talking
> to dispatch on his cell phone. Unbelievable that he could dial, and
> talk on a cell phone yet not have the presence of mind to turn off the
> ignition.
>
> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Gene Dotson <shawnee@charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Behalf Of Chris Choffat
> > Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 7:08 AM
> > To: mailto:gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes
> >
> >
> > Jim, I'll agree with you that US brand/made cars are excellent these
> days,
> > an "American" Car isn't always so, and a "Japanese" or "Korean" car may
> be
> > more American than you think.
> >
> > Cars in the 70's were missing electronic engine controls and were saddled
> > with emissions controls add-ons that really made you want to stay home
> > instead of drive that 120HP V8 Car. Thats' what made cars crap, and since
> > most cars on our roads then were US made, people still associate crappy
> cars
> > with US made cars.
> >
> > Malaysia builds the worlds worst cars: Proton. I went through three of
> them
> > in two weeks...
> >
> > Now for some fun:
> >
> > My 2001 Ford Explorer Sport Trac has an engine made in Germany, some
> under
> > hood parts made in the UK, and the Automatic Trans (5R55E which has since
> > been rebuilt) made in France. The truck was "assembled" here.
> >
> > My 2006 Volvo was built not in Sweden, but Belgium, with a French engine
> and
> > a German Transmission. It has some US sourced parts as well.
> >
> > Those nice "Honda" seats we all bought were made in the Southeastern US,
> as
> > are the vans. Chrysler uses the same seats.
> >
> > Many Imported cars engines and transmissions are even built here now too.
> > Basically, my neighbors Toyota is more "American" than my Ford.
> >
> > A GM Subsidiary makes the dashboard for the US built Mercedes ML series
> SUV.
> >
> > The VW Routan Minivan is a re-badged Dodge Caravan, this re-badging has
> been
> > going on for decades. First Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi built trucks for
> > Chevy, Ford, and Dodge now the Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi trucks are
> built
> > by GM, Ford, and Chrysler. That much makes sense, however I think the
> > Mitsubishi Raider (Dodge Dakota) is dead. Wasn't the Dodge version of the
> > Mitsubishi Montero called a "Raider"? (Yes)
> >
> > The Saab 9-2 was a rebadged Subaru.
> >
> > Most Suzuki's are really Daewoos, which are sold as Chevrolets in Europe
> > (I've even seen these in Korea) but if you want a Corvette in Europe, go
> to
> > the Cadillac dealer, which also sells a model called the BLS which is
> really
> > a Saab 9-3.
> >
> > Even Hyundai builds cars here now. Have you seen the new Sonata? Looks
> like
> > a Mercedes S-class. Nice.
> >
> > That Toyota gas pedal is made in Indiana, however it is a Toyota design.
> Who
> > knows who screwed that one up.
> >
> > Funny we have not heard about any Lexus models in the Toyota recall, but
> > those models are all built in Japan (except the ES, which I think is
> built
> > here now).
> >
> > I could go on for hours with this... :lol:
> > --
> > -Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
> > 77 Ex-Kingsley 455, Power Drive, 3:21 FD U S S Kobiashi Maru: The
> > Engineer's Motorhome
> > S T I L L - U N D E R - C O N S T R U C T I O N
> > Scottsdale, AZ
> > Photosite: Chrisc "It has Begun"
> > [/quote]
> >
> > Chris,
> >
> > I read in the paper today that the latest failure was a Lexus. It was a
> Highway Patrolman that had 3 other people in the suv when it went haywire.
> Crashed and caught fire and killed all four.
> >
> > --
> > Gene Dotson
> > 74 Canyonlands
> > www.bdub.net/Motorhome_Enhancements
> >
> > New Windows and Aluminum Radiators
> > _______________________________________________
> > GMCnet mailing list
> > List Information and Subscription Options:
> > http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Steve Ferguson
> '76 EII
> Sierra Vista, AZ
> Urethane bushing source
> www.bdub.net/ferguson/
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>
--
IN GOD WE TRUST!
Sandra and Bob in the 51st Year of our State of Marriage
“Life’s a Trip” in “The Roadhouse”
’73 Painted Desert
Huntsville, TX
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another, be sympathetic, love
as brothers, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or
insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so
that you may inherit a blessing. --1 Peter 3:8-9
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72692 is a reply to message #72691] |
Wed, 03 February 2010 08:38 |
Sandra Price
Messages: 709
Registered: May 2006
Karma: 1
|
Senior Member |
|
|
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:37 AM, Sandra Price <bsprice9359@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bob says, "DITTO" on that Steve. In a panic...
>
> Sandra
>
> On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:55 AM, Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> That happened in San Diego and I just don't understand why he didn't
>> shut the ignition off. He left the road at over 120 mph while talking
>> to dispatch on his cell phone. Unbelievable that he could dial, and
>> talk on a cell phone yet not have the presence of mind to turn off the
>> ignition.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Gene Dotson <shawnee@charter.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Behalf Of Chris Choffat
>> > Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 7:08 AM
>> > To: mailto:gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
>> > Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes
>> >
>> >
>> > Jim, I'll agree with you that US brand/made cars are excellent these
>> days,
>> > an "American" Car isn't always so, and a "Japanese" or "Korean" car may
>> be
>> > more American than you think.
>> >
>> > Cars in the 70's were missing electronic engine controls and were
>> saddled
>> > with emissions controls add-ons that really made you want to stay home
>> > instead of drive that 120HP V8 Car. Thats' what made cars crap, and
>> since
>> > most cars on our roads then were US made, people still associate crappy
>> cars
>> > with US made cars.
>> >
>> > Malaysia builds the worlds worst cars: Proton. I went through three of
>> them
>> > in two weeks...
>> >
>> > Now for some fun:
>> >
>> > My 2001 Ford Explorer Sport Trac has an engine made in Germany, some
>> under
>> > hood parts made in the UK, and the Automatic Trans (5R55E which has
>> since
>> > been rebuilt) made in France. The truck was "assembled" here.
>> >
>> > My 2006 Volvo was built not in Sweden, but Belgium, with a French engine
>> and
>> > a German Transmission. It has some US sourced parts as well.
>> >
>> > Those nice "Honda" seats we all bought were made in the Southeastern US,
>> as
>> > are the vans. Chrysler uses the same seats.
>> >
>> > Many Imported cars engines and transmissions are even built here now
>> too.
>> > Basically, my neighbors Toyota is more "American" than my Ford.
>> >
>> > A GM Subsidiary makes the dashboard for the US built Mercedes ML series
>> SUV.
>> >
>> > The VW Routan Minivan is a re-badged Dodge Caravan, this re-badging has
>> been
>> > going on for decades. First Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi built trucks
>> for
>> > Chevy, Ford, and Dodge now the Isuzu, Mazda, and Mitsubishi trucks are
>> built
>> > by GM, Ford, and Chrysler. That much makes sense, however I think the
>> > Mitsubishi Raider (Dodge Dakota) is dead. Wasn't the Dodge version of
>> the
>> > Mitsubishi Montero called a "Raider"? (Yes)
>> >
>> > The Saab 9-2 was a rebadged Subaru.
>> >
>> > Most Suzuki's are really Daewoos, which are sold as Chevrolets in Europe
>> > (I've even seen these in Korea) but if you want a Corvette in Europe, go
>> to
>> > the Cadillac dealer, which also sells a model called the BLS which is
>> really
>> > a Saab 9-3.
>> >
>> > Even Hyundai builds cars here now. Have you seen the new Sonata? Looks
>> like
>> > a Mercedes S-class. Nice.
>> >
>> > That Toyota gas pedal is made in Indiana, however it is a Toyota design.
>> Who
>> > knows who screwed that one up.
>> >
>> > Funny we have not heard about any Lexus models in the Toyota recall, but
>> > those models are all built in Japan (except the ES, which I think is
>> built
>> > here now).
>> >
>> > I could go on for hours with this... :lol:
>> > --
>> > -Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
>> > 77 Ex-Kingsley 455, Power Drive, 3:21 FD U S S Kobiashi Maru: The
>> > Engineer's Motorhome
>> > S T I L L - U N D E R - C O N S T R U C T I O N
>> > Scottsdale, AZ
>> > Photosite: Chrisc "It has Begun"
>> > [/quote]
>> >
>> > Chris,
>> >
>> > I read in the paper today that the latest failure was a Lexus. It was a
>> Highway Patrolman that had 3 other people in the suv when it went haywire.
>> Crashed and caught fire and killed all four.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gene Dotson
>> > 74 Canyonlands
>> > www.bdub.net/Motorhome_Enhancements
>> >
>> > New Windows and Aluminum Radiators
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > GMCnet mailing list
>> > List Information and Subscription Options:
>> > http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steve Ferguson
>> '76 EII
>> Sierra Vista, AZ
>> Urethane bushing source
>> www.bdub.net/ferguson/
>> _______________________________________________
>> GMCnet mailing list
>> List Information and Subscription Options:
>> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
>>
>
>
>
> --
> IN GOD WE TRUST!
>
> Sandra and Bob in the 51st Year of our State of Marriage
> “Life’s a Trip” in “The Roadhouse”
> ’73 Painted Desert
> Huntsville, TX
>
> Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another, be sympathetic, love
> as brothers, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or
> insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so
> that you may inherit a blessing. --1 Peter 3:8-9
>
>
--
IN GOD WE TRUST!
Sandra and Bob in the 51st Year of our State of Marriage
“Life’s a Trip” in “The Roadhouse”
’73 Painted Desert
Huntsville, TX
Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another, be sympathetic, love
as brothers, be compassionate and humble. Do not repay evil with evil or
insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so
that you may inherit a blessing. --1 Peter 3:8-9
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72696 is a reply to message #72684] |
Wed, 03 February 2010 09:31 |
Rick Denney
Messages: 430
Registered: January 2004
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Steven Ferguson writes...
> That happened in San Diego and I just don't understand why he didn't
> shut the ignition off. He left the road at over 120 mph while talking
> to dispatch on his cell phone. Unbelievable that he could dial, and
> talk on a cell phone yet not have the presence of mind to turn off the
> ignition.
The Redhead and I were sitting in a Toyota Venza some months ago while
the dealer was explaining the push-button start. As with Ken, I did
not see an off button. We didn't buy it--she was just scoping out cars
that might be good to buy on the used market when her Lexus finally
gives up the ghost (her commute is long--she puts 30K a year on a
car).
Our 2004 Lexus uses a key, however, and I think only the newest
Toyotas have the proximity key and push-button start.
What I don't understand, though, is why the brakes didn't work. I
owned an Audi 5000 back in the 80's when they went through their
unintended acceleration fiasco. That one was largely trumped up by 60
Minutes or 20/20 (I forget which now). There were some tragic
accidents, but there was never a plausible engineering explanation for
them. There was some analysis that showed that the majority of the
accidents involved drivers for whom the Audi was not their daily car,
and that the Audi had it's pedal arrangement somewhat to the left of
most cars and with the brake and accelerator pedal at the same level.
Because of that, gas pedals are not significantly lower than brake
pedals.
But during that fiasco, I conducted a test with my '84 5000S. On an
empty road, I floored it and ran it up to about 70 mph. Then, I stood
on the brakes with my left foot, without lifting my foot off the gas
pedal.
The car stopped. And the stopping distance was not much more than it
would have been without the push from the engine. The brakes should be
able to stop a stock automobile even with the throttle wide open.
So, when the guy was going 120, why didn't he just put his foot on the
brake and PRESS? Isn't that the natural reaction when a car is going
too fast? Is there something about anti-lock brakes that would reduce
braking action in those circumstances? (I can't imagine it.)
Rick "whose commute is about to be longer in his 108,000-mile Subaru"
Denney
'73 230 Ex-Glacier "Jaws"
Northern Virginia
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
'73 Glacier 230 "Jaws"
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72702 is a reply to message #72696] |
Wed, 03 February 2010 10:28 |
mlincoln
Messages: 107
Registered: August 2006
Location: Salt Lake City
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
The Diane Rehm show discussed the Toyota issue the other day as part of a larger show on the U.S. auto industry (Monday, podcast archived at http://wamu.org/programs/dr/10/02/01.php#29445). They had Bill Visnic, from Edmunds, and several other guests. One of them (can't remember which) noted that the Lexus button must be held down continuously for 3 seconds to stop the car. That's a maneuver requiring a bit of focus and probably a still (not bouncing along the median) car. Naturally drivers don't drill on emergency procedures and checklists, as pilots must. Certainly the fellow may have panicked, and the car may have been bouncing along partly out of control. Either of these could have prevented a continuous, three second application.
The brakes should, of course, always stop the car. I have a 993 C4 and I recall that the measured negative horsepower of the brakes was advertised at approximately 3.5-4x the power of the engine. But perhaps the Lexus brakes either had a component failure (vigorously pushed past the rusty part of the master cylinder piston and pressure leaked down, as several GMC owners have reported?) or overheated (too prolonged application of partial brakes, perhaps in an attempt to avoid getting rear ended on the freeway, before realizing the situation was really serious?). The Diane Rehm show guests ended up recommending turning the ignition off, but then Diane obviously received some hasty calls from engineers and mechanics, and she and her guests came back cautioning to only turn off the ignition and not turn the key all the way "off", thereby locking the steering column.
Mike
On Feb 3, 2010, at 10:31 AM, Rick Denney wrote:
> Steven Ferguson writes...
>
>> That happened in San Diego and I just don't understand why he didn't
>> shut the ignition off. He left the road at over 120 mph while talking
>> to dispatch on his cell phone. Unbelievable that he could dial, and
>> talk on a cell phone yet not have the presence of mind to turn off the
>> ignition.
>
> The Redhead and I were sitting in a Toyota Venza some months ago while
> the dealer was explaining the push-button start. As with Ken, I did
> not see an off button. We didn't buy it--she was just scoping out cars
> that might be good to buy on the used market when her Lexus finally
> gives up the ghost (her commute is long--she puts 30K a year on a
> car).
>
> Our 2004 Lexus uses a key, however, and I think only the newest
> Toyotas have the proximity key and push-button start.
>
> What I don't understand, though, is why the brakes didn't work. I
> owned an Audi 5000 back in the 80's when they went through their
> unintended acceleration fiasco. That one was largely trumped up by 60
> Minutes or 20/20 (I forget which now). There were some tragic
> accidents, but there was never a plausible engineering explanation for
> them. There was some analysis that showed that the majority of the
> accidents involved drivers for whom the Audi was not their daily car,
> and that the Audi had it's pedal arrangement somewhat to the left of
> most cars and with the brake and accelerator pedal at the same level.
> Because of that, gas pedals are not significantly lower than brake
> pedals.
>
> But during that fiasco, I conducted a test with my '84 5000S. On an
> empty road, I floored it and ran it up to about 70 mph. Then, I stood
> on the brakes with my left foot, without lifting my foot off the gas
> pedal.
>
> The car stopped. And the stopping distance was not much more than it
> would have been without the push from the engine. The brakes should be
> able to stop a stock automobile even with the throttle wide open.
>
> So, when the guy was going 120, why didn't he just put his foot on the
> brake and PRESS? Isn't that the natural reaction when a car is going
> too fast? Is there something about anti-lock brakes that would reduce
> braking action in those circumstances? (I can't imagine it.)
>
> Rick "whose commute is about to be longer in his 108,000-mile Subaru"
> Denney
>
> '73 230 Ex-Glacier "Jaws"
> Northern Virginia
>
> _______________________________________________
> GMCnet mailing list
> List Information and Subscription Options:
> http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
Mike
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72709 is a reply to message #72684] |
Wed, 03 February 2010 11:10 |
 |
hnielsen2
Messages: 1434
Registered: February 2004
Location: Alpine CA
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
Steve;
He was a CHP officer and I know they all are sent to the CHP driving school.
One of the manger I work for at the Auto of So Ca has a chance to go the
that school.
She came back with what en eye opener that was for her and she had gone to
one of the nations top driving schools befor going to the CHP school
I was told the car the CHP officer was in had a start stop button on the
dash and after you get up to speed the computer locks it out?.
Not sure about that?
Toyota is or was doing the cat thing "covering up the crap"
Howard
Alpine
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Ferguson" <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: <gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2010 4:55 AM
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes
That happened in San Diego and I just don't understand why he didn't
shut the ignition off. He left the road at over 120 mph while talking
to dispatch on his cell phone. Unbelievable that he could dial, and
talk on a cell phone yet not have the presence of mind to turn off the
ignition.
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Gene Dotson <shawnee@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
> Behalf Of Chris Choffat
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 7:08 AM
> To: mailto:gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes
>
>
> Jim, I'll agree with you that US brand/made cars are excellent these days,
> an "American" Car isn't always so, and a "Japanese" or "Korean" car may be
> more American than you think.
temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
All is well with my Lord
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72711 is a reply to message #72684] |
Wed, 03 February 2010 11:20 |
Tim Conway
Messages: 412
Registered: September 2005
Location: Long Island, New York
Karma: 0
|
Senior Member |
|
|
On Feb 3, 2010, at 7:55 AM, Steven Ferguson wrote:
> That happened in San Diego and I just don't understand why he didn't
> shut the ignition off. He left the road at over 120 mph while talking
> to dispatch on his cell phone. Unbelievable that he could dial, and
> talk on a cell phone yet not have the presence of mind to turn off the
> ignition.
>> Funny we have not heard about any Lexus models in the Toyota
>> recall, but
>> those models are all built in Japan (except the ES, which I think
>> is built
>> here now).
>> I read in the paper today that the latest failure was a Lexus. It
>> was a Highway Patrolman that had 3 other people in the suv when it
>> went haywire. Crashed and caught fire and killed all four.
A few days ago, there was a local fatal crash involving young people
driving around drinking in the early am hours. A young man and women
were killed, two young men are hospitalized as well as the young
woman driver. Very high speed (in a residential neighborhood) was
involved as a large pine tree was sheared off at it's base before
taking down another tree. So frequently, the drunks survive these
things, killing passengers, other drivers or pedestrians.
While thinking about this person having to live with killing and
injuring her friends, it occurred to me that with this Toyota issue
in the news now, maybe we'll hear that the accelerator was stuck
(true or not). Rereading the article, I see the vehicle was a Lexus...
Tim Conway
LI NY 78 PB
_______________________________________________
GMCnet mailing list
List Information and Subscription Options:
http://temp.gmcnet.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/gmclist
|
|
|
|
|
|
| Re: [GMCnet] GMCers towing VIbes [message #72718 is a reply to message #72688] |
Wed, 03 February 2010 13:16 |
Chr$
Messages: 2690
Registered: January 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Karma: 1
|
Senior Member |
|
|
How about moving the very easily reached shifter one click from "D" to "N"?
If it were a manual, I'd clutch...
It amazes me that people don't do this instinctively. 
| shawnee wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 06:27 |
| Steven Ferguson wrote on Wed, 03 February 2010 07:55 |
That happened in San Diego and I just don't understand why he didn't
shut the ignition off. He left the road at over 120 mph while talking
to dispatch on his cell phone. Unbelievable that he could dial, and
talk on a cell phone yet not have the presence of mind to turn off the
ignition.
> I read in the paper today that the latest failure was a Lexus. It was a Highway Patrolman that had 3 other people in the suv when it went haywire. Crashed and caught fire and killed all four.
>
> --
> Gene Dotson
> 74 Canyonlands
> www.bdub.net/Motorhome_Enhancements
>
> New Windows and Aluminum Radiators
>
|
Steve,
I have wondered about why people don't do something when this happens. I can think of two or three things to stop or slow it down, but I guess when it happens terror cancels out thought.
|
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
|
|
|
|
| Re: GMCers towing VIbes [message #72719 is a reply to message #72559] |
Wed, 03 February 2010 13:33 |
Chr$
Messages: 2690
Registered: January 2004
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
Karma: 1
|
Senior Member |
|
|
In addition to my last comment, the Lexus shifter is relatively normal, D and N are next to each other. If the driver had it in manual shift gates, then I can see that there may be more to it. Our older lexus had a more conventional toyota shifter with the button on the side instead of the more Mercades type.
Anyone looked at that "thing" in the new BMW's? What is wrong with PRNDL anyway?
Regarding Rick's Audi experiment, that car probably only had about 90-120 HP, that Lexus probably over 300, some hit 400 and a lot more torque. Food for thought.
Easiest solution: SHIFT to NEUTRAL. The rev limiter will save your engine even if you don't care. panic? Shove the sumbitch in Park even, it will stop driving the wheels. Who cares what damage it does, your life is more important. Never shut the engine off, you need that for steering and brake boost...
One other thing is for sure, People who drive manual transmission cars (Not those silly flappy paddle shifter things) are more involved in their car's operation and in my opinion, safer to themselves and from everything. again, just my opinion.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
77 Ex-Kingsley 455 SOLD!
2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
Photosite: Chrisc GMC:"It has Begun" TT: "The Other Woman"
|
|
|
|
Goto Forum:
Current Time: Fri Sep 27 04:32:08 CDT 2024
Total time taken to generate the page: 0.02847 seconds
|
GMCforum
Search
Help
Register
Login
Home
