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| Birchaven weighs 10,100 ? [message #365518] |
Sun, 18 July 2021 19:11  |
hertfordnc
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I just took it for a ride and snuck across the scale and the grain bin (they leave it on)
It was 10,100. Gross weight for a 23-footer 10,500,right? I was surprised to find it so heavy.
It might have a full water tank. other tanks are empty Most of the cabinetry is original, lots of things are probably lighter than the original like the fridge and cooktop.
What am i missing
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: Birchaven weighs 10,100 ? [message #365519 is a reply to message #365518] |
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Matt Colie
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hertfordnc wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:11I just took it for a ride and snuck across the scale and the grain bin (they leave it on)
It was 10,100. Gross weight for a 23-footer 10,500,right? I was surprised to find it so heavy.
It might have a full water tank. other tanks are empty Most of the cabinetry is original, lots of things are probably lighter than the original like the fridge and cooktop.
What am i missing
Dave,
Maybe nothing. My 73-23 tipped a truck scale at 9480 years ago with full water and fuel. This is on the light side and I am sure that it is heavier now. All of our interior is plywood and not particle board. I don't know about Coachmen.
Matt
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SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| [GMCnet] Re: Birchaven weighs 10,100 ? [message #365521 is a reply to message #365519] |
Sun, 18 July 2021 19:59 |
jimk
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Birchaven interior was done by Coachman, A RV mfg and they used real wood
for the cabinets .
Also the Royal was done by them..
On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 5:37 PM Matt Colie wrote:
> hertfordnc wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:11
>> I just took it for a ride and snuck across the scale and the grain bin
> (they leave it on)
>>
>> It was 10,100. Gross weight for a 23-footer 10,500,right? I was
> surprised to find it so heavy.
>>
>> It might have a full water tank. other tanks are empty Most of the
> cabinetry is original, lots of things are probably lighter than the original
>> like the fridge and cooktop.
>>
>> What am i missing
>
> Dave,
>
> Maybe nothing. My 73-23 tipped a truck scale at 9480 years ago with full
> water and fuel. This is on the light side and I am sure that it is heavier
> now. All of our interior is plywood and not particle board. I don't know
> about Coachmen.
>
> Matt
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| [GMCnet] Re: Birchaven weighs 10,100 ? [message #365530 is a reply to message #365521] |
Mon, 19 July 2021 09:09 |
Keith V
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My 26' Ex-royale, also a coachman, weighed in at something like 11,800.
Moooooo!
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From: Jim Kanomata
Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 7:59 PM
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Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Birchaven weighs 10,100 ?
Birchaven interior was done by Coachman, A RV mfg and they used real wood
for the cabinets .
Also the Royal was done by them..
On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 5:37 PM Matt Colie wrote:
> hertfordnc wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:11
>> I just took it for a ride and snuck across the scale and the grain bin
> (they leave it on)
>>
>> It was 10,100. Gross weight for a 23-footer 10,500,right? I was
> surprised to find it so heavy.
>>
>> It might have a full water tank. other tanks are empty Most of the
> cabinetry is original, lots of things are probably lighter than the original
>> like the fridge and cooktop.
>>
>> What am i missing
>
> Dave,
>
> Maybe nothing. My 73-23 tipped a truck scale at 9480 years ago with full
> water and fuel. This is on the light side and I am sure that it is heavier
> now. All of our interior is plywood and not particle board. I don't know
> about Coachmen.
>
> Matt
> --
> Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL,
> GMCES
> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum
> Brakes with Applied Control Arms
> SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| [GMCnet] Re: Birchaven weighs 10,100 ? [message #365531 is a reply to message #365530] |
Mon, 19 July 2021 09:59 |
James Hupy
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Generally speaking, the 77 & 78 26' ROYALE'S by Coachman Industries are the
heaviest coaches. All of them that still have the Onan generators will go
over 10,000 pounds.
74, 75, 76 GMC built coaches usually are the lightweights. Many early
coaches are heavy, don't have an explanation for that.
We weighed all coaches at a GMCWS rally at Casa de Fruita, California a
few years back, and checked ride height, too. Also checked side to side
weights.
Finally stopped checking ride heights. Futile exercise. None were
correct at the rally except for 2 coaches, my 78 Royale 26' and Jerry
Work's 26' coach. Some were at least 3" or more low.
Many of the coaches were several hundred pounds over the GVW
recommended on the tags.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Oregon
On Mon, Jul 19, 2021, 7:09 AM Keith V wrote:
> My 26' Ex-royale, also a coachman, weighed in at something like 11,800.
> Moooooo!
> ________________________________
> From: Jim Kanomata
> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2021 7:59 PM
> To: gmclist@list.gmcnet.org
> Subject: [GMCnet] Re: Birchaven weighs 10,100 ?
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> Birchaven interior was done by Coachman, A RV mfg and they used real wood
> for the cabinets .
> Also the Royal was done by them..
>
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2021 at 5:37 PM Matt Colie wrote:
>
>> hertfordnc wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:11
>>> I just took it for a ride and snuck across the scale and the grain bin
>> (they leave it on)
>>>
>>> It was 10,100. Gross weight for a 23-footer 10,500,right? I was
>> surprised to find it so heavy.
>>>
>>> It might have a full water tank. other tanks are empty Most of the
>> cabinetry is original, lots of things are probably lighter than the
> original
>>> like the fridge and cooktop.
>>>
>>> What am i missing
>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Maybe nothing. My 73-23 tipped a truck scale at 9480 years ago with full
>> water and fuel. This is on the light side and I am sure that it is
> heavier
>> now. All of our interior is plywood and not particle board. I don't
> know
>> about Coachmen.
>>
>> Matt
>> --
>> Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL,
>> GMCES
>> Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum
>> Brakes with Applied Control Arms
>> SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Unsubscribe or Change List Options:
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| Re: [GMCnet] Re: Birchaven weighs 10,100 ? [message #366326 is a reply to message #365531] |
Wed, 25 August 2021 10:20 |
hertfordnc
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I'm revisiting this question because the more I think about it the more puzzled i am.
First, the scale is fairly accurate having checked it against other scales and other vehicles.
So, my 76 Birch weighs just 400 lb less than gross for a 23-footer.
Where are those pounds coming from?
Alcoas are how much lighter than steel? 200 lb total?
There is NO generator installed- there's 200 lb.
I have rear disc and quad bags, is that any heavier?
All the appliances are lighter than the originals.
The 3-burner w/ oven has been replaced with a 2 burner cooktop
All the cabinetry is lighter except for a solid surface countertop.
THe only heavy add-on would be the trailer hitch.
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Re: Birchaven weighs 10,100 ? [message #366351 is a reply to message #366326] |
Thu, 26 August 2021 00:24 |
Ken Burton
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Find yourself a State Highway weigh station that is open (or closed). Pull the whole coach on the scale and read the display. Now you will have a second weighing to compare to. Most of these state scales are "certified" frequently because drivers are given tickets and sometimes prevented from continuing in if they exceed 16,000 or 18,000 per axle.
Grain scales are usually not looking for total weight, but are instead comparing the weight going in vs. total weight leaving. No one cares if the totals are off by a few hundred pounds because they are off the same going in and leaving.
When I worked in a steel mill we weighed all trucks both in and out on each axle. The was to verify the amount loaded and also to make sure each axle was not overloaded by the steel loading location on the trailer. We had "certified" weights that had been around since the 1920s and a crane. Monthly they would drag the weights out (usually on Sunday), drop them on the scales, and re-certify them again. I do not know how they certify highway scales but I doubt it was old school as we were.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] Re: Birchaven weighs 10,100 ? [message #366352 is a reply to message #366351] |
Thu, 26 August 2021 04:30 |
hertfordnc
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Ken Burton wrote on Thu, 26 August 2021 00:24
Grain scales are usually not looking for total weight, but are instead comparing the weight going in vs. total weight leaving. No one cares if the totals are off by a few hundred pounds because they are off the same going in and leaving.
That might be possible but i ran my Excursion over it and i got 7400 lb which is what it should be and it's same weight i get with the excursion at the county landfill.
Dave & Ellen Silva
Hertford, NC
76 Birchaven, 1-ton and other stuff
Currently planning the Great american Road Trip Summer 2021
It's gonna take a lot of Adderall to get this thing right.
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