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| [GMCnet] Re: Guess what’s coming to Chez Denney [message #362963] |
Mon, 22 March 2021 22:11  |
Richard Denney
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I should have added that the elevations came from the Amish company
building the structure. The site is sloped, and the rear elevation shed
roof covers a 10x60 pad that is 42” below the level of the interior floor.
That is what makes the “loading dock” work in the Ken style. I have a
welding friend who I will get to make the ramps.
6” dead level slab under that bay, in case I ever want to install a lift.
Rick “starting to think about wiring” Denney
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:04 PM Richard Denney wrote:
> Or, how I’ve been spending my Covid home time.
>
> Plan:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p68107-new-shop.html
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> Rear:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p68105-new-shop.html
>
> Front:
>
> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p68106-new-shop.html
>
> No more losing screws in the gravel driveway.
>
> Pre-construction meeting tomorrow. Permit issued on Friday.
>
> You don’t even want to know how much this costs in Northern Virginia.
>
> Radiant heat in the floor, 2” of sprayed-on closed cell foam insulation.
>
> “Loading Dock” inspired by Ken H.
>
> Rick “ready to get back in circulation” Denney
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> --
> '73 X-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
> Northern Virginia
> Offlist email: rick at rickdenney dot com
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| [GMCnet] Re: Guess what’s coming to Chez Denney [message #362964 is a reply to message #362963] |
Tue, 23 March 2021 05:04  |
Ken Henderson
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Hey, Rick,
Wonderful!!! I'm blue with envy -- even 'tho' I'd no longer use it much.
:-)
Be sure to have "sockets" set in the floor of the "loading dock" for the
ramp support posts. Mine are, IIRC, 4" ID and 18" deep with 1-1/2" x 18"
angle iron "feet" welded across the bottom. 24" square concrete around
each of those two below the slab. Perhaps over-designed, but I don't worry
at all about the support for the front of the GMC -- I probably put the
back end of the big diesel pusher on there if I stll had it.
By the way, I tried to call you a couple of times lately with no answer.
I'll keep trying. I'm curious how the carpenter bee traps are working out
... just had to rehang mine.
Ken H.
On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:11 PM Richard Denney wrote:
> I should have added that the elevations came from the Amish company
> building the structure. The site is sloped, and the rear elevation shed
> roof covers a 10x60 pad that is 42” below the level of the interior floor.
> That is what makes the “loading dock” work in the Ken style. I have a
> welding friend who I will get to make the ramps.
>
> 6” dead level slab under that bay, in case I ever want to install a lift.
>
> Rick “starting to think about wiring” Denney
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:04 PM Richard Denney
> wrote:
>
>> Or, how I’ve been spending my Covid home time.
>>
>> Plan:
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p68107-new-shop.html
>>
>> Rear:
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p68105-new-shop.html
>>
>> Front:
>>
>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p68106-new-shop.html
>>
>> No more losing screws in the gravel driveway.
>>
>> Pre-construction meeting tomorrow. Permit issued on Friday.
>>
>> You don’t even want to know how much this costs in Northern Virginia.
>>
>> Radiant heat in the floor, 2” of sprayed-on closed cell foam insulation.
>>
>> “Loading Dock” inspired by Ken H.
>>
>> Rick “ready to get back in circulation” Denney
>>
>> --
>> '73 X-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
>> Northern Virginia
>> Offlist email: rick at rickdenney dot com
>>
> --
> '73 X-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
> Northern Virginia
> Offlist email: rick at rickdenney dot com
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| [GMCnet] Re: Guess what’s coming to Chez Denney [message #362965 is a reply to message #362964] |
Tue, 23 March 2021 06:51 |
Richard Denney
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Ken, do you have dimensions from the “dock” edge to the front supports?
I’ll probably use square tubing.
I may have to retrofit that part. Concrete contractor will start probably
week after next, but I have to run to Texas for a few weeks. My father
passed away in early January and we need to do the next round of stuff.
I’ll talk with the concrete guy this afternoon. Good guy.
I’m hammered with online stuff all day today but evenings are free. Seven
oh three six too 3 five six 6 ate.
Rick “endless online meetings these days” Denney
On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 6:05 AM Ken Henderson
wrote:
> Hey, Rick,
>
> Wonderful!!! I'm blue with envy -- even 'tho' I'd no longer use it much.
> :-)
>
> Be sure to have "sockets" set in the floor of the "loading dock" for the
> ramp support posts. Mine are, IIRC, 4" ID and 18" deep with 1-1/2" x 18"
> angle iron "feet" welded across the bottom. 24" square concrete around
> each of those two below the slab. Perhaps over-designed, but I don't worry
> at all about the support for the front of the GMC -- I probably put the
> back end of the big diesel pusher on there if I stll had it.
>
> By the way, I tried to call you a couple of times lately with no answer.
> I'll keep trying. I'm curious how the carpenter bee traps are working out
> ... just had to rehang mine.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:11 PM Richard Denney
> wrote:
>
>> I should have added that the elevations came from the Amish company
>> building the structure. The site is sloped, and the rear elevation shed
>> roof covers a 10x60 pad that is 42” below the level of the interior
> floor.
>> That is what makes the “loading dock” work in the Ken style. I have a
>> welding friend who I will get to make the ramps.
>>
>> 6” dead level slab under that bay, in case I ever want to install a lift.
>>
>> Rick “starting to think about wiring” Denney
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2021 at 11:04 PM Richard Denney
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Or, how I’ve been spending my Covid home time.
>>>
>>> Plan:
>>>
>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p68107-new-shop.html
>>>
>>> Rear:
>>>
>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p68105-new-shop.html
>>>
>>> Front:
>>>
>>> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/misc/p68106-new-shop.html
>>>
>>> No more losing screws in the gravel driveway.
>>>
>>> Pre-construction meeting tomorrow. Permit issued on Friday.
>>>
>>> You don’t even want to know how much this costs in Northern Virginia.
>>>
>>> Radiant heat in the floor, 2” of sprayed-on closed cell foam
> insulation.
>>>
>>> “Loading Dock” inspired by Ken H.
>>>
>>> Rick “ready to get back in circulation” Denney
>>>
>>> --
>>> '73 X-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
>>> Northern Virginia
>>> Offlist email: rick at rickdenney dot com
>>>
>> --
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>> Northern Virginia
>> Offlist email: rick at rickdenney dot com
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| Re: [GMCnet] Re: Guess what’s coming to Chez Denney [message #362967 is a reply to message #362963] |
Tue, 23 March 2021 08:44 |
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RF_Burns
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Rick,
Congratulations on your shop build getting started. You have put some good thought into what you want with the KenHen pit etc.
For my heat, I put in-floor heating plus a gas space heater. This allows me to have a warm floor (about 18-20C) which gives background heat to keep the shop at about 10C in the dead of winter. When I want spend a winter day in the shop (which has been every day this year) I can turn up the space heater and bring the shop up to 18-20C in less than 20 minutes. By setting the space heater to ~6C, it provides a backup for the in-floor heat.
I had fluorescent lighting originally installed, but have added LED here and there. The LED are so much nicer and brighter, they make the fluorescent look dim. I'll be converting the fluorescent fixtures to LED soon. Don't forget a couple outside RV plug-ins for visitors!
Take lots of construction pictures so you can see where things are behind the walls in the future! And of course post some for the rest of us!
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/g6483-the-murray-gets-a-home.html
Bruce Hislop
ON Canada
77PB, 455 Dick P. rebuilt, DynamicEFI EBL EFI & ESC.
1 ton front end
http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showphoto.php?photo=29001
My Staff says I never listen to them, or something like that
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| [GMCnet] Re: Guess what’s coming to Chez Denney [message #363017 is a reply to message #362963] |
Wed, 24 March 2021 09:58 |
Richard Denney
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Trying again with more trimmage. I do not like the way Gmail makes it
difficult to trim (or even see) quotes.
Les, I can't help, unfortunately. That system was installed by the guy that
built the house in 1979, and we didn't move into it until 2002. That system
had long been abandoned. My understanding from talking to him was that the
system needed more than 10 GPM from a well, and the well couldn't keep up.
They actually ended up drilling another well, and used the old well for
irrigation. I have not used the old well in many years because the pump
needs to be replaced and I don't need it enough to spend the coupla grand
that would take. (I don't need it at all, actually, though that may change
with my new-found interest in agriculture :)
The new well flows 9-10 GPM, which is abundant for normal residential
purposes.
I've since replaced the forced-air system, and had to redesign a bunch of
it. When they retrofit it into the house, they had the evaporator coil
mounted upstream of the air handler, used inadequate filtration, and had it
mounted so the flow was going the wrong direction (i.e., they mounted it
"upright" to preserve the condensate drain configuration but the duct they
mounted it in was a downdraft return-air duct). I removed the old A coil
evaporator and installed an N-coil evaporator right above the furnace air
handler where it should be. The AC is a hybrid-heat system--heat pump
supplemented by a propane-fired furnace when the ambient temperatures are
below 36 degrees. It's efficient, but the supply ducts in the house are not
properly sized and the upstairs gets hot in the summer. Then, there's the
total lack of insulation between the unconditioned attic and the upstairs
bedrooms, even though the roof of the attic is insulated with R24 batts. I
need to close off the gable vents altogether (which aren't needed even
now), finish the interior paneling in the attic to divorce it from the
ridge vents, and then put in a small air-conditioner up there to condition
the attic space. My Covid hobby last spring was building a proper staircase
to the attic--but our house is architect-designed and it's all too strange
to describe.
Rick "who has laid eyes just once on that underground 3500-gallon tank"
Denney
>
> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 6:44 AM Les Burt wrote:
>
>> Rick,
>> I’m extremely curious to know more about your failed geothermal system.
>> I’m in the planning/designing stages for a well-sourced (open loop) system
>> here at home, and have been researching the subject. Knowing more about
>> your system might help me avoid a few issues with mine.
>>
>> From your description, it sounds as though your well would run out of
>> water. This is typically caused by no return line back to the source. A
>> simple solution would be to return the water used by the geothermal back
>> into the same well. By doing so, the well never runs dry, and the water
>> table is usually large enough that the water temp is barely affected. This
>> is becoming a common practice in some areas, but most installers prefer
>> closed-loop due to higher profits and lower maintenance for the owner.
>>
>> If you are willing to discuss this in more detail, We can continue here,
>> take it to email, or even a phone call.
>> Just let me know.
>>
>> Les Burt
>> Montreal
>> '75 Eleganza 26'
>>
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> Northern Virginia
> Offlist email: rick at rickdenney dot com
>
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| [GMCnet] Re: Guess what’s coming to Chez Denney [message #363020 is a reply to message #363017] |
Wed, 24 March 2021 10:54 |
GMC.LES
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Rick,
It sounds like I could learn a bit about “what not to do” from studying your house construction. Unfortunately I also live in a house designed and built by a PO. Lots of good, and lots of bad. After 27 years in the place, I’ve managed to correct the worst of the worst, and learned how to live with the rest. As I approach retirement, I’m now focusing on creature comforts as well as added value improvements.
Thanks again for sharing details.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
> On Mar 24, 2021, at 10:59 AM, Richard Denney wrote:
>
> Trying again with more trimmage. I do not like the way Gmail makes it
> difficult to trim (or even see) quotes.
>
> Les, I can't help, unfortunately. That system was installed by the guy that
> built the house in 1979, and we didn't move into it until 2002. That system
> had long been abandoned. My understanding from talking to him was that the
> system needed more than 10 GPM from a well, and the well couldn't keep up.
> They actually ended up drilling another well, and used the old well for
> irrigation. I have not used the old well in many years because the pump
> needs to be replaced and I don't need it enough to spend the coupla grand
> that would take. (I don't need it at all, actually, though that may change
> with my new-found interest in agriculture :)
>
> The new well flows 9-10 GPM, which is abundant for normal residential
> purposes.
>
> I've since replaced the forced-air system, and had to redesign a bunch of
> it. When they retrofit it into the house, they had the evaporator coil
> mounted upstream of the air handler, used inadequate filtration, and had it
> mounted so the flow was going the wrong direction (i.e., they mounted it
> "upright" to preserve the condensate drain configuration but the duct they
> mounted it in was a downdraft return-air duct). I removed the old A coil
> evaporator and installed an N-coil evaporator right above the furnace air
> handler where it should be. The AC is a hybrid-heat system--heat pump
> supplemented by a propane-fired furnace when the ambient temperatures are
> below 36 degrees. It's efficient, but the supply ducts in the house are not
> properly sized and the upstairs gets hot in the summer. Then, there's the
> total lack of insulation between the unconditioned attic and the upstairs
> bedrooms, even though the roof of the attic is insulated with R24 batts. I
> need to close off the gable vents altogether (which aren't needed even
> now), finish the interior paneling in the attic to divorce it from the
> ridge vents, and then put in a small air-conditioner up there to condition
> the attic space. My Covid hobby last spring was building a proper staircase
> to the attic--but our house is architect-designed and it's all too strange
> to describe.
>
> Rick "who has laid eyes just once on that underground 3500-gallon tank"
> Denney
>
>
>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 6:44 AM Les Burt wrote:
>>>
>>> Rick,
>>> I’m extremely curious to know more about your failed geothermal system.
>>> I’m in the planning/designing stages for a well-sourced (open loop) system
>>> here at home, and have been researching the subject. Knowing more about
>>> your system might help me avoid a few issues with mine.
>>>
>>> From your description, it sounds as though your well would run out of
>>> water. This is typically caused by no return line back to the source. A
>>> simple solution would be to return the water used by the geothermal back
>>> into the same well. By doing so, the well never runs dry, and the water
>>> table is usually large enough that the water temp is barely affected. This
>>> is becoming a common practice in some areas, but most installers prefer
>>> closed-loop due to higher profits and lower maintenance for the owner.
>>>
>>> If you are willing to discuss this in more detail, We can continue here,
>>> take it to email, or even a phone call.
>>> Just let me know.
>>>
>>> Les Burt
>>> Montreal
>>> '75 Eleganza 26'
>>>
>>
>> --
>> '73 X-Glacier 230 "Jaws"
>> Northern Virginia
>> Offlist email: rick at rickdenney dot com
>>
>
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