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Wed, 09 December 2020 14:14  |
boybach
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Hi - New owner of a 1977 Palm Beach, bought it sight unseen,  just on the photos from the PO and a few conversations ...Coach started life in Bakersfield California before coming to Canada about 10 years ago.
Has made 2 Trans-Canada Trips in last couple of years and was garaged all its life. Will take delivery in April 2021 as coach is stored on the other side of the Rocky Mountains for the winter.
Apparently it's all original inside - green plaid and white but may need some carpet replaced, otherwise everything is fine. It only has 39,000 miles on the clock. Outside has a rather modern vinyl wrap flash but I understand original finish was green.
So here I am, a new proud owner beginning his journey with the best classic RV out there!
Larry - Victoria BC -
1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
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| Re: [GMCnet] New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360656 is a reply to message #360654] |
Wed, 09 December 2020 16:10  |
Randy Hecht
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Outstanding!
Randy Hecht
Roswell, GA
1974 Canyon Lakes GMC Motor-coach
> On Dec 9, 2020, at 15:15, twlldeen--- via Gmclist wrote:
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> Hi - New owner of a 1977 Palm Beach, bought it sight unseen, :roll: just on the photos from the PO and a few conversations ...Coach started life in
> Bakersfield California before coming to Canada about 10 years ago.
> Has made 2 Trans-Canada Trips in last couple of years and was garaged all its life. Will take delivery in April 2021 as coach is stored on the other
> side of the Rocky Mountains for the winter.
>
> Apparently it's all original inside - green plaid and white but may need some carpet replaced, otherwise everything is fine. It only has 39,000 miles
> on the clock. Outside has a rather modern vinyl wrap flash but I understand original finish was green.
>
> So here I am, a new proud owner beginning his journey with the best classic RV out there!
> --
> 1977 Palm Beach
> 39,000 original miles so far
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| Re: [GMCnet] New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360657 is a reply to message #360656] |
Wed, 09 December 2020 17:25 |
Bruce Hart
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Why the aargh than?
On Wed, Dec 9, 2020 at 3:10 PM Randy Hecht via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Outstanding!
>
> Randy Hecht
> Roswell, GA
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> 1974 Canyon Lakes GMC Motor-coach
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>> On Dec 9, 2020, at 15:15, twlldeen--- via Gmclist gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hi - New owner of a 1977 Palm Beach, bought it sight unseen, :roll:
> just on the photos from the PO and a few conversations ...Coach started
> life in
>> Bakersfield California before coming to Canada about 10 years ago.
>> Has made 2 Trans-Canada Trips in last couple of years and was garaged
> all its life. Will take delivery in April 2021 as coach is stored on the
> other
>> side of the Rocky Mountains for the winter.
>>
>> Apparently it's all original inside - green plaid and white but may need
> some carpet replaced, otherwise everything is fine. It only has 39,000 miles
>> on the clock. Outside has a rather modern vinyl wrap flash but I
> understand original finish was green.
>>
>> So here I am, a new proud owner beginning his journey with the best
> classic RV out there!
>> --
>> 1977 Palm Beach
>> 39,000 original miles so far
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| Re: [GMCnet] New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360660 is a reply to message #360657] |
Wed, 09 December 2020 18:53 |
boybach
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>why the aargh?
Only because I know absolutely nothing about motorhome systems/maintainance or the ways of RV's in general... I'm sure there's lots to know though ....
I wanna (and have to) learn tho!
Thinking about picking up the training tapes, good idea?
larry
Larry - Victoria BC -
1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
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| Re: New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360663 is a reply to message #360654] |
Wed, 09 December 2020 19:55 |
Ken Burton
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Just hang around here and ask a lot of questions. There is lot of technical expertise here from Canada, US, Germany, Australia any maybe a few more that I have forgotten. Be careful on "just have to have" upgrades / improvements. As you move away from stock configurations it becomes more difficult to remotely help and diagnose some issues.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360670 is a reply to message #360656] |
Wed, 09 December 2020 21:39 |
Rob
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I missed the part of this thread about the new owner being on Vancouver Island (it’s listed on the web forum)...
We’re a pretty small “club” here on the island - it’s a rare sight to pass another on the highway! Having said that - I *have* come across others in my travels!
There are some here that consider Facebook a bad word - but if you’re on FB, several of the groups (yes, “groups”) are really quite good.
When things start getting back to normal - perhaps we can chat more!
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
> On Dec 9, 2020, at 7:09 PM, Shawn Harris via Gmclist wrote:
> Boybach,
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> Congrats on the purchase of the coolest motorhome ever built. Welcome to the cult.
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> You will soon find out this is one of the best forums you've ever been part of. Amazing knowledge here.
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> I'm just over the water in North Vancouver. I also have a '77 Palm beach, as well as a spare '78.
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> Although not quite done, I have rebuilt mine essentially "frame off" with the guidance of many good people on here.
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> I can save you a lot of time and trouble sourcing parts, researching etc with a quick text. I also know other owners close to you who will help you
> out in person if need be.
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> Shoot me a text with even the silliest questions. I know every nut and bolt on your coach :)
>
> Shawn
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> 778-five eight o-5161
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> Good luck and have fun.
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>
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> Shawn Harris
> North Vancouver,
> Canada
> 1977 Palm Beach 403
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| Re: New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360671 is a reply to message #360654] |
Wed, 09 December 2020 22:35 |
Scott Nutter
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Welcome to the GMC! You are going to love it.
Take Shawn up on his text/tele offer. Have a few beers ready, GMC conversations can take awhile! And the conversation is free. That’s why we all here are better that lawyers!
Scott.
Scott Nutter
1978 Royale Center Kitchen, Patterson 455, switch pitch tranny, 3.21 final drive, Quad bags, Dave Lenzi super duty mid axle disc brakes, tankless water heater, everything Lenzi. Alex Ferrera installed MSD Atomic EFI
Houston, Texas
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| Re: [GMCnet] New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360678 is a reply to message #360675] |
Thu, 10 December 2020 07:49 |
Rob
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Larry:
If you are looking for RV storage - you may want to give yourself a
little extra time to find a spot.
I've got a semi-permanent place out near the Waddling Dog - but I've had
issues finding open spots in the past! I suspect this year's RV surge
may make things even tighter?
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2020-12-09 11:34 p.m., twlldeen--- via Gmclist wrote:
> Thanks all for all the tips and offers to help guys, - I'm also in Victoria BC and the next couple of months will be spent looking for a place to park
> it when it gets here ... :lol:
>
> Larry
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| Re: New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360681 is a reply to message #360654] |
Thu, 10 December 2020 09:43 |
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Matt Colie
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Boy bach,
Welcome to the group, family, cult, asylum......
You possibly do not realize this, but just by showing up here with a sincere (I hope) interest in the TZEs, you have inherited a few thousand new old friends. The are literally millions of accumulated miles and I can't even guess how many years of experience that you can draw from here. One of the few ways to annoy this group is to not take the advice as offered.
On the subject of specific knowledge, if you do not have all the technical and service data you might like to have, it is all available free for download at the GMCMI site. Or, you can join GMCMI and get it all on a cleverly identifiable thumb drive.
Speaking of free advice, Facebook is an amazing place (that I have recently abandon), be absolutely certain to confirm any advice or information you get there. As said, I only go there now for the market place (and when I find the cheap/light trailer I want that will end). The unfortunate thing is that I have seen of two salvageable coaches go to scrap when owners took the wrong advice. Both owners took advice that (predictably) caused their coach to fail on the road and both were given to the towing company for the towing bill. A third was recently lost to some kind of a legal claim that I did not follow in detail.
Please do both us and you a favor here. You have the start of a sigfile and that beats nothing. We like to know who we are helping and not feel stupid when we meet. So, please either include a real name in your sigfile or sign off with it. You did include that it is a 77PB and that is good, but in this case, it would be great if you added a note as to if it is a 403 or 455. That is just the beginning as they are far from all being alike. This can matter to some of the advice you might get here. While you did mention it, to include that you are on Vancouver Island, it would be good to include that as well. As you go along you will hear from others that do not know this and so make offer information or assistance that cannot apply.
Now that you are here, be aware that this is a helping and supportive community the likes of which are very rare. They are why you will soon discover that the coach is more than just a big new toy. It ties you into a community that can provide amazing power when and if you need it. There is a publication on the GMCMI website called the Black List. It is not a "Black" list, it was named so for the owner that started it. If you go so far as to get off the island (where you have friends already), carry a printed copy. I suggest a hard copy because when things go bad, they can go really bad really fast and paper works when the lights go out.
As said, this community is helping and supportive on a scale you may find daunting, but do not be put off and do not be afraid to ask for help. You may not even have to ask. I have had to, and it is wonderful to know it is there. It is also very rewarding to be the help when needed.
This community is so much like my own world of the watermen, that I have taken to welcoming new owners here much as you might be welcomed there. So,
May the Good Lord bless this coach and all those that set forth within her.
Welcome Boy bach
Matt
Matt & Mary Colie - Chaumière -'73 Glacier 23 - Members GMCMI, GMCGL, GMCES
Electronically Controlled Quiet Engine Cooling Fan with OE Rear Drum Brakes with Applied Control Arms
SE Michigan - Near DTW - Twixt A2 and Detroit
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| Re: [GMCnet] New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360683 is a reply to message #360678] |
Thu, 10 December 2020 12:28 |
boybach
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Hey Rob - I've got til April to find a parking spot so I'm hoping that's enough time  but in this city, who knows! 
My coach has out-of-province plates ATM, registered/insured in Ontario and it's sitting up in the North Okanagan in storage paid till April. I have a couple of options; the PO has offered to drive it down in the spring for $500 or I can go up there and bring her down myself. Whatever I do, I have to get it inspected and registered in BC ... hopefully I can get the Ontario Sales tax refunded as I'll have to pay BC Sales tax too when I put the plates on her ...all in all, that's a 25% hit if I can't get a refund!
A few of my fishing buddies (who are already planning summer fishing destinations) have offered to drive me up there and do a two-in-the-coach and two-following-in-the-truck bring her home trip, so that's an option too.
I have the PO's assurance that she's in good running condition as he just drove her out from Ontario this summer.
BTW there's another of our coaches sitting in a driveway on Pendergast St. in the Cook st Village - I tried to buy that one at first, but the owners were adamant on keeping it and planning a cross-country trip this summer. Luckily mine showed up a few days later and I think it was probably a better buy, but as I've only got photos and phone conversations to go on, that remains to be seen!
all the best and hope to run into you soon!
Larry
Larry - Victoria BC -
1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
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| Re: New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360684 is a reply to message #360681] |
Thu, 10 December 2020 12:55 |
boybach
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Matt Colie wrote on Thu, 10 December 2020 07:43Boy bach,
Welcome to the group, family, cult, asylum......
You possibly do not realize this, but just by showing up here with a sincere (I hope) interest in the TZEs, you have inherited a few thousand new old friends. The are literally millions of accumulated miles and I can't even guess how many years of experience that you can draw from here. One of the few ways to annoy this group is to not take the advice as offered.
Welcome Boy bach
Matt
Hey Matt - I'm all about getting advice so no problem there!
I've bookmarked all the sites you and our other posters have recommended and I'm working my way through them, thinking of printing a bunch of it out and making up a binder to keep aboard - as I haven't stepped into my coach as yet I don't even know if the owner's manual or any paperwork comes with it. Next time I call the PO I'll ask if there's any literature still with her.
I'm probably going to join GMCMI and get that thumb drive you mentioned - Thanks!
As far as facebook advice goes, well, I'm a veteran member of several classic Jaguar forums so as you can imagine I've been around the block a few times and many pinches of salt have been dished out over the years. I don't have facebook anyway, so I guess that's a moot point!
I'll add more to my siggie when I find out, get the transfer papers in hand etc, ATM I don't know what engine is in her or much of anything else, all I have are the photos and a hole in my bank account! 
Thanks again for the welcome an I don't find the community response daunting; quite the opposite! It's great to know that help is just a few clicks away and from my experience with my "other classic" my old Jaguar saloon, the forum help has enabled me to keep the old car on the road as a daily driver for the past ten years. I had no clue about them when I bought that too, but now know every little nut and bolt. These days, instead of always asking, I do a lot of answering too!
A couple of forum related asks ...
how do I display a flag next to my username and what are the karma ratings?
Thanks again for the warm welcome, will update everything as I get more info!
Larry
Larry - Victoria BC -
1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
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| Re: [GMCnet] New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360685 is a reply to message #360683] |
Thu, 10 December 2020 12:43 |
Olly Schmidt
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On 10.12.20 19:28, twlldeen--- via Gmclist wrote:
> A few of my fishing buddies (who are already planning summer fishing
> destinations) have offered to drive me up there and do a
> two-in-the-coach and two-following-in-the-truck bring her home trip,
> so that's an option too.
Always the most fun option!
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Best regards
Olly Schmidt
PGP KeyID: 0x4196BF22
'76a 26' Eleganza II - Virginia, US
'73 23' Sequoia - Schleswig-Holstein, Germany
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| Re: [GMCnet] New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360687 is a reply to message #360662] |
Thu, 10 December 2020 13:04 |
boybach
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bdub wrote on Wed, 09 December 2020 17:12They're Dealer training tapes. Wouldn't really help you the way you think.
Best to follow the links at www.bdub.net. Bring a sandwich. 
bdub
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Advice taken and noted! Thanks!
Don't have transfer papers yet so don't know vin, engine size etc. Pretty sure it's a 77 and that's about it. I only knew it was a Palm Beach model because I saw part of the decal in one of the photos
will update as soon as I know more ...
Larry
Larry - Victoria BC -
1977 ex-Palm Beach "Ol' Leaky" 40,000 miles, PO said everything working but forgot the word NOT. Atwood helium fridge, water heater & furnace. SS exhaust system, Onan, Iota Converter, R134A, New fuel lines & heat exchange hoses
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| Re: [GMCnet] New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360688 is a reply to message #360683] |
Thu, 10 December 2020 13:13 |
Rob
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FYI: When I brought my GMC into BC from Oregon - there was no "out of province" inspection required. See here:
https://www.icbc.com/vehicle-registration/buy-vehicle/Pages/Importing-a-vehicle-into-B-C.aspx
See "Vehicles exempted from the B.C. pre-registration safety inspection" - "vehicles with a net weight of 3501 kg or more"
It's hard to believe - but that's the rule!
I've never bought a vehicle in Ontario - but in many cases you don't have to pay sales tax until you register the vehicle (which I doubt you'll be doing in ON). Have you already paid ON sales tax?
Coming from the North Okanagan is a pretty easy run to the island - coming down the Trans-Canada, especially if you take your time. The Coquihalla is steep in places, as is the route through Pemberton.
I've seen most of the GMC's locally - I'll have to run down and look at the one on Pendergast...
Rob
76 Royale Twin Beds, Dry Bath
Victoria, BC
> On Dec 10, 2020, at 10:28 AM, twlldeen--- via Gmclist wrote:
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> Hey Rob - I've got til April to find a parking spot so I'm hoping that's enough time :) but in this city, who knows! 8o
>
> My coach has out-of-province plates ATM, registered/insured in Ontario and it's sitting up in the North Okanagan in storage paid till April. I have a
> couple of options; the PO has offered to drive it down in the spring for $500 or I can go up there and bring her down myself. Whatever I do, I have to
> get it inspected and registered in BC ... hopefully I can get the Ontario Sales tax refunded as I'll have to pay BC Sales tax too when I put the
> plates on her ...all in all, that's a 25% hit if I can't get a refund!
>
> A few of my fishing buddies (who are already planning summer fishing destinations) have offered to drive me up there and do a two-in-the-coach and
> two-following-in-the-truck bring her home trip, so that's an option too.
>
> I have the PO's assurance that she's in good running condition as he just drove her out from Ontario this summer.
>
> BTW there's another of our coaches sitting in a driveway on Pendergast St. in the Cook st Village - I tried to buy that one at first, but the owners
> were adamant on keeping it and planning a cross-country trip this summer. Luckily mine showed up a few days later and I think it was probably a better
> buy, but as I've only got photos and phone conversations to go on, that remains to be seen!
>
> all the best and hope to run into you soon!
>
> Larry
> --
> Larry - Victoria BC -
>
> 1977 Palm Beach - 39,000 original miles so far
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| Re: [GMCnet] New owner - total newbie to the GMC motorhome ..aargh! [message #360691 is a reply to message #360656] |
Thu, 10 December 2020 13:56 |
James Hupy
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Especially over the Coc. That can be dicey in the summer. Not my preferred
route. We come to GMC land. The GMC Cascaders have a bunch of members in
B.C. as well as a few on Vancouver Island. Great club. Check us out when
you have time.
Jim Hupy, Past President, GMC CASCADERS.
SALEM, OREGON
On Thu, Dec 10, 2020, 11:35 AM Gerard Hickey via Gmclist <
gmclist@list.gmcnet.org> wrote:
> Not only the most fun option, but probably your safest option too. You
> really don't know what the condition is of the coach and while the PO
> has sworn to you that it is in good operating condition, you can not
> count on that until you have really investigated and experienced it for
> yourself.
>
> When I bought my coach, the PO made the same claims and then I come to
> find that the vent lines on the gas tanks were cracked so I was spewing
> gas all over the pavement when I filled up. Can not tell me that the PO
> did not know about this problem! After getting the tires replaced it
> drove like I was on a beach ball. Went to go get an alignment and then
> ended up having to replace all the front end bushings. Debatable as to
> if the PO knew about this or not.
>
> Anyway, the message here is it would be good to have a friend or two
> along especially if there is a chase vehicle. Especially on the maiden
> voyage. In the event that something happens and you need to get parts
> for a repair or even just to find help the chase vehicle will be well
> worth the time and effort. With any luck the PO is giving you an
> accurate description of the condition and you will have no problems for
> many years.
>
> Good luck!
>
> --
> Gerard Hickey / WTØF IRLP:3067/Echolink:529661
> hickey@kinetic-compute.com DMR: 3102272
> 425-395-4554
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> On 12/10/20 10:43 AM, Olly Schmidt via Gmclist wrote:
>> On 10.12.20 19:28, twlldeen--- via Gmclist wrote:
>>> A few of my fishing buddies (who are already planning summer fishing
>>> destinations) have offered to drive me up there and do a
>>> two-in-the-coach and two-following-in-the-truck bring her home trip,
>>> so that's an option too.
>> Always the most fun option!
>>
>
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