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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wonder [message #110063 is a reply to message #110061] |
Tue, 28 December 2010 21:56   |
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USAussie
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Michael,
I'm confused!
Here's what you noted at the end of your very first message:
"I did notice that when driving straight if I move the wheel to the left or
right it has a good amount of play."
It would be helpful for us to know how much "a good amount of play" is.
This will help us determine if the problem is in the steering or not.
1) Put a piece of tape at the 12:00 position
2) Start your coach
2) Turn the steering wheel to the left
3) Measure how far you can turn it to the left before the wheels begin to
turn
4) Return the wheel to the center
5) Turn the steering wheel to the right
6) Measure how far you can turn it to the right before the wheels begin to
turn
Let us know what you find.
Thanks,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
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[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Road Wonder
changed tire pressure to 60 lbs today all round. I'm guessing having the
tire pressure to high over exaggerated the problem. However the problem is
still there. Just not as pronounced. I'm still guessing its something in the
rear.
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Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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| Re: Road Wonder [message #110064 is a reply to message #109821] |
Tue, 28 December 2010 22:13 |
RadioActiveGMC
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I'll be glad to test that out for you and report back.
I can only go with my gut feeling it just feels like the back end is bucking like a horse.
I'll measure as you stated. But with the lower tire pressure today it just feels more like something in the rear is causing it to buck a little like a horse. I can't describe it.
I'm going to pull the rear wheels and see if I can check the bearings.
Steve F said he'd help me look at things when he heads up to the fairgrounds, its driving me nuts. But I'm sure its fixable!
I wish I has a experienced GMC owner nearby to drive it. I'm certain a person with a few miles under his belt could understand the issue more then I can describe it.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: Road Wonder [message #110141 is a reply to message #109821] |
Wed, 29 December 2010 17:39 |
RadioActiveGMC
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Alcoas with new tires....yes I really look forward to the help a lot. I don't mind working hard on this but having someone who really knows exactly what he's looking for will make the job a whole lot easier. Its amazing the kind folks on this forum. Its unlike any other out there I've come across. Its worth owning a GMC just for the support!
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wonder [message #110145 is a reply to message #110141] |
Wed, 29 December 2010 18:07 |
jayrabe
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I'd been looking at a variety of MH's for about 6mo before discovering the GMC, and shortly after found the GMCnet. Without a doubt the net community, with literally centuries of accumulated knowledge, with people completely in love with, if not obsessed by, the GMC was the thing that convinced me, a non-mechanic without a big budget, to risk putting $15k (going on $30k+) into ownership of a 30 yr-old vehicle.
Well, that and I was in love with it too. :-)
Thanks again to you all. And Happy New Year!
J
76 PB
Portland, OR
> From: radioactive626@msn.com
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> Its amazing the kind folks on this forum. Its unlike any other out there I've come across. Its worth owning a GMC just for the support!
> ***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
> Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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| Re: Road Wonder [message #110163 is a reply to message #109821] |
Wed, 29 December 2010 19:48 |
RadioActiveGMC
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Carlo- I'll have to report back to the forum but you maybe on to something.
First a little history. My vehicle blew up (total engine failure) within a few miles of buying it. Hence I'm always worried that something "horrible" is going to happen.
The steering gear box was also beat, replaced and adjusted poorly.
All 6 shocks were beat then replaced.
My air ride was beat so I never knew ride height. I WAY over inflated the bags for mths.
Then my front bearing gave out (while having the uncorrected steering box, and way to high pressure tires and airbags way over inflated), and the passenger side took out the knuckle as well. More white knuckle driving till figured out.
Then got the new tires and the shop inflated them to 80 lbs and until yest I had never adjusted them otherwise. I bounced down the interstate cause of it and constantly over corrected cause of the way off tire pressure. Now I have adjusted the pressures.
Today I took it for a semi good highway drive. I thought about what you said changing tire pressure and then adjusting your driving. I too drive a very small powerful sports car.
I relaxed everytime a big truck came, I only tiny adjusted my steering wheel when I felt a rut or uneven surface and this time I had much more success.
I thinking after having such a long history of serious issues with drive quality maybe one of the biggest hurdles I have now is having more confidence that things are better. Things seemed much better after I calmed down and didn't over steer.
It maybe time to start thinking about adding true track to the mid tires. Tomorrow we leave for a 125 mile or so trip, I'm crossing my fingers and see if I'm relaxed it will go as well as it did today.
If so it maybe time for a few improvement upgrades. Otherwise I have help lined up to check it out.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wonder [message #110169 is a reply to message #110163] |
Wed, 29 December 2010 20:42 |
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USAussie
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Michael,
THIS is WHY I put together a simplified procedure for you to check your
steering and asked you to report on how much steering wheel play you had, I
was trying to find out whether you actually had a problem or if it was
"operator error" without insulting you!
Regards,
Rob M.
USAussie - Downunder
AUS '75 Avion-The Blue StreakTZE365V100428
USA '75 Avion-Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Road Wonder
Things seemed much better after I calmed down and didn't over steer.
It maybe time to start thinking about adding true track to the mid tires.
Tomorrow we leave for a 125 mile or so trip, I'm crossing my fingers and see
if I'm relaxed it will go as well as it did today.
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***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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Regards,
Rob M. (USAussie)
The Pedantic Mechanic
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
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| Re: Road Wonder [message #110170 is a reply to message #109821] |
Wed, 29 December 2010 20:55 |
RadioActiveGMC
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LOL, never worry about insulting me! I'm really glad to have this forum and its assistance. I'm not 100% sure its all better, but the first test run seemed pretty good! Thanks however for the thought I do appreciate it.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: Road Wonder [message #110181 is a reply to message #109821] |
Wed, 29 December 2010 21:48 |
RadioActiveGMC
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Heck no! Someone from the forum said they'd give me a hand.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wonder [message #110200 is a reply to message #109985] |
Thu, 30 December 2010 05:56 |
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Michael,
Everytime I have posted anything good, or questioned their ethics, I have
included them in the mailing. They won't respond by phone, and so far, they
haven't responded by email. I would suggest you BCC them on all your
emails. It's the old "one voice may not get their attention, buy many
will".
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Michael <radioactive626@msn.com> wrote:
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> Steve, I'm not sure how they actually went about it. Jerry assured me "I
> was at the right place with my GMC" when I brought it. I must admit he was
> super nice.
> Mark was nice till you question him about anything. When he gave me the
> story on the alignment you speak of his story made sense. HOWEVER when I
> called him about my issues he came up with a story that would of made sense
> to someone else who heard it but it sure was a distorted version of the real
> conversation I had with him. He spoke so rude I told him that he had no
> business talking to me like that. So I'm guessing they just take facts and
> bend them to their needs. He was SOOO mad that I called and talked to
> Jerry.Honestly 50% of what he was saying to me was truthful the other 50% of
> distorted reality.
> At this point I'm not sure what they did or how they did it. I can't get a
> answer from him and I don't know enough about the topic to really counter
> what he says.
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> Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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| Re: Road Wonder [message #110213 is a reply to message #110163] |
Thu, 30 December 2010 07:54 |
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| Mr.RadioActive wrote on Wed, 29 December 2010 17:48 |
Carlo- I'll have to report back to the forum but you maybe on to something.
...Then got the new tires and the shop inflated them to 80 lbs and until yest I had never adjusted them otherwise. I bounced down the interstate cause of it and constantly over corrected cause of the way off tire pressure. Now I have adjusted the pressures.
Today I took it for a semi good highway drive. I thought about what you said changing tire pressure and then adjusting your driving. I too drive a very small powerful sports car.
I relaxed everytime a big truck came, I only tiny adjusted my steering wheel when I felt a rut or uneven surface and this time I had much more success.
I thinking after having such a long history of serious issues with drive quality maybe one of the biggest hurdles I have now is having more confidence that things are better. Things seemed much better after I calmed down and didn't over steer.
It maybe time to start thinking about adding true track to the mid tires. Tomorrow we leave for a 125 mile or so trip, I'm crossing my fingers and see if I'm relaxed it will go as well as it did today.
If so it maybe time for a few improvement upgrades. Otherwise I have help lined up to check it out.
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Michael,
Great news so far! Yes, I'd agree that I focused too much on staying in the lane and moving over a bit for the trucks, and yes I'll admit I was nervous and tense driving the coach for the first 500-1000 miles. It was not fun. My two others vehicles that are driven regularly are a Camaro and a Mustang, and I had to "forget" those cars while drivin the GMC. I had to forget the size an width of the RV on the highway, but most of all let it wander a tiny bit without correcting, and the steering wheel will start to feel ok. It takes miles, but after the point of realizing you have been tense and overcorrecting it comes to you pretty quickly. Hopefully this WAS the problem and there are no major issues causing the vibration.
Giovanni(Carlo) 1977 GMC Kingsley 26ft
"Carbon Footprint"
Rear Twin, Dry Bath, Original Headliner
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| Re: Road Wonder [message #110219 is a reply to message #109821] |
Thu, 30 December 2010 09:15 |
RadioActiveGMC
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Steve, Mark at Spectrac was rude enough to actually say if the GMC was such a good motorhome then it wouldn't of been discontinued. He actually said it we'll known for its poor drive quality due to the size of its wheelbase. He went on to say that if it were so good then GMC would of brought them back. Once he told me if suspension work was so easy why can't I do it myself. Jerry has never been like that, hes been polite and nice. Mark on the other hand it another story. I clearly remember him telling me he did a 6 wheel alignment. I know its buyer beware. And Im learning as I go along. But he knew I knew nothing about this and charged me $230 for a 2 wheel alignment. He said it was so expensive because they had to test drive it 4 times.
***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Onans smell, "Go solar/wind power!"
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| Re: Road Wonder [message #110221 is a reply to message #110219] |
Thu, 30 December 2010 09:24 |
LNelson
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Baloney.....he is way off base. I always thought my old PB drove like a Town Car, with my elbows on the old OEM seat arms and fingertips on the steering wheel.
I do think it takes a bit of time behind the wheel to get relaxed enough to NOT fight the wheel.
Life is different for me, now, with a 22" steering wheel and 9 more feet and 12,000 more pounds. My 4106 has air assist steering (poor mans bus power steering) which I turn off when on the straight highways. With the air assist ON, I have some of the same issues as you.
His comment about why GM quit the GMC reminds me of comments made about the Piper Comanche aircraft. That model was discontinued when the flood hit Lock Haven, PA in the 70's. Piper used that excuse to shut down (and then move the rest of everything else to Vero Beach). Well, like the GMC, where folks are pulling them out of the woods and bringing them back to life, the same go's for the Comanche, still going strong 40 years after their "termination". There is a reason for this. Both examples represent superb engineering concepts, not available in new products. Just my humle opinion.
Larry Nelson Springfield, MO
Ex GMC'er, then GM Busnut
now '77 Eleganza ARS WB0JOT
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wonder [message #110224 is a reply to message #110219] |
Thu, 30 December 2010 09:49 |
Steven Ferguson
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Mike,
I hope you BCC'd Jerry with this!
Wheelbase has nothing to do with it. Mark is a parts guy and needs to stay
in his place.
The gas crisis killed the GMC.
Who knows, a couple more years of production might even have seen GM getting
a return on it's investment.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Michael <radioactive626@msn.com> wrote:
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> Steve, Mark at Spectrac was rude enough to actually say if the GMC was such
> a good motorhome then it wouldn't of been discontinued. He actually said it
> we'll known for its poor drive quality due to the size of its wheelbase. He
> went on to say that if it were so good then GMC would of brought them back.
> Once he told me if suspension work was so easy why can't I do it myself.
> Jerry has never been like that, hes been polite and nice. Mark on the other
> hand it another story. I clearly remember him telling me he did a 6 wheel
> alignment. I know its buyer beware. And Im learning as I go along. But he
> knew I knew nothing about this and charged me $230 for a 2 wheel alignment.
> He said it was so expensive because they had to test drive it 4 times.
> --
> ***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
> Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wonder [message #110227 is a reply to message #110224] |
Thu, 30 December 2010 10:06 |
Dennis S
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Michael, Steve, et al
The remarks you attributed to Mark are classic defensive-offense. The individual finds him/her self in the wrong or accused of being wrong and goes on the offense. They can make comments about you, your mother, your dog or, as in this case, some material object to throw the attention from their own error or inadequacies. It can be quite effective -- most of us want to rise to defend the GMC, even though that is not or should not be the point. The point was about questionable workmanship and overbilling.
Consider filing a BBB complaint -- I see that they have only had one in the last two years and it was resolved.
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA
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From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thu, Dec 30, 2010 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Road Wonder
Mike,
I hope you BCC'd Jerry with this!
heelbase has nothing to do with it. Mark is a parts guy and needs to stay
n his place.
he gas crisis killed the GMC.
ho knows, a couple more years of production might even have seen GM getting
return on it's investment.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Michael <radioactive626@msn.com> wrote:
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Steve, Mark at Spectrac was rude enough to actually say if the GMC was such
a good motorhome then it wouldn't of been discontinued. He actually said it
we'll known for its poor drive quality due to the size of its wheelbase. He
went on to say that if it were so good then GMC would of brought them back.
Once he told me if suspension work was so easy why can't I do it myself.
Jerry has never been like that, hes been polite and nice. Mark on the other
hand it another story. I clearly remember him telling me he did a 6 wheel
alignment. I know its buyer beware. And Im learning as I go along. But he
knew I knew nothing about this and charged me $230 for a 2 wheel alignment.
He said it was so expensive because they had to test drive it 4 times.
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***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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| Re: [GMCnet] Road Wonder [message #110231 is a reply to message #110227] |
Thu, 30 December 2010 11:15 |
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| Dennis S wrote on Thu, 30 December 2010 09:06 |
Michael, Steve, et al
The remarks you attributed to Mark are classic defensive-offense. The individual finds him/her self in the wrong or accused of being wrong and goes on the offense. They can make comments about you, your mother, your dog or, as in this case, some material object to throw the attention from their own error or inadequacies. It can be quite effective -- most of us want to rise to defend the GMC, even though that is not or should not be the point. The point was about questionable workmanship and overbilling.
Consider filing a BBB complaint -- I see that they have only had one in the last two years and it was resolved.
Dennis Sexton
73 GMC
Germantown, TN
USA
-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Ferguson <botiemad11@gmail.com>
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Sent: Thu, Dec 30, 2010 9:49 am
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] Road Wonder
Mike,
I hope you BCC'd Jerry with this!
heelbase has nothing to do with it. Mark is a parts guy and needs to stay
n his place.
he gas crisis killed the GMC.
ho knows, a couple more years of production might even have seen GM getting
return on it's investment.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:15 AM, Michael <radioactive626@msn.com> wrote:
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Steve, Mark at Spectrac was rude enough to actually say if the GMC was such
a good motorhome then it wouldn't of been discontinued. He actually said it
we'll known for its poor drive quality due to the size of its wheelbase. He
went on to say that if it were so good then GMC would of brought them back.
Once he told me if suspension work was so easy why can't I do it myself.
Jerry has never been like that, hes been polite and nice. Mark on the other
hand it another story. I clearly remember him telling me he did a 6 wheel
alignment. I know its buyer beware. And Im learning as I go along. But he
knew I knew nothing about this and charged me $230 for a 2 wheel alignment.
He said it was so expensive because they had to test drive it 4 times.
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***"Gettin There"-1973 23' Sequoia-
Michael, Casa Grande, AZ
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Michael,
I'm surprised he didn't call you a "racist" or "bigot".
Carl Stouffer
'75 ex Palm Beach
Tucson, AZ.
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