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| Re: Transmission [message #259989 is a reply to message #259812] |
Mon, 25 August 2014 06:04   |
94nubble
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94nubble wrote on Sat, 23 August 2014 11:05My side of the story.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcq6bA8HIRM&feature=youtu.be
From the Daily POSE: Breaking news-- There was a comment today on the GMCnet that "our" transmission filter kit was junk and caud\sed problems. There is no need to use names, this person goes half cocked saying things that he should investigate first. Saying that we are selling "junk" parts --- well, I cannot let that go. This is not some daily soap opera for us, this is our business & I take seriously the parts and services we offer. My only response to this is to show documentation and as much as possible investigate. Hey, we live in an imperfect world-- parts are coming from everywhere, the largest problem by far in this brave new world of parts at the lowest price possible is of course the quality. You cannot take anything for granted. OK here we go...
We changed out a transmission filter, installed a new seal and gasket. Some problem came up with the transmission and whoever looked at it reported that the transmission filter was too loose and fell out of it's position. I did not get a call about this, the orner took for granted what the mechanic said and blurted that back without looking into it. Used the name of my business saying we sold "junk " parts. OK, I'm a big boy, I'll take that but lets just look into the aligation a bit. I think you will agree with me someone is blowing smoke somewhere.
I was tempted to let my spell checker have at this but that would have spoiled the statement.
Tom McManus
1977 Royale
Chesapeake VA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission [message #260011 is a reply to message #259791] |
Mon, 25 August 2014 10:19 |
Rob
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Hey! I thought you said you were staying on the sidelines for a while!!
(I'm just kidding too... As long as you shut off your computer when Happy Hour starts, I tend to enjoy your posts!)
Rob
Victoria, BC
76 Royale - Rear Twins/Dry Bath
On 2014-08-22, at 4:50 PM, Jared wrote:
> I'll take the heat...... anyone wanna argue about Canasians again?
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> Just Kidding, hoping this gives everyone a laugh.
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> Back away from the PC... take a deep breath... go fire up the barbeque... have a beer while waiting for the burger to cook. Life is to short...
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> My humble opinion guys.
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission leak down [message #260018 is a reply to message #259655] |
Mon, 25 August 2014 11:07 |
94nubble
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Jim at the Co-op wrote on Thu, 21 August 2014 19:45Do you reallt expect me to drop into that end of the gene pook. I am shaking as I type this, sorry for the typos. This is why I bever buy or sell coaches, you are a fool to take abtones word to but somethibg! Your expectations are way too big. You should not do that. Kepp it uo, you may be surprised how mych you do not know and I don't really care. Keep your cheap Chinese crap, ARP made no mabufacturing errors, it was insralled properly and if you wan t to further deag the good name of my business, there are remedies.
I'm not going to dignify you accusations, if you can prove something we did wrong bring it on. You own your American made filter kit and your cheap Chinese junk. Tell ya what, send me the filter, I will forward it to ATP. If there is something wrong I will double the cost to you. If there is nothing weong with it you owe me an apology and $1000. Effecting the good name of a legitimate business is worth far more than that.
One big problem with this forum, people tend to believe things no matter who says it. You have way more problems that whatever you think an ATP filter did. The fact is it didn't so guys believe me wheb I say that.
Unless you don't know any better, you should drop this thread and everyone reading this thread need to not blindly follow things you read here. This thread is a perfect example. We al "lol" when we say "take it all with a grain of salt" but its so true.
An American ATP filter kit is a quality part no matter how you look at it. I don't take liability for anything on you machine, all I did was put a filter kit into it and brother that ain't rocket science. What do you think 30 something year old parts do.... they break! Yours has a pile of original parts. I know you would not bring any work to me, you would rather rig it then do it again. Just leave me out of your rant, I have others that understand the real picture.
Think before you jump, this is over.
"It isn't smart to argue with a fool, listeners can't tell which is which"
Jim Bounds
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
I just talked to Mr. Ed Perkowski the Director of Marketing and Product Management at ATP. I will be sending him the suspect filter for investigation.
Tom McManus
1977 Royale
Chesapeake VA
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| Re: Transmission [message #260150 is a reply to message #255572] |
Tue, 26 August 2014 18:54 |
dpottebaum
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I had a problem with an ATP filter too. I purchased it on 9/11/2013. Not sure when the ATP filter in question was purchased, but maybe we've bumped into some bad production runs. I never measured the neck, but it rattled around like yours did in the YouTube video. I still have the box the filter came in, but pitched the filter. Is there a batch number on the box that we could compare?
Dave Pottebaum
Bondurant, Iowa
1978 Royale
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| Re: Transmission [message #260195 is a reply to message #260150] |
Wed, 27 August 2014 05:06 |
94nubble
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dpottebaum wrote on Tue, 26 August 2014 19:54I had a problem with an ATP filter too. I purchased it on 9/11/2013. Not sure when the ATP filter in question was purchased, but maybe we've bumped into some bad production runs. I never measured the neck, but it rattled around like yours did in the YouTube video. I still have the box the filter came in, but pitched the filter. Is there a batch number on the box that we could compare?
No batch number. According to ATP, the filters are made in China and boxed here in the USA.
Tom McManus
1977 Royale
Chesapeake VA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission [message #260207 is a reply to message #260195] |
Wed, 27 August 2014 08:30 |
Jim at the Co-op
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Looks like we will have to continue to toss muddd around. Guys I'm sorry
this dirty laundry will not go away but I too have been in contact with ATP
actually talking to the same department head as you have and I will tell
you now the ATP brand B-40 transmission filters are NOT made in China and
reboxed here in the states. You don't have to take my word for it, if that
were the cast our government compels manufacturers to divulge that
information on the box or on the product itself. Look at any B-40 box,
don't really care where you get it from, the filter is not packaged in a
plastic bag, certainly not one that says "made in China". Even if it were
reboxed, you must say that. The pic of the filter shown in the plastic bag
is not an ATP filter, the one taken from his transmission was and it IS
made in the USA. These are not debatable or misinterpreted facts, they are
real.
Do not start a rumour that there is a manufacturing run defect, these
filters have been made to the exact same specifications here in the US of A
for many years, there have been no deviations in their design or
manufacture whatsoever and ATP is most interested in getting the filter we
put in the transmission to verify all of this. Since a pic has been
presented of the filter in question and it has already been visually
identified as their filter we really need to have it sent to ATP for their
first person evaluation. THAT will clear all of this up, no he said she
said-- no speculation or roumous-- just the facts mam...
Stop it, emotion got the better of you, there are no conspiracy theories
here, no defective production runs, no one trying to blitz anyone ripping
them off just an upset man because he is not treating people the way he
would like to be treated. hey, maybe he does want to be treated that way
and maybe he thinks this is the way life should be. Maybe he has to be mad
at someone all the time. Stop it, it's making you look --- well, no need
to say it. Send ATP the filter and lets getthis settled. It's pretty easy
to see through the smoke here
Jim Bounds
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On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Tom McManus wrote:
> dpottebaum wrote on Tue, 26 August 2014 19:54
>> I had a problem with an ATP filter too. I purchased it on 9/11/2013.
> Not sure when the ATP filter in question was purchased, but maybe we've
>> bumped into some bad production runs. I never measured the neck, but it
> rattled around like yours did in the YouTube video. I still have the box
>> the filter came in, but pitched the filter. Is there a batch number on
> the box that we could compare?
>
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> No batch number. According to ATP, the filters are made in China and boxed
> here in the USA.
> --
> Tom McManus
> 1973 30' Canyon Lands
> Chesapeake VA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission [message #260214 is a reply to message #260207] |
Wed, 27 August 2014 09:48 |
Jim at the Co-op
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I think I can add something that will clear up most of this. I had not
wanted to waste my time looking at the You Tube video. I did, shows I
really need to watch how sly things can be.
The reason the top edge of the filter is rounded ouff even beveled smooth
is important. You instasll the seal first in the hole of the transmission
with a little ATF on it. THEN you push in the filter. This allows the
seal to take purchase on both the pipe and the walls of the hole. This
cannot happen if you place the seal on the tube then serve it in. That
way, the seal is not in the bore of the opening. The filter cannot fall
down and with the seal not at the bottom of the opening it can do it's
job. Of course the filter install would besloppy, the seal didn't take
purchase. How can a slip in metal on metal surface hold from being sloppy,
it is not an interference fit!
The seal will not loose it's seal, there is @ 1/2 mating surface on the
pipe and the entire bore of the hole in the case.
As far as removing a filter from a clear plastic bag coming out of an ATP
filter box is totally not true. ATP does not pack their filters in a
plastic bag---- period! So really who did the filter come from-- more
importantly where did the clear plastic bag with "made in China" come from
and why was it pulled out of an ATP box?
All of this is not from what I said, this is all obvious. See a video CAN
show something other than the truth. Hope the filter has been sent to ATP,
we will get a little closer to the truth with that
Jim Bounds
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On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Jim Bounds
wrote:
> Looks like we will have to continue to toss muddd around. Guys I'm sorry
> this dirty laundry will not go away but I too have been in contact with ATP
> actually talking to the same department head as you have and I will tell
> you now the ATP brand B-40 transmission filters are NOT made in China and
> reboxed here in the states. You don't have to take my word for it, if that
> were the cast our government compels manufacturers to divulge that
> information on the box or on the product itself. Look at any B-40 box,
> don't really care where you get it from, the filter is not packaged in a
> plastic bag, certainly not one that says "made in China". Even if it were
> reboxed, you must say that. The pic of the filter shown in the plastic bag
> is not an ATP filter, the one taken from his transmission was and it IS
> made in the USA. These are not debatable or misinterpreted facts, they are
> real.
>
> Do not start a rumour that there is a manufacturing run defect, these
> filters have been made to the exact same specifications here in the US of A
> for many years, there have been no deviations in their design or
> manufacture whatsoever and ATP is most interested in getting the filter we
> put in the transmission to verify all of this. Since a pic has been
> presented of the filter in question and it has already been visually
> identified as their filter we really need to have it sent to ATP for their
> first person evaluation. THAT will clear all of this up, no he said she
> said-- no speculation or roumous-- just the facts mam...
>
> Stop it, emotion got the better of you, there are no conspiracy theories
> here, no defective production runs, no one trying to blitz anyone ripping
> them off just an upset man because he is not treating people the way he
> would like to be treated. hey, maybe he does want to be treated that way
> and maybe he thinks this is the way life should be. Maybe he has to be mad
> at someone all the time. Stop it, it's making you look --- well, no need
> to say it. Send ATP the filter and lets getthis settled. It's pretty easy
> to see through the smoke here
>
> Jim Bounds
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> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Tom McManus wrote:
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>> dpottebaum wrote on Tue, 26 August 2014 19:54
>>> I had a problem with an ATP filter too. I purchased it on 9/11/2013.
>> Not sure when the ATP filter in question was purchased, but maybe we've
>>> bumped into some bad production runs. I never measured the neck, but
>> it rattled around like yours did in the YouTube video. I still have the box
>>> the filter came in, but pitched the filter. Is there a batch number on
>> the box that we could compare?
>>
>>
>> No batch number. According to ATP, the filters are made in China and
>> boxed here in the USA.
>> --
>> Tom McManus
>> 1973 30' Canyon Lands
>> Chesapeake VA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission [message #260218 is a reply to message #260214] |
Wed, 27 August 2014 09:57 |
Jerry Wheeler
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Jim,
You are reading and responding to this thread, so I'll ask my question
about the Jasper motor I bought thru your Jasper motor program in 2006. I
did send a 3rd email to your Yahoo mail account several days ago, but,
again, you have not found the time to respond.
I pulled the plugs from this motor, which now has 6k+ miles. They were all
a nice tan color. I then did a compression check and the low cylinder was
215, the high was 230, the other 6 were either 220 or 225. My questions
are: Did you order a high compression motor for me and if so, why?? What
should I be concerned about going forward with this high compression motor??
JR Wheeler 78 Royale NC/OR
On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Jim Bounds
wrote:
> I think I can add something that will clear up most of this. I had not
> wanted to waste my time looking at the You Tube video. I did, shows I
> really need to watch how sly things can be.
>
> The reason the top edge of the filter is rounded ouff even beveled smooth
> is important. You instasll the seal first in the hole of the transmission
> with a little ATF on it. THEN you push in the filter. This allows the
> seal to take purchase on both the pipe and the walls of the hole. This
> cannot happen if you place the seal on the tube then serve it in. That
> way, the seal is not in the bore of the opening. The filter cannot fall
> down and with the seal not at the bottom of the opening it can do it's
> job. Of course the filter install would besloppy, the seal didn't take
> purchase. How can a slip in metal on metal surface hold from being sloppy,
> it is not an interference fit!
>
> The seal will not loose it's seal, there is @ 1/2 mating surface on the
> pipe and the entire bore of the hole in the case.
>
> As far as removing a filter from a clear plastic bag coming out of an ATP
> filter box is totally not true. ATP does not pack their filters in a
> plastic bag---- period! So really who did the filter come from-- more
> importantly where did the clear plastic bag with "made in China" come from
> and why was it pulled out of an ATP box?
>
> All of this is not from what I said, this is all obvious. See a video CAN
> show something other than the truth. Hope the filter has been sent to ATP,
> we will get a little closer to the truth with that
>
> Jim Bounds
> --------------------------------
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>
> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 9:30 AM, Jim Bounds
> wrote:
>
>> Looks like we will have to continue to toss muddd around. Guys I'm sorry
>> this dirty laundry will not go away but I too have been in contact with
> ATP
>> actually talking to the same department head as you have and I will tell
>> you now the ATP brand B-40 transmission filters are NOT made in China and
>> reboxed here in the states. You don't have to take my word for it, if
> that
>> were the cast our government compels manufacturers to divulge that
>> information on the box or on the product itself. Look at any B-40 box,
>> don't really care where you get it from, the filter is not packaged in a
>> plastic bag, certainly not one that says "made in China". Even if it
> were
>> reboxed, you must say that. The pic of the filter shown in the plastic
> bag
>> is not an ATP filter, the one taken from his transmission was and it IS
>> made in the USA. These are not debatable or misinterpreted facts, they
> are
>> real.
>>
>> Do not start a rumour that there is a manufacturing run defect, these
>> filters have been made to the exact same specifications here in the US
> of A
>> for many years, there have been no deviations in their design or
>> manufacture whatsoever and ATP is most interested in getting the filter
> we
>> put in the transmission to verify all of this. Since a pic has been
>> presented of the filter in question and it has already been visually
>> identified as their filter we really need to have it sent to ATP for
> their
>> first person evaluation. THAT will clear all of this up, no he said she
>> said-- no speculation or roumous-- just the facts mam...
>>
>> Stop it, emotion got the better of you, there are no conspiracy theories
>> here, no defective production runs, no one trying to blitz anyone ripping
>> them off just an upset man because he is not treating people the way he
>> would like to be treated. hey, maybe he does want to be treated that way
>> and maybe he thinks this is the way life should be. Maybe he has to be
> mad
>> at someone all the time. Stop it, it's making you look --- well, no need
>> to say it. Send ATP the filter and lets getthis settled. It's pretty
> easy
>> to see through the smoke here
>>
>> Jim Bounds
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 27, 2014 at 6:06 AM, Tom McManus wrote:
>>
>>> dpottebaum wrote on Tue, 26 August 2014 19:54
>>>> I had a problem with an ATP filter too. I purchased it on 9/11/2013.
>>> Not sure when the ATP filter in question was purchased, but maybe we've
>>>> bumped into some bad production runs. I never measured the neck, but
>>> it rattled around like yours did in the YouTube video. I still have
> the box
>>>> the filter came in, but pitched the filter. Is there a batch number
> on
>>> the box that we could compare?
>>>
>>>
>>> No batch number. According to ATP, the filters are made in China and
>>> boxed here in the USA.
>>> --
>>> Tom McManus
>>> 1973 30' Canyon Lands
>>> Chesapeake VA
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| Re: [GMCnet] Transmission [message #260315 is a reply to message #260214] |
Thu, 28 August 2014 06:22 |
94nubble
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From the daily therapy blah blah blah.
There are many more things like this that occupy the coggles of my mind. It's something confusing up there, stuff flying asll over the place. When someone as recently happened gets bogged down in petty BS it makes me wonder what they are doing and why. It's frustrating to deal with zingers like that. I appreciate the support I have been getting recently-- yea it's all grade A crud but it looks like we're doomed to wade through the stuff. Hey it's OK, we all know we are trying our best and our motiviations are just. I KNOW what I know because I am living it -- this business is not hit or miss to me-- brother I am all in--- do all you can to keep your focus and the focus of others on the hole in the middle of the donut and not on that creamy glaze! It always takes less energy to smile and more to try and steal thunder from others. You can't just walk away because if not stopped, that 5% of misbehaving people will rule our lives and THAT really would be a shame.
I am here, you are there and we both are working together, that's the way it should be. If you have a problem, solve it without grandstanding or hurting others our you will become part of the problem.
OK, enough of that-- thanks for your support, your visit this morning and being involved with the GMC community. There is one guy out there who could care less about the classic GMC, he is only interested un downing people-- you know who you are and understand I have no desire to fall into your mudpit-- no need to do that because that's not where I think any of us other people (GMC enthusiasts) want to go. If I could, I would pull these folks ability to read this page-- no let them so they can understand their wrong. There is always hope, worry about your own business because chances are if you are messing with others YOUR house is not in order...
Petty BS? I got charged a couple hundred bucks for his "services" and I spent another $70 to fix it. This could have cost me a lot more. Anyone out there got $200 to throw away?
I not "downing" anyone. People tend to do that all on their own. This started as a red flag about suspect filters, you took into the mud.
"There is one guy out there who could care less about the classic GMC, he is only interested un downing people". Tell that to the four friends I have helped in repairing their coaches this year and the twenty or so people I have sent parts to for just the shipping.
AND please get someone to show you how to use spellchecker.
Tom McManus
1977 Royale
Chesapeake VA
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| Re: Transmission [message #260332 is a reply to message #255572] |
Thu, 28 August 2014 09:14 |
jhbridges
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Well, you girls need to play nice in public. I don't always agree with the gurus here, but when I don't, I go private to find out why. Usually I find out there's a missed or lost communication, once or twice I've found out we just don't agree on some point or other - but I see no need to air out a disagreement with an individual in a forum such as this. An example - replacing the nichrome with a fixed resistor. If you do, you'll not have to worry about melting stuff in the harness the nichrome is routed through, but you'll lose the ballast effect of the nichrome. Does it matter? Prolly not but GM put the more expensive nichrome in there for a reason. That being said, one has to wonder, are the shouters trying to get satisfaction, or gat 'even'.
Easy out: share the bottle.
--johnny
Foolish Carriage, 76 26' Eleganza(?) with beaucoup mods and add - ons.
Braselton, Ga.
I forgive them all, save those who hurt the dogs. They must answer to me in hell
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| Re: Transmission [message #260341 is a reply to message #260336] |
Thu, 28 August 2014 09:53 |
GMC Cruse
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Jim Galbavy wrote on Thu, 28 August 2014 10:32johnny, I have to agree with you. ......but since all the fuss is out there, I think one way
to put this baby to bed for good would be for Tom to send the filters shown on Youtube (plus the
Youtube video and plastic "Made in China" bag ) to the same person that both parties spoke to @ ATP for evaluation. Their comments & concussions could be sent to both parties and be done with it.
jim galbavy
'73 x-CL ANNIE
Lake Mary, FL
Send the "ATP" box the China one was in also. There are a lot of counterfeit auto parts out there in brand name looking boxes. Box might be counterfeit or someone reboxed a China filter.
Also, when Jim stated "There is one guy out there who could care less about the classic GMC" , I took it that he was referring to the guy who Jim's mechanic used to work for not Tom. That's the trouble bringing up another subject from the original in a thread, you can't always be sure who or what the poster was referring to.
Mike K.
'75 PB
Southeast Michigan
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| Re: Transmission [message #260350 is a reply to message #260341] |
Thu, 28 August 2014 11:21 |
94nubble
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The bad one is going in the mail I soon as I get the RMA from APT. The other I took back to the store I bought it at for them to investigate. It was not an APT filter, but that was not the issue. The fit of the filter is the question.
Tom McManus
1977 Royale
Chesapeake VA
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