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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Refrigerators [message #60606 is a reply to message #60605] |
Sun, 18 October 2009 23:07   |
Ken Burton
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| Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 23:05 |
| mcolie wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 18:12 |
| Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 00:13 |
| WD0AFQ wrote on Sat, 17 October 2009 21:08 |
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Bob Stockholm and Doc White did a great job putting on this show. Seminars were excellent.
Dan
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yes, Except for the last one
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The presentation was good, the information was clear and complete, but having to SHOUT AT THE PRESENTER was a little issue.
I liked it.
Matt
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You could have written down your comment or questions. Then you would not have had to shout.
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LOL
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Refrigerators [message #60608 is a reply to message #60606] |
Sun, 18 October 2009 23:16 |
Ken Burton
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| Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 23:07 |
| Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 23:05 |
| mcolie wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 18:12 |
| Ken Burton wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 00:13 |
| WD0AFQ wrote on Sat, 17 October 2009 21:08 |
<snip>
Bob Stockholm and Doc White did a great job putting on this show. Seminars were excellent.
Dan
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yes, Except for the last one
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The presentation was good, the information was clear and complete, but having to SHOUT AT THE PRESENTER was a little issue.
I liked it.
Matt
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You could have written down your comment or questions. Then you would not have had to shout.
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Oh yes,
I just finished redoing the slides. I added some pictures so I don't need to remember to bring the tester or the grease if we ever do it again. I also added a summary page at the end and a few other minor things. I researched the 73 and 74 issues and found that the 73 - 74 documentation was useless. I added a picture of the wiring diagram for the house in 75-76.
I still have not found out where that ground cable that we talked about on a 73-74 connects. I appears that GM may have attached it to the steel frame and then corrected the problem in 1975.
If any of the attendees want a copy of it in .pdf format send me a note off net.
I'm also going to send it to Doc White. I think GMC Eastern States may archive it somewhere.
Ken B.
Ken Burton - N9KB
76 Palm Beach
Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Refrigerators [message #60616 is a reply to message #60593] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 00:39 |
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Hey Henderson,
One - you're NOT the average GMCer!
Two - don't be such a penurious bugger; let the Amish kid fix it! ;-)
Regards,
Rob Mueller
Sydney, Australia
'75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
'75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
'75 Avion - USA - The Parts Coach TZE 365V100324
-----Original Message-----
From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
[mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:14 PM
To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Refrigerators
So, what do you think, Dan, is cooling unit replacement a reasonable task
for the average GMCer to tackle? I suggested to Jim during the planning
that a demonstration like that would be more suitable than just a
description of how they rebuild the unit itself. I'm hoping for enough
feedback to tell me whether I should scrap the perfect Dometic 2652 I've got
that burned out its cooling unit.
Ken H.
-----Original Message-----
Leon gave us a demonstration of how he tears apart a coach refer as he had
one with him. After the tear down he opened us up for questions. I told him
about my 2 year old Norcold freezing our eggs solid on the lowest setting.
Have to try and remember to turn the dang thing off thoughout the day. He
reached into the refer he had just torn apart and gave me the part that
clips onto the fins inside. Told me to try that. I came back to the coach
and replaced mine with the one he gave me. Fixed my problem. He convinced me
that when he finishes rebuilding the "guts" of a refer that it is better
than a brand new one. I am really thankful that Erv and Doc got him to come
give us the seminar.
Dan
only gmc left at Eastern States
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Refrigerators [message #60639 is a reply to message #60616] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 07:19 |
GMCWiperMan
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Rob,
One - I resent that insult!
Two - Penurious, my eye! If it weren't for the calendar, I'd be called
Scrooge's Grandpa!
If I'd known Alan was going to visit Elkhart on his Chicago trip two
weeks ago I might have sent the box with him -- if he wanted badly
enough to replace his 4.7 cf apartment refrigerator.
Ken H.
Rob Mueller wrote:
> Hey Henderson,
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> One - you're NOT the average GMCer!
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> Two - don't be such a penurious bugger; let the Amish kid fix it! ;-)
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> Regards,
> Rob Mueller
> Sydney, Australia
> '75 Avion - AUS - The Blue Streak TZE365V100428
> '75 Avion - USA - Double Trouble TZE365V100426
> '75 Avion - USA - The Parts Coach TZE 365V100324
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org
> [mailto:gmclist-bounces@temp.gmcnet.org] On Behalf Of Ken Henderson
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:14 PM
> To: gmclist@temp.gmcnet.org
> Subject: Re: [GMCnet] GMC Refrigerators
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> So, what do you think, Dan, is cooling unit replacement a reasonable task
> for the average GMCer to tackle? I suggested to Jim during the planning
> that a demonstration like that would be more suitable than just a
> description of how they rebuild the unit itself. I'm hoping for enough
> feedback to tell me whether I should scrap the perfect Dometic 2652 I've got
> that burned out its cooling unit.
>
> Ken H.
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> -----Original Message-----
> Leon gave us a demonstration of how he tears apart a coach refer as he had
> one with him. After the tear down he opened us up for questions. I told him
> about my 2 year old Norcold freezing our eggs solid on the lowest setting.
> Have to try and remember to turn the dang thing off thoughout the day. He
> reached into the refer he had just torn apart and gave me the part that
> clips onto the fins inside. Told me to try that. I came back to the coach
> and replaced mine with the one he gave me. Fixed my problem. He convinced me
> that when he finishes rebuilding the "guts" of a refer that it is better
> than a brand new one. I am really thankful that Erv and Doc got him to come
> give us the seminar.
> Dan
> only gmc left at Eastern States
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Refrigerators [message #60687 is a reply to message #60608] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 13:38 |
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Ken Burton,
As the guy that puts the final format to the stuff and the guy with the keys
to the website, I can say, with great authority, that it will be archived.
You also seemed to have missed a comment that your presentation was "well
grounded".
From my viewpoint it was excellent. You just didn't look quite as energetic
as Leon.
Ken Henderson,
Unless you want to bend new tubing for the cooling unit, replace it,
evacuate the system, recharge it with the right ammonia/hydrogen mixture,
repack/seal the new tubing with foam then I'd suggest getting what you need
from Leon. He'll be glad to send you a rebuilt unit in exchange for your
core if you part with some of that green stuff you'll not be able to use in
the hereafter. Of course, this means your heirs will have $400 less to spend
after you're gone. So, check with them to see which is most important; their
personal wealth or your refrigerator. If you were my dad I'd let you get the
refrigerator fixed so I could enjoy the benefits now.
Byron
Ken Burton wrote:
> Oh yes,
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> I just finished redoing the slides. I added some pictures so I don't need to
> remember to bring the tester or the grease if we ever do it again. I also
> added a summary page at the end and a few other minor things. I researched
> the 73 and 74 issues and found that the 73 - 74 documentation was useless. I
> added a picture of the wiring diagram for the house in 75-76.
>
> I still have not found out where that ground cable that we talked about on a
> 73-74 connects. I appears that GM may have attached it to the steel frame and
> then corrected the problem in 1975.
>
> If any of the attendees want a copy of it in .pdf format send me a note off
> net.
>
> I'm also going to send it to Doc White. I think GMC Eastern States may
> archive it somewhere.
>
> Ken B.
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> Ken Burton - N9KB
> 76 Palm Beach
> Hebron, Indiana
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Refrigerators [message #60689 is a reply to message #60593] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 14:05 |
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[quote title=GMCWiperMan wrote on Sun, 18 October 2009 23:13]So, what do you think, Dan, is cooling unit replacement a reasonable task
for the average GMCer to tackle?
<SNIP>
Ken,
Not Dan but I would say it is a reasonable task for average GMCer to take on. I wish we could of had taken a video of what Leon did because he had the old cooling unit out in 5-10 minutes. It really isn't that hard at all and then he gave the little tips/hints on what to watch out for when you put the new unit back in. The hardest part will be taking the refigerator in and out of GMC. In fact Leon said there are times he does it right inside the motorhome with unit laying on floor. Ususally due to the fact some units will not fit out of door, not usually our problem with GMC.
Hope that helps.
Bob & Terry Stockholm
Xenia, OH
1976 PB
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Refrigerators [message #60717 is a reply to message #60687] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 18:47 |
GMCWiperMan
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If you were my son, I'd have already bought a GMC, put a good drivetrain
in it, replaced the headliner, installed a new refrigerator (albeit
small 120 vac), reworked and charged the dash air, etc., etc. And then
spent a couple of years convincing you that you need it. If that ain't
enough, just suffer 'til I'm gone. :-)
Seriously, when our X-Birch refrigerator went out because I was too slow
exercising the Dometic recall, I contacted Erv, who then visited Leon
for the first time to gather information for me. Before committing to a
repair, I found a new Dometic of the same model for only $600.
Repairing a 10 yo item for 2/3 the cost of new doesn't make a lot of
sense, IMHO. By that time I'd already installed the 120 vac unit in the
X-PB, with considerable custom cabinetry to make it look right.
Now that Alan's got the X-PB, his family has been happy with the little
unit. Before they start their planned trip "out West" next summer they
may change their minds, so I'll keep the core for them. We'll argue
then about the payment. :-)
Despite my meager contribution (request to Erv for information), I'll
take credit for initiating the refrigerator presentation. Be sure to
mention it in the credits. :-)
Ken H.
Byron Songer wrote:
> Ken Henderson,
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> ...If you were my dad I'd let you get the
> refrigerator fixed so I could enjoy the benefits now.
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> Byron
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| Re: GMC Refrigerators [message #60725 is a reply to message #60461] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 19:17 |
Chr$
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I take it you guys are all talking about the gas/elec units? My 12V/120V unit is looking to need a charge. It never really gets very cold.
-Chr$: Perpetual SmartAss
Scottsdale, AZ
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2010 Nomad 24 Ft TT 390W PV W/MPPT, EV4010 and custom cargo door.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Refrigerators [message #60727 is a reply to message #60717] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 19:27 |
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Big chuckle here. You're a real dad. Tops in my book!
Now, can we make arrangements that I assume the Henderson name and get the
other "slow to respond" guy to take mine? I come with $35,000 of my own cash
in the GMC. You could sell the other one to the new "Songer" and make money.
Nearly everybody would be happy.
Seriously, you could do the swap of core to core with Leon. Of course, he
knows where the screws are.
Leon says that his rebuilt units will perform better than knew. Based on all
he said and why, plus the multiple years of experience of his uncle and the
uncle's brother-in-law, I'd tend to see that as reasonable.
Leon also spoke somewhat favorably of Norcold saying they were more tolerant
of "out of level" operation.
Will mention your name in the credits when it hits the web. Jim Doc couldn't
remember where he came up with the idea. Now I know. What size type do you
want? Small, smaller or smallest? Your pick. If you were my dad you'd get
big, bigger or biggest.
Byron
Ken Henderson wrote:
> If you were my son, I'd have already bought a GMC, put a good drivetrain
> in it, replaced the headliner, installed a new refrigerator (albeit
> small 120 vac), reworked and charged the dash air, etc., etc. And then
> spent a couple of years convincing you that you need it. If that ain't
> enough, just suffer 'til I'm gone. :-)
>
> Seriously, when our X-Birch refrigerator went out because I was too slow
> exercising the Dometic recall, I contacted Erv, who then visited Leon
> for the first time to gather information for me. Before committing to a
> repair, I found a new Dometic of the same model for only $600.
> Repairing a 10 yo item for 2/3 the cost of new doesn't make a lot of
> sense, IMHO. By that time I'd already installed the 120 vac unit in the
> X-PB, with considerable custom cabinetry to make it look right.
>
> Now that Alan's got the X-PB, his family has been happy with the little
> unit. Before they start their planned trip "out West" next summer they
> may change their minds, so I'll keep the core for them. We'll argue
> then about the payment. :-)
>
> Despite my meager contribution (request to Erv for information), I'll
> take credit for initiating the refrigerator presentation. Be sure to
> mention it in the credits. :-)
>
> Ken H.
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Refrigerators [message #60729 is a reply to message #60722] |
Mon, 19 October 2009 19:38 |
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Leon didn't provide instructions as to what to do. His web site (and the
presentation) outlines what they do handle in general terms. As to the order
for removing screws, location of screws and removal of interlocking parts,
where to watch for control module, etc. that isn't provided. The
presentation is a refined product of what is on Leon's website except for a
couple of graphics. Doc did a great job of assimilating what was there as
the core material.
I, too, thought that it would have been nice to video the presentation but I
wasn't about to approach that subject. That's probably too much of a worldly
interference even for an Amish gentleman that understands balancing his two
realms of existence.
What he did was remove the interior of the refrigerator from the cabinet. He
turned it on the face of the refrig to get things to drop forward more
easily. He pulled he guts out and could easily replace the new unit and hook
it back into the system (electric or gas). He also likes to test it before
considering it 'done'.
The presentation will get posted. It may be on an internal area for members
only. I'll let you know.
Byron
Ken Henderson wrote:
> Thanks, Bob,
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> I was hoping we'd have enough information posted from the seminar for
> one to judge, before buying, whether the job is within their
> capabilities. Maybe Leon would let us post his instructions at GMCEast.com?
>
> Ken H.
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> Bob Stockholm wrote:
>> Ken,
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>> Not Dan but I would say it is a reasonable task for average GMCer to take
>> on...
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| Re: [GMCnet] GMC Refrigerators [message #60779 is a reply to message #60727] |
Tue, 20 October 2009 07:51 |
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Byron, Ken, et.al.-
There were actually three people who mentioned National RV Refrigeration
to me. Being the hardheaded old curmudgeon that I am, I was holding out
for a more performance oriented seminar that didn't develop, so I took
the hints from KenH, ErvTroyer, and finally Bob Stockholm and called
Leon. I was very pleased with the seminar but when Bob turned the
lights on I wished that I had taken my video camera to that seminar. I
had my hands full managing the slides but a video of that removal would
have been encouraging to customers.
I would also like to have a film of Dan mooching a freebee off Leon. :-D
Thanks to all of them-
Doc
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Byron Songer wrote:
> Big chuckle here. You're a real dad. Tops in my book!
>
> Now, can we make arrangements that I assume the Henderson name and get the
> other "slow to respond" guy to take mine? I come with $35,000 of my own cash
> in the GMC. You could sell the other one to the new "Songer" and make money.
> Nearly everybody would be happy.
>
> Seriously, you could do the swap of core to core with Leon. Of course, he
> knows where the screws are.
>
> Leon says that his rebuilt units will perform better than knew. Based on all
> he said and why, plus the multiple years of experience of his uncle and the
> uncle's brother-in-law, I'd tend to see that as reasonable.
>
> Leon also spoke somewhat favorably of Norcold saying they were more tolerant
> of "out of level" operation.
>
> Will mention your name in the credits when it hits the web. Jim Doc couldn't
> remember where he came up with the idea. Now I know. What size type do you
> want? Small, smaller or smallest? Your pick. If you were my dad you'd get
> big, bigger or biggest.
>
> Byron
>
> Ken Henderson wrote:
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>> If you were my son, I'd have already bought a GMC, put a good drivetrain
>> in it, replaced the headliner, installed a new refrigerator (albeit
>> small 120 vac), reworked and charged the dash air, etc., etc. And then
>> spent a couple of years convincing you that you need it. If that ain't
>> enough, just suffer 'til I'm gone. :-)
>>
>> Seriously, when our X-Birch refrigerator went out because I was too slow
>> exercising the Dometic recall, I contacted Erv, who then visited Leon
>> for the first time to gather information for me. Before committing to a
>> repair, I found a new Dometic of the same model for only $600.
>> Repairing a 10 yo item for 2/3 the cost of new doesn't make a lot of
>> sense, IMHO. By that time I'd already installed the 120 vac unit in the
>> X-PB, with considerable custom cabinetry to make it look right.
>>
>> Now that Alan's got the X-PB, his family has been happy with the little
>> unit. Before they start their planned trip "out West" next summer they
>> may change their minds, so I'll keep the core for them. We'll argue
>> then about the payment. :-)
>>
>> Despite my meager contribution (request to Erv for information), I'll
>> take credit for initiating the refrigerator presentation. Be sure to
>> mention it in the credits. :-)
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>
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