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| Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292040 is a reply to message #292038] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 06:40   |
Kingsley Coach
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Whoever you may or may not be...
..."was banned. when I asked what specific forum rule or "guideline" I had
violated, I got no answer. seems it was
on a whim due to some confusion on the email list so I think it was fixed
so that my forum posts do not goto the email list now...."
No one here is banned on a whim. Get that straight....
I hope you were banned because no one knows who in hell you are ! To say
you are from Ga when no one has ever seen you or knows your real name is a
bit of a problem for some of us here.
I'm thinking you are just an arrogant sob who refuses to conform to our
rules or way of doing things. You have no sig file telling us anything
about yourself etc., etc.
Furthermore, I suspect, unless someone has actually met you, that you are
just jerking the members around here to show yourself how smart you are....
If anyone has met you please let me know.....
Mike in NS
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On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 7:53 AM, Robert Mueller
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> Don't waste your time as no one will be able to find them.
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> If you want to contribute photos that will help other owners put them on
> the GMC Photosite. To do so you will have to register as
> per the following:
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> To upload pictures on the GMC Photo Site you will have to register first.
>
> Click here: http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/register.php
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> When you fill in your Username keep in mind that if you choose something
> unique and not your name people will have difficulty
> finding photos you upload.
>
> When I first registered I used relleumt which is my name backwards, sort
> of. I got so frustrated trying to find pictures other
> GMCer's had posted I decided to change it to Mueller R.
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> I do now worry about Interpol finding me so I am careful what photos I
> post! ;-)
>
> Once you're registered you can click on the link below and follow J
> Harpers step by step procedure which will walk you through how
> to upload photos:
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> http://www.gmcmhphotos.com/photos/showgallery.php?cat=4782
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> Regards,
> Rob M.
> The Pedantic Mechanic
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Cont.
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> (I plan to edit these to add caption info later as I have more time to)
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> http://i.imgur.com/hpIIHC8.jpg
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> http://i.imgur.com/5TEgjD1.jpg
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> http://i.imgur.com/JTrQQx6.jpg
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> http://i.imgur.com/wq71Vka.jpg
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> http://i.imgur.com/T6DXyak.jpg
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| Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292069 is a reply to message #292038] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 13:46 |
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USAussie wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 05:53Don't waste your time as no one will be able to find them.
find what? I guess my posts are still going to the email list also?
I signed up to the photosite at the same time I joined here but could never get it to work, I assume because I dont use IE? I mentioned it to bdub and may give it another try soon but I am familiar with project build threads as we do them frequently at ADVrider and other forums. they can work quite well as its allows discussion. here however, it does seem to inspire interrogative tactics for whatever reason?
hi Bob de Kruyff, thanks for the positve feedback! all to rare it seems. Im glad to be able to share here and hope to help others in some way if I can.
Im NOT a "GET OFF MY LAWN!" typa guy. I might have a message or two though. sharing is caring, wright?
thanks
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| Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292071 is a reply to message #292030] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 13:59 |
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Notavailable
You know exactly why you were banned. It served it's purpose by finally
getting your attention. Now if you'd only come out of your shroud we might
come to know you.
btw, I did fix your fake account so that it wouldn't become stuffed with
GMCnet traffic. You're welcome.
Billy Massey, always available.
On Dec 14, 2015 2:35 AM, "notavailable" wrote:
> hi everyone,
>
> would have posted a reply sooner but I was banned. when I asked what
> specific forum rule or "guideline" I had violated, I got no answer. seems
> it was
> on a whim due to some confusion on the email list so I think it was fixed
> so that my forum posts do not goto the email list now.
>
> hopefully that will be that and we can continue here.
>
> I have plenty more photos and info on the subject to share but first, I
> would like to respond to:
>
>
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 30 November 2015 15:22
>> Hope I can shed some light and not confuse this further:
>>
>> Many things changed year to year, an identification format that was used
> in 1973 may have changed in 1974 or any other year.
>>
>> First, TZE 166V902114 is NOT an odd number, it is an invalid TZE number
> as well as not a 1976 model (TZE166).
>>
>> The #902114 is the order #, can also be found at the top line of the
> service parts sticker on the glove box & other paperwork if you are
> fortunate
>> enough to have the original build sheet.
>>
>> Dave Greenburg & I tried to make sense of much GMC information, order #s
> were all over the place and with no apparent order to the #s we
>> eventually gave up. We did determine the following:
>> 1973 & 74 order #s appear as 9xxxxx
>> 1975 to 78 " " " " Sxxxxx (first 100-200 in 1975 appear as
> S5xxxx all others S0xxxx)
>>
>> 1973 or 1974?
>> The highest 1973 TZE# I have listed is #3035 with a build date of
> 11-01-73
>> The lowest 1974 TZE I have listed is #0020 " " " " " 11-12-73
>> Since the glove box sticker is missing, the only way to tell for sure is
> the frame stamping found drivers side below the "sink" window (see my
>> album for a picture).
>>
>> VIN tags on the firewall:
>> 1973 & 74 tags were rectangular, higher than wide, the screws holding
> the faux firewall tag appears to use the original holes.
>> 1975 to 78 tags were also rectangular, but wider than high. All genuine
> tags should have the numbers embossed and mounted with special rivets.
>>
>> Why the replacement tag, don't know except why would someone do
> that....... unless to deceive.
>>
>> What year? My guess is, a very late 1973
>> My reason, just because ;^)
>> Bill
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> thanks for those details, very interesting. however, I must very
> respectfully ask, what proof you have that this TZE number is "invalid"?
>
> I no doubt have proof that it is an odd number but you have made abold
> claim here, you may even be correct (where were you when I posted questions
> before aquiring it? ;) and as of now, the lawful title holder of this
> coach I feel I must point out that without proof of claim, it is only a mans
> assumption/belief and not a verifiable fact at all. just sayin'
>
> heres more on the numbers and dates:
>
> these have been enhanced to make the numbers easier to read.
> http://i.imgur.com/cxKJowJ.jpg
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> this one has also been flipped upsidedown
> http://i.imgur.com/hPXE5y6.jpg
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> another shot of the V.I.N. plate
> http://i.imgur.com/qDDLUtK.jpg
> see the seventh post (by emerystora)in this thread
> http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=263407&rid=4679#msg_263407
> for one
> confirmation that this type of plate was/is O.E.M.
>
> here is a shot of the back of the bath:
> http://i.imgur.com/o2i63RA.jpg
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> the rest of these I will add captions to later as I have time.
> http://i.imgur.com/6qdvRkI.jpg
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> http://i.imgur.com/y5R2xJu.jpg
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> http://i.imgur.com/ErKwl8t.jpg
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> http://i.imgur.com/EohPEP6.jpg
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> this one shows another date marking on the underside of the bath floor:
> http://i.imgur.com/82qhMES.jpg
> that would have been right near this time: "GMC Motor Home assembly
> operations were shut down in early December 1973, the official reason was
> stated
> as "to bring inventories in line with retail sales." What started out at
> the beginning of the year as a great opportunity in a new market that at the
> time appeared almost limitless, suddenly had come to a screeching halt.
> The gasoline shortage had begun to seriously affect the RV industry."
> quoted
> from: http://www.gmcmi.com/basic-history/
>
> http://i.imgur.com/Rqty0n2.jpg
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> more on the way.
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| Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292074 is a reply to message #292069] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 15:06 |
Kingsley Coach
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Mr Notavailable
How is your game of hide and seek going with us??
You might not be as smart as you think...the Forum is an extension of the
Email.....
I could check with John and ask what you supplied for info in the registry
and I could ask Billy what he has for info on you...but I Will NOT do that.
It's none of my business! I would expect you to be a man and stop jerking
us around, however!
Who exactly are you ? You take what information you can get from us but
don't have the decency to tell us who you are and where you live...you Sir
are a Donkey with a circular vacancy !!
I'd be more than happy to back off and apologize after someone can say they
have met you and that you do in fact have a GMC coach of your own!
Mike in NS
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On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 3:46 PM, notavailable wrote:
> USAussie wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 05:53
>> Don't waste your time as no one will be able to find them.
>
>
> find what? I guess my posts are still going to the email list also?
>
> I signed up to the photosite at the same time I joined here but could
> never get it to work, I assume because I dont use IE? I mentioned it to
> bdub and
> may give it another try soon but I am familiar with project build threads
> as we do them frequently at ADVrider and other forums. they can work quite
> well as its allows discussion. here however, it does seem to inspire
> interrogative tactics for whatever reason?
>
>
>
> hi Bob de Kruyff, thanks for the positve feedback! all to rare it seems.
> Im glad to be able to share here and hope to help others in some way if I
> can.
>
>
> Im NOT a "GET OFF MY LAWN!" typa guy. I might have a message or two
> though. sharing is caring, wright?
>
> thanks
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292080 is a reply to message #292074] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 16:10 |
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Just a small question:
What is the difference between someone named Joan Watson calling herself
notavailable compared to calling herself Jim Beam?!
Yes, it is a courtesy to others on the list/forum to give out a full
name, as the forum/list is different that regular Internet forum/lists.
But is it really such a big deal not giving out that information in
beginning.
Maybe I've missed something, but I do not see a problem in it.
Just my 0.02€
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| Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292081 is a reply to message #292030] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25 |
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1gmcmh,
I will try to address your questions, I have underlined and used bold print to differentiate them from the original.
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hi everyone,
would have posted a reply sooner but I was banned. when I asked what specific forum rule or "guideline" I had violated, I got no answer. seems it was on a whim due to some confusion on the email list so I think it was fixed so that my forum posts do not goto the email list now.
hopefully that will be that and we can continue here.
I have plenty more photos and info on the subject to share but first, I would like to respond to:
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 30 November 2015 15:22
Hope I can shed some light and not confuse this further:
Many things changed year to year, an identification format that was used in 1973 may have changed in 1974 or any other year.
First, TZE 166V902114 is NOT an odd number, it is an invalid TZE number as well as not a 1976 model (TZE166).
The #902114 is the order #, can also be found at the top line of the service parts sticker on the glove box & other paperwork if you are fortunate enough to have the original build sheet.
Dave Greenburg & I tried to make sense of much GMC information, order #s were all over the place and with no apparent order to the #s we eventually gave up. We did determine the following:
1973 & 74 order #s appear as 9xxxxx
1975 to 78 " " " " Sxxxxx (first 100-200 in 1975 appear as S5xxxx all others S0xxxx)
1973 or 1974?
The highest 1973 TZE# I have listed is #3035 with a build date of 11-01-73
The lowest 1974 TZE I have listed is #0020 " " " " " 11-12-73
Since the glove box sticker is missing, the only way to tell for sure is the frame stamping found drivers side below the "sink" window (see my album for a picture).
VIN tags on the firewall:
1973 & 74 tags were rectangular, higher than wide, the screws holding the faux firewall tag appears to use the original holes.
1975 to 78 tags were also rectangular, but wider than high. All genuine tags should have the numbers embossed and mounted with special rivets.
Why the replacement tag, don't know except why would someone do that....... unless to deceive.
What year? My guess is, a very late 1973
My reason, just because ;^)
Bill
thanks for those details, very interesting. however I must very respectfully ask, what proof you have that this TZE number is "invalid"?
I no doubt have proof that it is an odd number but you have made abold claim here, you may even be correct (where were you when I posted questions before aquiring it? Wink and as of now, the lawful title holder of this coach I feel I must point out that without proof of claim, it is only a mans assumption/belief and not a verifiable fact at all. just sayin'
[b]
1- Sorry I missed your previous post before acquiring your coach, I do not view the net as frequently as I did in earlier years. FYI, I have been a GMCMH owner for 30 years and have written a few articles on GMCMH history. I hope you will accept that as possibly knowing a few details about GMCs.
2-The "bold claim" I made about your invalid TZE166V902114 is quite easy to explain, in fact you are the one that provided the proof. The side tag EMBOSSED with the number 902114 is a genuine GMCMH ORDER NUMBER and was never used as a valid TZE# (yes, I used the word "never". The TZE numbers started each model year at, "V100000" & continued in numerical sequence to the last coach produced that model year, then reset to V100000 for the start of the next year.
3- The TZE tag on the front of the firewall is blatantly bogus as follows:
a- The tag identifies your coach as (166) a 26' coach 1976 model year. With all of the photos YOU show, I do not see a single feature that indicates a 1976, I pointed out a number of them in my previous post.
b- The GVW indicated on the TZE tag was proper for later 1973 & 1974s. The GVW was increased twice for later years.
c- All the information on the tag Federally requires it be embossed.
d- Also required are the special rivets, Phillips screws are incorrect.
e- Size/shape of your tag was used for 1973 & 74 only, later GMCs used a different shape/size.
heres more on the numbers and dates:
these have been enhanced to make the numbers easier to read.
http://i.imgur.com/cxKJowJ.jpg
this one has also been flipped upsidedown. obviously, they were not trying to "hide" anything, else it would have been ground off instead of canceled out.
http://i.imgur.com/hPXE5y6.jpg
It certainly is nice to have so many numbers to work with, unfortunately none of them match, that does matter you know :^(
I have assumed the T4Vxxxx number is probably an original, not sure of the last #, appears to me as T4V100324?
The other # appears to be T3V103036
Interesting as we have a pretty early 1974 (324)vs a very late 1973 (3036).
another shot of the V.I.N. plate. also obvious it has been there a long time, screw heads are same type as found all over and the plastic is warped from heat.
http://i.imgur.com/qDDLUtK.jpg
see the seventh post (by emerystora)in this thread http://gmc.mybirdfeeder.net/GMCforum/index.php?t=msg&goto=263407&rid=4679#msg_263407 for one confirmation that this type of plate was/is O.E.M.
Sorry Emery, this tag is bogus for the reasons stated above. In fact with all the red flags including a restamped frame, I have never before seen such a collection of misinformation on one coach.
I stand by my original comment, "why all the bogus numbers except to deceive"
Should you have further questions I would be happy to try and answer them.
Bill
here is a shot of the back of the bath:
http://i.imgur.com/o2i63RA.jpg
the dash was spray painted black at some point but underneath that, it is army green. it appears to have been installed from the factory before the windshields were becasue there are some screws holding it in that can not be removed without removing the windshields. they need to be replaced aswell so the plan now is to wait until Im ready to paint it, remove them, paint it, then replace the windshields & gaskets then the dash.
Bill Bryant
PO 1976~PB (owned 34 years)
1914 Ford (owned 70 years)
1965 Corvette (owned 39 years)
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| Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292088 is a reply to message #292071] |
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Billy Massey wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 13:59Notavailable
You know exactly why you were banned. It served it's purpose by finally
getting your attention. Now if you'd only come out of your shroud we might
come to know you.
btw, I did fix your fake account so that it wouldn't become stuffed with
GMCnet traffic. You're welcome.
Billy Massey, always available.
>>You know exactly why you were banned.<<
let me point out that my questions pertaining to exactly what forum rule or "guideline" I violated were ignored and unanswered as were my question where it is written/stated that one must "comply" to other members "suggestions" or answer all questions asked by other members.
>>It served it's purpose by finally
getting your attention.<<
perhaps there is a more polite way to interact with new members?
>>Now if you'd only come out of your shroud we might
come to know you.<<
one on one, man to man? shouldnt hurt to ask. group think/hive mind.. no, but thanks for asking on behalf of the hive I guess. LOL I did try to point out that it is not written or stated in the forum rules or "guidelines" that I clicked on the agree to button about that one "must" provide a name or even what name. so tell me, whats the rush anyway?
besides that, what is your/y'all's definition of "know"? is a name or word the thing to actually know or is it only a representation of that thing? seems to me, some people here are not interested in "knowing" a man but only a man's name. is that right?
>>btw, I did fix your fake account so that it wouldn't become stuffed with
GMCnet traffic.<<
fake account? LOL if you say so I guess.
>>You're welcome.<<
then why does it not seem that way?
I suggest that the standard procedure of welcoming new members here be reconsidered.. that, or the rules/guidelines be amended to be more specific as to what is required and expected of new members.
who is truly disrespecting who here? if I have caused another man a harm, loss, or injury then I am more than willing to compensate that man for that wrong and I ask for his forgiveness.
is there any man here who claims I do wrong? if not, can we please show some respect for our fellow man and stop this nonsense?
if not, Im sure I'll be fine.. just thought this was a good place to share with others who have the same interests, maybe even bring something new to the table here. I might have been incorrect though. I guess we shall see?
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| Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292100 is a reply to message #292088] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 19:32 |
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1gmcmh wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 17:11...I suggest that the standard procedure of welcoming new members here be reconsidered.. that, or the rules/guidelines be amended to be more specific as to what is required and expected of new members.
who is truly disrespecting who here? if I have caused another man a harm, loss, or injury then I am more than willing to compensate that man for that wrong and I ask for his forgiveness.
is there any man here who claims I do wrong? if not, can we please show some respect for our fellow man and stop this nonsense?
if not, Im sure I'll be fine.. just thought this was a good place to share with others who have the same interests, maybe even bring something new to the table here. I might have been incorrect though. I guess we shall see? I read your posts and reread them, and I have to say I have no idea why you are/were being persecuted here.
Hang in there and keep posting. I am enjoying your progress. And try to use the photo site. All I can say is submitting is a bit quirky, you have to wait for the picture(s) to finish uploading before you hit the "Upload/Submit" button. Then at the next screen, you have to click on the "Process" button
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| Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292103 is a reply to message #292088] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 20:30 |
GMC.LES
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> On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:11 PM, notavailable wrote:
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> perhaps there is a more polite way to interact with new members?
Mr. notavailable,
It appears to me that the polite way to introduce yourself is by stating who you are, where you reside, and a brief description of why you wish to participate in this forum.
IMHO, by using "notavailable" as a user ID, and not signing the end of your messages with a name, you appear to have a hidden motive behind your presence here. With that first impression, I and many others may feel hesitant to fully engage in any communications with you. The majority of members here are gentlemen and are quite old-fashioned. They believe in open communications with someone that possesses a first name.
At this point we don't know if you are a guy, a gal, or an extraterrestrial. Do you honestly think that your going to get the best assistance with an approach like that?
You have have been otherwise polite and clear in your communications. Your posts are of considerable interest to many here, so I doubt there are many that want to se you leave. I think a bit more info on who you are will put all of this to rest for most of us.
Les Burt
Montreal
'75 Eleganza 26'
The EWIP (Eternal Work In Progress)
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| Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292109 is a reply to message #292103] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 21:30 |
Ken Henderson
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>> On Dec 14, 2015, at 6:11 PM, notavailable wrote:
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>> perhaps there is a more polite way to interact with new members?
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> WhomEverYouMayBe,
I've been here on the GMCNet since shortly after its beginning in 1998.
Never before, in my recollection, have we been accused of being less than
gracious in our greetings to and acceptance of anyone, including some
pretty boorish folks. So you might want to read back over the thread and
see where things have gone awry with your reception.
Now, if we can put all that behind us, let me greet you as a fellow
Georgian: I've got a '76 X-Birchaven, bought the last day of April 1998.
I've done a LOT to it over the years, leaving it now with modernized front
and rear suspensions and brakes, and a fuel injected 500 ci Cadillac
engine. I've driven that coach about as far as one can on paved roads in
the USA, from Key West, FL to north of Fairbanks, AK. I've been a member
of GMCMI, GMC Dixielanders, GMC Sunshine Statesmen, and GMC Eastern States
from most of those years. I have learned a little about GMC's and GMCers
during those years. They are, almost without exception, the finest folks
one could hope to meet anywhere. We're glad to have you join us.
There are experienced GMCers scattered widely in GA. If we knew where
you're located, I'm sure some one of those would be glad to get together
with you and help you decipher the mysteries about your coach -- and they
ARE mysteries. Even Bill Bryant, who unquestionably knows more about GMC
history than anyone else outside of the original GMC development team (and
probably even most of those who still survive) would probably need to lay
eyes on the actual coach to make a valid appraisal of what you actually
have -- the clues are many and subtle.
Let's put all the antagonism and conflict behind us and act like the "good
old boys" we really are.
Ken Henderson
Americus, GA
'76 X-Birchaven w/Cad500/Howell EFI & EBL,
Manny Brakes & 1-Ton, etc., etc.
www.gmcwipersetc.com
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76 X-Birchaven
76 X-Palm Beach
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| Re: TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292111 is a reply to message #292081] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 22:24 |
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bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
Sorry I missed your previous post before acquiring your coach, I do not view the net as frequently as I did in earlier years.
no need for apology, a member had mentioned you when I first joined and asked so Im glad you have posted this time around.
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
FYI, I have been a GMCMH owner for 30 years and have written a few articles on GMCMH history. I hope you will accept that as possibly knowing a few details about GMCs.
I admit that was it not for you collecting and freely sharing your information on the net, I probably wouldnt have made the decision to take on such a huge project. your enthusiasm (as well as others here of course) for these machines may be contagious?
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25The "bold claim" I made about your invalid TZE166V902114 is quite easy to explain, in fact you are the one that provided the proof.
Ive only presented evidence that *seems* to support your claim.
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
The side tag EMBOSSED with the number 902114 is a genuine GMCMH ORDER NUMBER and was never used as a valid TZE# (yes, I used the word "never".
you just did it again, made another claim. LOL would you agree that the burden of proof lies on the claimant? unfourtunately, Im not so easily swayed, I question everything (as all men should, they owe it to themselves first and foremost IMO)
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
The TZE numbers started each model year at, "V100000" & continued in numerical sequence to the last coach produced that model year, then reset to V100000 for the start of the next year.
that seems to make sense but can there be no exceptions?
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
The TZE tag on the front of the firewall is blatantly bogus as follows:
tsk tsk 
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
The tag identifies your coach as (166) a 26' coach 1976 model year. With all of the photos YOU show, I do not see a single feature that indicates a 1976, I pointed out a number of them in my previous post.
I havent found anything that suggest this coach is a 1976 model either.
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25The GVW indicated on the TZE tag was proper for later 1973 & 1974s. The GVW was increased twice for later years.
then that seems to add up.
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
All the information on the tag Federally requires it be embossed.
the way that reads doesnt technically make sense but I think I get what you are writing. do you or anyone reading know of the actual MV code you are hinting at, that would be some pretty tough evidence to overcome (but nothing is impossible)
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25 Also required are the special rivets, Phillips screws are incorrect.
is this also according to a specific code, if so where can it be obtained and does it actually apply to this motorhome?
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25 Size/shape of your tag was used for 1973 & 74 only, later GMCs used a different shape/size.
seems reasonable.
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
It certainly is nice to have so many numbers to work with, unfortunately none of them match, that does matter you know :^(
I dont know anything LOL but Ive asked you to prove so much already lets agree to forget that. what would we ever do without numbers?
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
I have assumed the T4Vxxxx number is probably an original, not sure of the last #, appears to me as T4V100324?
The other # appears to be T3V103036
Interesting as we have a pretty early 1974 (324)vs a very late 1973 (3036).
yes, this is interesting as it seems to show this coach was actually right in the middle of the shut down, no? would you agree that this could explain at least some of the odd numbers? (this shut down) one number indicates just prior to and the other just after. I think this might could lead to some interesting new chapters for the GMC history books. seems to me also to lend itself to a reasonable doubt that this TZE number is NOT invalid but possibly an anomaly that made it out just before or after a chaotic time frame in the GMC MH timeline.
if you had not been influenced by the prior somewhat interrogative tact by some members here and could look at this with fresh eyes to consider. do you think it is possible beyond the shadow of ANY doubt that this coach may have made it out at that time with these numbers as they are found?
bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
Sorry Emery, this tag is bogus for the reasons stated above. In fact with all the red flags including a restamped frame, I have never before seen such a collection of misinformation on one coach.
IMO I think the other posters conduct has contributed to these so called red flags you "see" I dont see them, I see possible mistakes, disruption in supplies, tools, the timeframe was also during the most major holidays and who knows what else that could have contributed to such an odd numbered coach.
I realize that with a vested interest and now sweat equity also in this coach that I could easily be swayed into thinking this so I wont make that a claim, only that I think it cant be ruled out. Id like you to consider this also and see where it may lead.
youve indicated that the cancelled out number would be the very last of the 73's that you have ever seen, I think, is that right?
but the actual number that is not canceled out, where would that put it datewise in the timeline?
also I have nothing to compare these stampings to, how does a "normal" coach frame stampings look? is there two there with one inverted to the other, is only one there?
I cant thank those of you here enough who can think for yourselves on all of these things and who chime in with whatever in some type of helpful manor. you guys are what this supposed to be all about.
there is no question that I am not an average joe and this coach is not an average coach but hopefully Ive posted enough info for most here to see that thats all this is. a little more diferentness LOL than usual but no ill intent or bad will.
maybe there are others too? wow, this post was a chore, i sure hope it was worth it. those undelined and bolded replys did not show up in the reply box, only as HTML code so I had to work on that one. have no ide how the it will show on the emails LOL hopefully not add more flames to that fire.
anyway thanks all of you, even the initial instigator LOL!
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| Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292114 is a reply to message #292111] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 23:16 |
James Hupy
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What's your point?. If you just want to stir crap to see if it stinks, you
have succeeded. Now it would be my Christmas wish that you stop wasting
bandwidth with this subject.
Jim Hupy
Salem, Or.
78 GMC ROYALE 403
On Dec 14, 2015 8:25 PM, "notavailable" wrote:
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> Sorry I missed your previous post before acquiring your coach, I do not
> view the net as frequently as I did in earlier years.
>
>
> no need for apology, a member had mentioned you when I first joined and
> asked so Im glad you have posted this time around.
>
>
>
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> FYI, I have been a GMCMH owner for 30 years and have written a few
> articles on GMCMH history. I hope you will accept that as possibly knowing a
>> few details about GMCs.
>
>
> I admit that was it not for you collecting and freely sharing your
> information on the net, I probably wouldnt have made the decision to take
> on such a
> huge project. your enthusiasm (as well as others here of course) for these
> machines may be contagious?
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> The "bold claim" I made about your invalid TZE166V902114 is quite easy
> to explain, in fact you are the one that provided the proof.
>
>
> Ive only presented evidence that *seems* to support your claim.
>
>
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> The side tag EMBOSSED with the number 902114 is a genuine GMCMH ORDER
> NUMBER and was never used as a valid TZE# (yes, I used the word "never".
>
>
> you just did it again, made another claim. LOL would you agree that the
> burden of proof lies on the claimant? unfourtunately, Im not so easily
> swayed,
> I question everything (as all men should, they owe it to themselves first
> and foremost IMO)
>
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> The TZE numbers started each model year at, "V100000" & continued in
> numerical sequence to the last coach produced that model year, then reset to
>> V100000 for the start of the next year.
>
>
> that seems to make sense but can there be no exceptions?
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> The TZE tag on the front of the firewall is blatantly bogus as follows:
>
>
> tsk tsk ;)
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> The tag identifies your coach as (166) a 26' coach 1976 model year. With
> all of the photos YOU show, I do not see a single feature that indicates
>> a 1976, I pointed out a number of them in my previous post.
>
> I havent found anything that suggest this coach is a 1976 model either.
>
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> The GVW indicated on the TZE tag was proper for later 1973 & 1974s. The
> GVW was increased twice for later years.
>
> then that seems to add up.
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> All the information on the tag Federally requires it be embossed.
>
>
> the way that reads doesnt technically make sense but I think I get what
> you are writing. do you or anyone reading know of the actual MV code you are
> hinting at, that would be some pretty tough evidence to overcome (but
> nothing is impossible)
>
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> Also required are the special rivets, Phillips screws are incorrect.
>
> is this also according to a specific code, if so where can it be obtained
> and does it actually apply to this motorhome?
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> Size/shape of your tag was used for 1973 & 74 only, later GMCs used a
> different shape/size.
> seems reasonable.
>
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> It certainly is nice to have so many numbers to work with, unfortunately
> none of them match, that does matter you know :^(
>
> I dont know anything LOL but Ive asked you to prove so much already lets
> agree to forget that. what would we ever do without numbers? ;)
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> I have assumed the T4Vxxxx number is probably an original, not sure of
> the last #, appears to me as T4V100324?
>> The other # appears to be T3V103036
>> Interesting as we have a pretty early 1974 (324)vs a very late 1973
> (3036).
>
>
> yes, this is interesting as it seems to show this coach was actually right
> in the middle of the shut down, no? would you agree that this could explain
> at least some of the odd numbers? (this shut down) one number indicates
> just prior to and the other just after. I think this might could lead to
> some
> interesting new chapters for the GMC history books. seems to me also to
> lend itself to a reasonable doubt that this TZE number is NOT invalid but
> possibly an anomaly that made it out just before or after a chaotic time
> frame in the GMC MH timeline.
>
> if you had not been influenced by the prior somewhat interrogative tact by
> some members here and could look at this with fresh eyes to consider. do
> you think it is possible beyond the shadow of ANY doubt that this coach
> may have made it out at that time with these numbers as they are found?
>
>
> bryant374 wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 16:25
>> Sorry Emery, this tag is bogus for the reasons stated above. In fact
> with all the red flags including a restamped frame, I have never before seen
>> such a collection of misinformation on one coach.
>
>
>
> IMO I think the other posters conduct has contributed to these so called
> red flags you "see" I dont see them, I see possible mistakes, disruption in
> supplies, tools, the timeframe was also during the most major holidays and
> who knows what else that could have contributed to such an odd numbered
> coach.
>
> I realize that with a vested interest and now sweat equity also in this
> coach that I could easily be swayed into thinking this so I wont make that a
> claim, only that I think it cant be ruled out. Id like you to consider
> this also and see where it may lead.
>
> youve indicated that the cancelled out number would be the very last of
> the 73's that you have ever seen, I think, is that right?
>
> but the actual number that is not canceled out, where would that put it
> datewise in the timeline?
>
> also I have nothing to compare these stampings to, how does a "normal"
> coach frame stampings look? is there two there with one inverted to the
> other,
> is only one there?
>
> I cant thank those of you here enough who can think for yourselves on all
> of these things and who chime in with whatever in some type of helpful
> manor. you guys are what this supposed to be all about.
>
> there is no question that I am not an average joe and this coach is not an
> average coach but hopefully Ive posted enough info for most here to see
> that thats all this is. a little more diferentness LOL than usual but no
> ill intent or bad will.
>
> maybe there are others too? wow, this post was a chore, i sure hope it was
> worth it. those undelined and bolded replys did not show up in the reply
> box, only as HTML code so I had to work on that one. have no ide how the
> it will show on the emails LOL hopefully not add more flames to that fire.
>
> anyway thanks all of you, even the initial instigator LOL!
>
>
>
>
>
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| Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292115 is a reply to message #292100] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 23:29 |
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A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 19:32I read your posts and reread them, and I have to say I have no idea why you are/were being persecuted here.
hey man! I have an idea, and expressing it would be helpful on a higher level but near certain to make things worse on the lower. it has to do with... ah! nevermind LOL
A Hamilto wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 19:32
Hang in there and keep posting. I am enjoying your progress. And try to use the photo site. All I can say is submitting is a bit quirky, you have to wait for the picture(s) to finish uploading before you hit the "Upload/Submit" button. Then at the next screen, you have to click on the "Process" button
thats reason enough right there. I can relate to your post here too because I love viewing/reading build threads.
and that is probably why I couldnt get the photos site working, great advice there!hopefully it works.
thanks
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| Re: [GMCnet] TZE166V902114 the odd number project. [message #292120 is a reply to message #292102] |
Mon, 14 December 2015 23:41 |
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BobDunahugh wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 20:26 Because our GMC that we loved so much burned in Nebraska.
genuinely sorry to read that.
BobDunahugh wrote on Mon, 14 December 2015 20:26 As to me. I think that something like that is VERY DISRESPECTFUL to some of the kindest people that I have ever had the HONOR of meeting. I DO NOT mean to be disrespectful to anyone. It's just a humble thought.Bob Dunahugh
and I mean no disrespect when I say that I feel the opposite, that asking a man for private info in a public venue is "VERY DISRESPECTFUL"
I do feel the same about my thoughts as you do yours, however opposite they may be in that I mean no disrespect by it either.
so if we feel disrespected, was that indeed the intention of another or was it only our own perception? or maybe a bit of both sometimes too.
thanks
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